"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ssjjanemba]

It would be cool if DBS has a war, just like Naruto and one piece.

[JulieYBM]

It would be cool if DBS has a war, just like Naruto and one piece.

Dragon Ball doesn't have a history of writing strong enough to even begin a 'war arc', let alone sustain one. Besides, what would be the subject? Dragon Ball is always about ignoring consequences.

[Doctor.]

The Freeza arc is as close as you'll get to a war arc. Dragon Ball can't have a war arc simply due to how ridiculous the power of characters are in comparison to others, not to mention that a war arc usually is very long, so the quality will most likely decrease as it drags on as it did with Naruto and One Piece.

[fexus]

It would be cool if DBS has a war, just like Naruto and one piece.

Dragon Ball doesn't have a history of writing strong enough to even begin a 'war arc', let alone sustain one. Besides, what would be the subject? Dragon Ball is always about ignoring consequences.

Neither does Naruto and One piece but they still have it. Thinking that Naruto or One piece has a stronger writing is just ridiculous.

[VegettoEX]

Neither does Naruto and One piece but they still have it. Thinking that Naruto or One piece has a stronger writing is just ridiculous.

Let's try not to be so dismissive, please?

I truly believe One Piece has stronger writing in many areas than Dragon Ball does - world creation being the biggest aspect.

[Captain Space]

It's more a question of the cast and setting not lending themselves to a 'war'. Naruto exists in a world full of ninja, One Piece in a world full of pirates, marines, Devil Fruit users etc.

While it's not exactly short on martial artists, Dragon Ball as it is now, and indeed as it has been since, say, the King Piccolo arc, has quite a small number of characters who would be able to be competitive in such a battle. The only way you'd be able to have an 'army' on the heroes' side would be either to find ways to buff up nearly every character to relevance and completely break suspension of disbelief, or to introduce so many new allies at once that it would just be off-putting.

So the closest you'll probably get is the same smallish group of heroes we currently have taking on a vast army of enemies...and hey, that exact thing just happened, in Resurrection F.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

We can get a "War arc" in the form of Resurrection "F", the Z-Senshi vs countless weak soldiers.

[JulieYBM]

That's less of a 'war' and more of a 'battle'. Even then what makes a 'war' storyline so interesting is the character development, not just the cool fighting. A 'war' arc wouldn't fit Dragon Ball because Dragon Ball doesn't have grounded characters with worries that reflect our own. The characters are for the most part a bunch of self-centered assholes, too. Mind you, that inhuman quality to them is what makes them so interesting, but it also restricts the kinds of stories one can tell with them. The Fourth Great Shinobi War worked in Naruto because the characters weren't all assholes who enjoyed battle and didn't really care about others, it worked because their were stakes and the battle came about as a result of the story, character and thematic progression up until then. War had created the shinobi world but never quite given it a lasting peace, hence the very reason the Akatsuki wound up being formed. What sort of resolution would a 'war' storyline bring to Dragon Ball, especially when one of its hallmarks is never indulging in actual meaningful storylines?

[fexus]

Neither does Naruto and One piece but they still have it. Thinking that Naruto or One piece has a stronger writing is just ridiculous.

Let's try not to be so dismissive, please?

I truly believe One Piece has stronger writing in many areas than Dragon Ball does - world creation being the biggest aspect.

Am I being dismissive? I really don't care so much because people have different opinions but when being told that Dragon Ball can't have a war arc because it doesn't have a strong enough writing to instigate or even continue a war like One piece and Naruto is just utterly ridiculous. Both of those series to me doesn't have better or stronger writing than Dragon Ball does. The writing are just on the same level.

[Chuquita]

I see them as different styles of writing for a younger audience that focus of different aspects (what's each author's strength? That's what's relied and focused on.). I'm not sure Toriyama is a fan of world building. He sticks to mostly similar to Earth. I don't recall traveling to far off new lands in Dr. Slump all that much either.

This of course makes me wonder what will become of the other eleven universes, and it makes the "same, but with this swapped, or all these are opposite now" idea of Champa and Lady Whis being counterparts hold a bit more water, imo.

[fadeddreams5]

A "War Saga" can very, very easily exist in Dragon Ball. I think I can write an entire outline. Just a matter of executing it perfectly, which was the concern of that other user. Hard to expect Toriyama to write a more serious (Saiyan-Cell saga tone and mood) story nowadays. =P

[JulieYBM]

Toriyama wouldn't have written a 'war' storyline even in the 1990s. He doesn't have it in him, it's why he doesn't give the story consequences or illustrate any points.

The only way we'll ever get a 'war' storyline in an official Dragon Ball work is if a director or writer with an actual, concrete vision is brought onto the project and Toriyama has no involvement.

[soulnova]

It would be cool if DBS has a war, just like Naruto and one piece.

