Censorship in Kai: How Do You Feel About It?

[Mosaic]

Well, standards are obviously going to be different after 20 years. That's why I think the people saying that these changes are unnecessary are being a little silly. I don't think Toei would just censor things for fun.

Yeah, well Gash Bell didn't air too long ago. And that was on a morning slot. And that had some serious kiddie penis action.

I mean, we're not missing out on anything but it still sucks. I expect an American company like 4Kids to edit shit, not Toei.

[DemonRin]

WHY do people care about little Boy Penis?!?!?! WHY?!?!

I mean, I seriously didn't know that Little Boybits were that Special something that made Dragon Ball Great, That's good to know.

And don't compare Toei to 4kids... PLEASE don't...

Toei: Bare minimum of Edits to get it on Japanese TV, Raditz still had a mouth full of Blood, Everone's names are correct

4kids: If 4kids had gotten DBZ... Son's Name would be "Greg", Piccolo would be "Patrick" and he'd have a thick Irish accent, and Raditz' name would be "Roger", because Kids can't handle Japanese names.
There would be ZERO Blood, and Radtiz and Son wouldn't have been hit with the beam at all. Instead, Patrick (remember, his name got changed) would point his fingers at Roger (No blast coming out) and Say "I'm gonna send you to a Dungeon!!"

[Kaboom]

I agree with Rin, I think this is getting blown a bit out of proportion. Some of the edits are a bit annoying, at worst. But they're not crippling the show...

[Ramoro-san]

I don't think Toei would just censor things for fun.

Yea, I don't think they would. But I would! I used to censor things for fun... I used to get pictures off the internet and cover up the blood on them. I don't know why I just thought it was so much fun. Iam dead serious...

Haha, that's actually some pretty good work. Ya know, for editing. You made Vegeta look so purdy.

[Adamant]

Toei: Bare minimum of Edits to get it on Japanese TV

That's just the thing, the edits are FAR more than "the bare minimum", as evidence by One Piece, which airs back-to-back with Kai and gets away with the exact same stuff Z had before Toei came a-editing.

[DemonRin]

Toei: Bare minimum of Edits to get it on Japanese TV

That's just the thing, the edits are FAR more than "the bare minimum", as evidence by One Piece, which airs back-to-back with Kai and gets away with the exact same stuff Z had before Toei came a-editing.

I've never seen a Big Gaping hole in anyone in One Piece who wasn't a Devil Fruit user and healed it instantly, and I've never seen a BLEEDING Gaping hole. Ever

Don't bring up the edited Blood either, they aren't removing Blood. Raditz had plenty in his mouth. They only removed the blood from the Gaping hole because OBVIOUSLY, if it's not a Gaping hole anymore but a Burn, then there wouldn't BE any blood.

[Rod]

4kids: If 4kids had gotten DBZ... Son's Name would be "Greg", Piccolo would be "Patrick" and he'd have a thick Irish accent, and Raditz' name would be "Roger", because Kids can't handle Japanese names.
There would be ZERO Blood, and Radtiz and Son wouldn't have been hit with the beam at all. Instead, Patrick (remember, his name got changed) would point his fingers at Roger (No blast coming out) and Say "I'm gonna send you to a Dungeon!!"

Suddenly the big hole in his chest not being there doesn't seem so bad

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

WHY do people care about little Boy Penis?!?!?! WHY?!?!

Why are you so eager to get rid of boy penis? Or rather, why are you so eager to fanatically defend all things Kai?

I mean, I seriously didn't know that Little Boybits were that Special something that made Dragon Ball Great, That's good to know.

Hair doesn't make Dragonball great. Shave everybody's heads. It would be pointless, of course, just like this censorship.

And don't compare Toei to 4kids... PLEASE don't...

Don't worry. I'll compare it to Saban. Far more reasonable, considering Toei seems to have borrowed some of the Saban edits wholesale right from the first US airing.

Toei: Bare minimum of Edits to get it on Japanese TV, Raditz still had a mouth full of Blood, Everone's names are correct

Saban:
-All names are correct
-Changed the original music
-Edited Gohan's tears.
-Edited blood
-Removed the gaping hole
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material

Toei:
-All names are correct
-Changed original music
-Edited Gohan's tears
-Edited Blood
-Removed the gaping hole
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis.
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material
-Pretty colors
-New theme songs

4kids: If 4kids had gotten DBZ... Son's Name would be "Greg", Piccolo would be "Patrick" and he'd have a thick Irish accent, and Raditz' name would be "Roger", because Kids can't handle Japanese names.
There would be ZERO Blood, and Radtiz and Son wouldn't have been hit with the beam at all. Instead, Patrick (remember, his name got changed) would point his fingers at Roger (No blast coming out) and Say "I'm gonna send you to a Dungeon!!"

