Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ahill1]

Vegeta: 5
Piccolo: 2
Piccolo with Gohan and Krillin ki: 6

I don't think Piccolo(with gohan and kuririn ki) is stronger than Vegeta; at most he's stronger than Freeza(3rd form). Either way how Piccolo tripled his power?

[ahill1]

Where do you guys have:

Gotenks(pre rosat)
~base
~Super Saiyajin

Gotenks(post rosat)
~base
~Super Saiyajin
~Super Saiyajin 3

[Darkron2151]

Where do you guys have:

Gotenks(pre rosat)
~base
~Super Saiyajin

Gotenks(post rosat)
~base
~Super Saiyajin
~Super Saiyajin 3

If Gotenks' power is a consistent boost when the boys fuse, the gainz would probably stem off of the boys' power increase. But IMO, I don't see the boys getting huge gainz from their time in the ROSAT, considering the only noticeable fruit from their training was perfecting fusion and acquiring Super Saiyan 3.

[manwolf]

Vegeta: 5
Piccolo: 2
Piccolo with Gohan and Krillin ki: 6

I don't think Piccolo(with gohan and kuririn ki) is stronger than Vegeta; at most he's stronger than Freeza(3rd form). Either way how Piccolo tripled his power?

Cause he gives Freeza a little more combat that Vegeta, but maybe he are equal to Vegeta and only have the surprise effect with him.

[Mattias_]

Well, this is my atempt from the Toyou Taro manga:

Son Gokū 孫 悟空: 785,000
Son Goten 孫 悟天: 116,200
Mr. Satán ミスター・サタン: 7

KibitoShin 東の界王神: 52,000,000

Son Gokū 孫 悟空: 314,000,000 (Super Saiyan 3)

Son Gohan 孫 悟飯: less than 330,000,000
Majin Bu 魔人ブウ: 300,000,000
Gotenks ゴテンクス: over 324,000,000 (Super Saiyan 3)
Vegeta ベジータ: 756,000
Vegeta ベジータ: much much much over than 75,600,000. (MSSJ 2 Max. Power)

Beerus ビルス: around 1,200,000,000
Whis ウイス: over 1,200,000,000

[ZombieVito]

Where do you guys have:

Until someone states the SSJ multiplier is different for fusions this are my numbers:

Gotenks(pre rosat)
~base: 150,000,000
~Super Saiyajin: 7,500,000,000

Gotenks(post rosat)
~base: 180,000,000
~Super Saiyajin: 9,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3: 72,000,000,000

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Where do you guys have:

Gotenks(pre rosat)
~base
~Super Saiyajin

Gotenks(post rosat)
~base
~Super Saiyajin
~Super Saiyajin 3

Gotenks(pre rosat)
~base - 1
~Super Saiyajin - 50

Gotenks(post rosat)
~base - 72
~Super Saiyajin - 360
~Super Saiyajin 3 - 360 x 8 (too lazy to get my phone)

[Darkron2151]

Just out of curiosity, how much of a power boost would you guys give:

• SSJ after Goku reverts back to Base in BOG when Super Saiyan God times out?
  
  SSGSS from "Saiyan Beyond God" Base?
  
  Freeza's Golden Form from his "100%"?

[ZombieVito]

Just out of curiosity, how much of a power boost would you guys give:

• SSJ after Goku reverts back to Base in BOG when Super Saiyan God times out?
  
  SSGSS from "Saiyan Beyond God" Base?
  
  Freeza's Golden Form from his "100%"?

a) x2
b) x2.5
c) x6.66

[Doctor.]

Just out of curiosity, how much of a power boost would you guys give:

• SSJ after Goku reverts back to Base in BOG when Super Saiyan God times out?
  
  SSGSS from "Saiyan Beyond God" Base?
  
  Freeza's Golden Form from his "100%"?

- 9x from his powered-up base form.
- 10x from his powered-up base form.
- 50x, seems like his equivalent of Super Saiyan.