Dragon Ball doesn't have a history of writing strong enough to even begin a 'war arc', let alone sustain one. Besides, what would be the subject? Dragon Ball is always about ignoring consequences.

Neither does Naruto and One piece but they still have it. Thinking that Naruto or One piece has a stronger writing is just ridiculous.

I can't comment on One Piece, but I can with Naruto. *sigh*

Spoiler:

I would have to say that... technically, yes. For all the criticism we give Kishimoto, he DID had an endgame in mind and wrote the manga accordingly. The main problem was that he wanted to cram a lot character background before the end and it just dragged horribly -for years-. The freaking War Arc lasted 3 years... flashback after flashback after flashback. *sigh* Naruto is heavy in character development (which sometimes just doesn't work).

In DB's case, there are only a few times when events of the past come to bite them but then are promptly forgotten and never mentioned again. King Piccoro almost conquered the world twice... but the only thing we got from that was a small story of Mutaito. Hell, after the Saiyan Attack we never see the world taking measures about that. Nappa blew up East City and they didn't restore it with the Dragon Balls. I would be loosing my shit. The anime tried to touch on that with Yajirobe giving and interview ... and I guess the other only thing in the manga was Nappa's pod blowing up in TV.

Life goes on normally without a change in how the world works after that. I would have started questioning who these people were, where they are and ask them what the hell is going on. Damn, if we are still going to get alien invasions they could at least give the world a heads up or, you know, TRAIN MORE PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT. But no. Things go back to normal and no one gives it a second thought. Goku and Vegeta just want to get stronger. The rest of the cast wants a normal life with no revolutionary vision of how the world should be.



Naruto did the exact opposite of that. The whole story is a long chain of events of people taking (sometimes horrible) measures to ensure the survival of their people/loved ones, and a struggle for power to change the world to their liking.

[Chuquita]

Re: no Toriyama involvement?
So like the original dark version of BOG where the tainted(?) cast physically and verbally abuse Gokû and he has to go off to think things through?

[VegettoEX]

Am I being dismissive? I really don't care so much because people have different opinions but when being told that Dragon Ball can't have a war arc because it doesn't have a strong enough writing to instigate or even continue a war like One piece and Naruto is just utterly ridiculous. Both of those series to me doesn't have better or stronger writing than Dragon Ball does. The writing are just on the same level.

You seem to be. I've explained a specific area in which I feel One Piece has stronger writing than Dragon Ball, and rather than engage in a conversation about it, you simply say that it doesn't and that's it and it's ridiculous.

OK, well, I don't know what else to say to you and it doesn't seem like you actually want a conversation. That's fine, but - heads up here - please then don't go on to repeat yourself if other people beyond me want to converse about it, as well, and provide these types of specific examples.

[FortuneSSJ]

Already saw Naruto and One Piece wars.
I take Z Fighters vs Nappa and Vegeta. Less characters but both sides falling, there's no bystanders, doesn't drag on and keeps me entertained until the end.

Naruto war become boring after a while and characters like Tenten, Chouji, Ino, etc...surviving despiste how weak they are was nothing good.
One piece did a much better job and Oda planned things better. But the time Luffy took to reach Ace was absurd and I eventually start lose interest. Still enjoyed it overall.

But a war of this size in Dragon Ball?! No. That's not what I'm looking for in Super.

And if we're talking about good writting, HunterxHunter tops One Piece. But I respect Oda more, because Togashi needs take hiatus to come up with something awesome.

[TheGmGoken]

I wouldn't mind a war episode but not a whole arc. I think Toriyama can handle that. A war episode can be used toto introduce a new character or villain. Can still be gag like since it's not a full blown arc. Maybe in the war somehow the character is transported to Universe 7 somehow. Being hunted across his universe and they found out he's in U7.

Bam! New characters and arc using elements of war but not a full blown war arc.

The Fourth Great Shinobi War worked in Naruto

Worked as it made sense, writing,, or execution?

[JulieYBM]

There was only one major piece of flashback work in the Fourth Great Shinobi War arc. The rest was just interludes in the battles because Kishimoto wound up stuck in the position of having to settle everything in a single day. Otherwise the actual story content is good, especially as the folklore aspects of the series begin to resurface.

A project that sticks too closely to Toriyama's sort of storylines will never be able to do that. Toriyama likes to gloss over a lot of details so nobody--mostly himself--has to think too hard. Dragon Ball is dumb fluff written by a perverse, poisonous old man. That's its charm, but also its greatest restriction.

[mogi67]

DB already had a war

Goku vs RR army

[Lord Beerus]

A "War Saga" can very, very easily exist in Dragon Ball. I think I can write an entire outline. Just a matter of executing it perfectly, which was the concern of that other user. Hard to expect Toriyama to write a more serious (Saiyan-Cell saga tone and mood) story nowadays. =P

What about Resurrection F? That was pretty dark given the context of the story. I mean, Earth did get destroyed for only the third time ever in the franchise.