It's a good thing, then, that we're talking about Saban and not 4kids. And when we use the appropriate analogy, we come up with eerie similarities. It's a matter of degree, nothing more, and that degree is getting smaller and smaller per episode.

[ShinRogafuken]

This video is all about our feelings on DB Kai Censorship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHsEsKS_m3s

[Puto]

Saban:
-All names are correct
-Changed the original music
-Edited Gohan's tears.
-Edited blood
-Removed the gaping hole
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material

You forgot "Turned death into another dimension". And not all names are correct, e.g. "Tien".

[The Time Traveller]

4kids: If 4kids had gotten DBZ... Son's Name would be "Greg", Piccolo would be "Patrick" and he'd have a thick Irish accent, and Raditz' name would be "Roger", because Kids can't handle Japanese names.
There would be ZERO Blood, and Radtiz and Son wouldn't have been hit with the beam at all. Instead, Patrick (remember, his name got changed) would point his fingers at Roger (No blast coming out) and Say "I'm gonna send you to a Dungeon!!"

This sounds like a fun fan project...

Also, the Kame symbol on the Gi would be replaced with a Star or probably just have it a blank white symbol. I don't think they'd change names like Goku, Piccolo and Raditz, they don't sound very Japanese really, well, maybe Goku...

[Bussani]

Well, standards are obviously going to be different after 20 years. That's why I think the people saying that these changes are unnecessary are being a little silly. I don't think Toei would just censor things for fun.

Personally, I think the standards changing is unnecessary, rather than the censoring. But what are you gonna do?

WHY do people care about little Boy Penis?!?!?! WHY?!?!

Jeez, calm down. It's the principle of it. It's the, 'why do you feel the need to censor it?' Baby nudity is offensive now? I'd better go hide those naked baby pictures of myself my Mom has, or she might get arrested or something. I used to run around naked as a kid myself!

I don't particularly care about the penis not being there, but the fact that they need to go out of their way to cover it does seem silly to me.

[NeptuneKai]

Saban:
-All names are correct
-Changed the original music
-Edited Gohan's tears.
-Edited blood
-Removed the gaping hole
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material

Toei:
-All names are correct
-Changed original music
-Edited Gohan's tears
-Edited Blood
-Removed the gaping hole
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis.
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material
-Pretty colors
-New theme songs

Hey Saban gave us a new theme song! Rock the Dragon anyone?

[Mosaic]

WHY do people care about little Boy Penis?!?!?! WHY?!?!

I don't, but censorship is censorship. Censorship sucks. It just boogles me why Toei has to censor stuff ALL of a sudden. Besides, it makes me worried what else might be edited.

Will Freeza still be sliced in a million pieces, or just be covered in bruises?

[Rod]

WHY do people care about little Boy Penis?!?!?! WHY?!?!

I don't, but censorship is censorship. Censorship sucks. It just boogles me why Toei has to censor stuff ALL of a sudden. Besides, it makes me worried what else might be edited.

Will Freeza still be sliced in a million pieces, or just be covered in bruises?

It's possible he's just going to be turned into dust by Trunks instead of being sliced and turned into dust, but that would suck

[Velasa]

I loathe smoking. Absolutely loathe it- the smell of it makes me sick. I don't think much of drinking either- I've never touched the stuff and never intend to. I want nothing to do with either of those crappy things.

But you know what? Some characters just smoke, or drink. It's part of their personality and it's purely a matter of IC vs OOC. And OOC is bad. This is what pisses me off about censoring little things like this.

On matter of the nudity, it doesn't annoy me as much as the rest of the content changes. Though it looks.. ridiculous when they castrate everyone.

As for the violence... damn, that's just part of the show. I don't really care about removing blood in excess. but changing the nature of what happens ("Tis merely a flesh wound") just isn't right and it doesn't make sense. How are they going to explain the severity of something you should be feeling when the visuals are gutted?

[DemonRin]

WHY do people care about little Boy Penis?!?!?! WHY?!?!

Why are you so eager to get rid of boy penis? Or rather, why are you so eager to fanatically defend all things Kai?

Because some of us are reasonable, and realize that Japanese TV standards have CHANGED! Baby Penis and Gaping holes obviously DON'T FLY anymore!!

I mean, I seriously didn't know that Little Boybits were that Special something that made Dragon Ball Great, That's good to know.

Hair doesn't make Dragonball great. Shave everybody's heads. It would be pointless, of course, just like this censorship.

It's little Boy Penis.

And don't compare Toei to 4kids... PLEASE don't...

Don't worry. I'll compare it to Saban. Far more reasonable, considering Toei seems to have borrowed some of the Saban edits wholesale right from the first US airing.

