Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Bets on what would happen. These are a few odds I made up. Not really betting on money, just creating chances/odds.
1-1 Goku saves the day
1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-1 Krillin saves the day.
1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-1 Yamcha saves the day
10-1 Gohan use his Ultimate Potential
8-3 Gogeta happens.
7-2 Goku damages Bils on the first encounter
Also next post makes 300pgs
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I want to hear a cover of the Gino Padilla version of "Cha-La Head Cha-La".
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
That would be interesting. I don't think we can tell exactly the odds of something happening but I would bet on the following:
There will be Goku and Vegeta fanservice.
The movie ends with a Vegeta's one liner complaining of something.
Videl does something useful.
Birusu is the responsible for Pilaf Gang as kids.
what numbers would you give it.
I give a 2-1 on Vegeta one liner at the end, 11-1 on Videl doing something useful, 1-1 On Bils making the Pilaf gang kids, and 6-1 on the fanservice (it's only low because people will always find a way)
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
The sheer amount of fansevice in OPZ makes me relatively hopeful that there will be fanservice with Goku and Vegeta.
I feel like I still don't know enough about the plot itself to make any bets. There's been lots of news about the movie lately, but not that much about the plot itself.
Chuquita wrote:The sheer amount of fansevice in OPZ makes me relatively hopeful that there will be fanservice with Goku and Vegeta.
I feel like I still don't know enough about the plot itself to make any bets. There's been lots of news about the movie lately, but not that much about the plot itself.
*Hopes there will be plot news this month.*
Fanservice-fanservice Chu, or just fanservice?
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olympia wrote:
21:28 why are we still talking about the emails
21:29 who gives a fuck
21:29 shut the fuck up trunks
21:29 * mean trump
Chuquita wrote:The sheer amount of fansevice in OPZ makes me relatively hopeful that there will be fanservice with Goku and Vegeta.
I feel like I still don't know enough about the plot itself to make any bets. There's been lots of news about the movie lately, but not that much about the plot itself.
*Hopes there will be plot news this month.*
Fanservice-fanservice Chu, or just fanservice?
Both. :3
This is the first big dbz movie since the 10th anniversary special; why not go all out?
Between the battles showcased and that surprise hot-springs scene, Toei proved they can do it with OPZ, no reason why not with BOG.
Plus if it's got a similar running time, they've got a much bigger format than the old DB movies had room to play with. That extra time counts.
EDIT: Also! Anyone in or near Japan planning to pick up Weekly Jump 10 on Monday to find out what the BOG news within is about?
CashmanX wrote:
Fanservice-fanservice Chu, or just fanservice?
Both. :3
This is the first big dbz movie since the 10th anniversary special; why not go all out?
Between the battles showcased and that surprise hot-springs scene, Toei proved they can do it with OPZ, no reason why not with BOG.
Plus if it's got a similar running time, they've got a much bigger format than the old DB movies had room to play with. That extra time counts.
I think I already know the answer to this question, but will this movie be shot on film or digitally?
The Dragonboxes are like a middle aged woman who still looks good through simply taking good care of her skin and body with maybe a tiny bit of makeup while the Orange Bricks are like a middle aged woman who get's 50 tons of botox, makeup and plastic surgery in order to look younger and as a result looks even worse. ~ ringworm128 Still recording Toonami broadcasts on VHS after all these years! #1 Paikuhan fan!
samuraix123 wrote:I think I already know the answer to this question, but will this movie be shot on film or digitally?
Digital. I don't think anyone still shoots animation on film.
Thanks, I was thinking that but I wasn't sure. around here there was a theater that still played movies on film until some rich dude bought it and made it digital.
The Dragonboxes are like a middle aged woman who still looks good through simply taking good care of her skin and body with maybe a tiny bit of makeup while the Orange Bricks are like a middle aged woman who get's 50 tons of botox, makeup and plastic surgery in order to look younger and as a result looks even worse. ~ ringworm128 Still recording Toonami broadcasts on VHS after all these years! #1 Paikuhan fan!
That show still uses cells? O_O That's some dedication, and after reading the wiki article on what Sazae-san is about, it's also kind of ironic that it's this show that has stayed with the old methods for animation.
Posting from the 2ch thread about an early WJ 10 purchase:
If this is all that's in there, I'm super-disappointed. T_T
WJ 10's BOG contents are nothing more than news on non-plot-revealing merch stuff about those pen-point balls and DBH according to the above quote.
They'll eventually have to wet the whistles of those who're hungering for new information about the actual plot of the movie though, right?
Was it really this way for OPZ too, and I just don't recall it because I wasn't as hyped for that movie as I am for this one? I thought I'd followed along with OPZ's coverage pretty well too.
Look at it this way, the less they reveal, the more people they're gonna end up selling tickets to. Man, everything's changed so much. If this movie was coming out in the early '90s, we'd be getting an hour-long special that spoils half the film.
On a side note, I'm pretty sure that we're not gonna find out anything substantial about Uisu till Julian or Kei17 actually attends a screening of the film.
Something I'm curious about is how long they've spent working on this movie, because just over half a year doesn't really seem that long; although I have no idea on how long it takes to produce a typical Anime film. I wonder if it's possible that they've been working on this film since 2009.
I'm going to kindly ask kei and SaiyaJedi not to spoil the plots here after they saw the movie. I certainly don't want to know the plots until after it gets released in U.S.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I'm going to kindly ask kei and SaiyaJedi not to spoil the plots here after they saw the movie. I certainly don't want to know the plots until after it gets released in U.S.
Yeah, you might aswell avoid the forum entirely if you don't want to be spoiled.
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olympia wrote:
21:28 why are we still talking about the emails
21:29 who gives a fuck
21:29 shut the fuck up trunks
21:29 * mean trump
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I'm going to kindly ask kei and SaiyaJedi not to spoil the plots here after they saw the movie. I certainly don't want to know the plots until after it gets released in U.S.
Or you could not look. It's not hard to mark where spoilers are, even if there's not a spoiler tag on this board.
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:I'm going to kindly ask kei and SaiyaJedi not to spoil the plots here after they saw the movie. I certainly don't want to know the plots until after it gets released in U.S.
Even though I would love to have the plot spoiled for me, I'm sure once the movie is out someone will start an official BOG spoiler thread.
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