[ahill1]

I have something like this:

Goku SSJ2 120,000,000,000
Goku SSJ3 480,000,000,000

Gotenks(pré rosat)
~base 144,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 576,000,000,000

Gotenks(pós rosat)
~base 1,440,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 72,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3 576,000,000,000,000

Gotenks SSJ3 is 1,200x stronger than Goku SSJ3.

[ZombieVito]

Don't you think that is... A little or rather extremely ridiculous?

[ahill1]

Why? I'm starting to thinking Gotenks SSJ(pre rosat) is way stronger than Goku SSJ3.

Krillin showed confidence that Gotenks base could defeat Fat Buu even after have seen Majin Vegeta SSJ2 be defeated; then Gotenks base (pre rosat) >> Majin Vegeta SSJ2 / Goku SSJ2.

SSJ - 50x base
SSJ3 - 4x SSJ2

Then Gotenks SSJ (pre rosat) >>>>>>> Goku SSJ3

Goku SSJ2 1
Goku SSJ3 4

Gotenks base (pre rosat) 1.2
Gotenks SSJ (pre rosat) 60


my actual numbers:

Majin Vegeta SSJ2 120,000,000,000

Goku SSJ2 120,000,000,000
Goku SSJ3 480,000,000,000

Gotenks(pre rosat)
~base 144,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 7,200,000,000,000

Gotenks(post rosat)
~base 20,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 1,000,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3 8,000,000,000,000,000


Gotenks SSJ3 is about 17,000x stronger than Goku SSJ3.

[Doctor.]

How did you increase it from 1,200x to 17,000x in such a short amount of time? lol. That seems so incredibly arbitrary.

[ahill1]

How did you increase it from 1,200x to 17,000x in such a short amount of time? lol. That seems so incredibly arbitrary.

Because Gotenks base must be stronger than Majin Vegeta SSJ2, then Gotenks SSJ must be way stronger than Goku SSJ3.

Gotenks base(post rosat) >>> Gotenks SSJ(pre rosat) >>>> Goku SSJ3 >> Gotenks base(pre rosat) >> Majin Vegeta SSJ2/Goku SSJ2

[Polyphase Avatron]

Why does base Gotenks have to be > SSJ2 Majin Vegeta? It's implied he did a lot less against Buu, and only thought he could take him on in base form due to overconfidence.

[ZombieVito]

How did you increase it from 1,200x to 17,000x in such a short amount of time? lol. That seems so incredibly arbitrary.

Because Gotenks base must be stronger than Majin Vegeta SSJ2, then Gotenks SSJ must be way stronger than Goku SSJ3.

Gotenks base(post rosat) >>> Gotenks SSJ(pre rosat) >>>> Goku SSJ3 >> Gotenks base(pre rosat) >> Majin Vegeta SSJ2/Goku SSJ2

I don't think so. D7 confirmed Majin Vegeta > Gotenks [pre rosat].

[RandomGuy96]

Just out of curiosity, how much of a power boost would you guys give:

• SSJ after Goku reverts back to Base in BOG when Super Saiyan God times out?
  
  SSGSS from "Saiyan Beyond God" Base?
  
  Freeza's Golden Form from his "100%"?

A. x1.05. There was no huge change in his performance.
B. x50. The number itself is just personal preference, but I'm 100% sure that the gap between the two forms is very large. A heavily weakened Golden Freeza laughs at the mere idea that a fresh base Vegeta can do anything to him, even though Freeza at this point was too weak to even budge a worn-out SSGSS Goku.
C. x70. Took Freeza from "a good deal weaker than base Goku" to "slightly stronger than SSGSS Goku".

[ahill1]

Kaboom, just a doubt: Why you have in your list SSJ Kid Trunks and SSJ Goten > Gotenks base? Gotenks base is at least stronger than the Kids in Super Saiyan, don't you think?

[Kaboom]

Kaboom, just a doubt: Why you have in your list SSJ Kid Trunks and SSJ Goten > Gotenks base? Gotenks base is at least stronger than the Kids in Super Saiyan, don't you think?

No, why would he have to be?