Toei: Bare minimum of Edits to get it on Japanese TV, Raditz still had a mouth full of Blood, Everone's names are correct

*Incomplete Lists made purposely to Make Kai look worse go Here*

yeah, those lists were TERRIBLE!! you Purposefully left things out of The Saban side to make it look better. Here's a more accurate List:

Saban:
-Several names were changed or Altered. The Son family lose their Surname, Roshi is only ever referred to as Roshi, the "Kamesen'nin" name is omitted entirely. Tenshinhan's name is changed to Ti-en (Later Retconed to "Ti-en Shinhan") Makankosappou mistranslated as "Special Beam Cannon". Karin changed to Ko-rin.
-Changed the original music to a bland synthesizer soundtrack
-Edited Gohan's tears.
-Completely Removed ALL instances of blood.
-Completely Removed Any mention of Death, Characters "went to the next Dimension"
-Removed the gaping hole
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material, It was mostly filler however.
-New Opening/Ending Theme "Rock The Dragon"
-HFIL
-Horrible Script Edits that make no sense, such as "Your Father was a BRILLIANT SCIENTIST"
-The Edits that were Present were usually sloppily done. Bushes meant to cover nude Gohan would move constantly, etc.
-Uncut DVD never offered under Saban/Pioneer's tenure with the rights.

Toei:
-All names are correct
-Changed original music to an orchestral Score
-Fully Stereo Audio Mix for the first time Ever
-Edited Gohan's tears
-Removed the gaping hole
-Edited Blood, but only the blood that directly relates to the Gaping Hole. So far, the rest of the Major Blood is present.
-Covered up Goku and Gohan penis.
-Censored Gyumao's cig
-Removed original story material, however it's mostly Filler, and this version of the show was advertised as having this done to it.
-Pretty colors
-New theme songs
-Advertising the series under a New name to distance it from the Original.
-Released the Entire Original Z series on DVD entirely uncut before beginning Kai.

MUCH more Accurate List. The things I changed are Bolded.
There is NO WAY Toei is as bad as Saban, absolutely no way possible.

It's a good thing, then, that we're talking about Saban and not 4kids. And when we use the appropriate analogy, we come up with eerie similarities. It's a matter of degree, nothing more, and that degree is getting smaller and smaller per episode.

The post directly Above mine compared Toei to 4kids, that's who I was talking to. Don't call me out on things I had good reason to say.

Also, I just saw a Video that was making some OK points until I heard them say "That Looks like a Budokai Cutscene!" and I was like "Whoa Whoa Whoa HOLD ON!! There are OBVIOUSLY Black outlines there, It's not 3D by a longshot, how the HELL does that look like a Budokai Cutscene?!" You can not like it, but that's just ridiculous. And they end the video saying "If you could Tell Toei something about Kai, what would you say?" and It's pretty much "DONT CENSOR ANYTHING!!" I'm just sitting here thinking that Toei would then respond "Well, Ok then, Dragon Ball Kai is off the air. Sorry, Fuji says if we leave gaping holes and Boy Penis in, we can't show it, so yeah, 5 Episodes was a pretty good Run!! Off the Air now Guys"

It's like, when people go on their Anti-Censorship rants about Kai, NOBODY is willing to concede that the Edits were probably NECESSARY TO GET THE SHOW ON TV!!
People just LOVE to forget that Japan's Standards have changed.

And honestly people, so far we've gotten Violence censorship on ONE PARTICULAR INJURY! The Blood in Raditz' mouth shows this. It's not Blood or Gore that's bad, it's BIG GAPING HOLE!! Wait till we get more. If they start cutting huge amounts of blood from the fight with Nappa and Vegeta, then OK I'll concede, but people need to take a step back and realize that statistically, one time doesn't make a trend.

[Son Sebbe]

I don't think Toei would just censor things for fun.

Yea, I don't think they would. But I would! I used to censor things for fun... I used to get pictures off the internet and cover up the blood on them. I don't know why I just thought it was so much fun. Iam dead serious...

UR HOBBY SUX MINS BÆTER.

[B]

yeah, those lists were TERRIBLE!! you Purposefully left things out of The Saban side to make it look better. Here's a more accurate List:

Saban:
-Several names were changed or Altered. The Son family lose their Surname, Roshi is only ever referred to as Roshi, the "Kamesen'nin" name is omitted entirely. Tenshinhan's name is changed to Ti-en (Later Retconed to "Ti-en Shinhan") Makankosappou mistranslated as "Special Beam Cannon". Karin changed to Ko-rin.

Kame Sen'nin isn't omitted. It's translated as Turtle Hermit.

-HFIL

Wait, THAT wasn't necessary to get DBZ on American TV? in a morning slot?

-Changed original music to an orchestral Score

While I liek the score, that doesn't automatically make it good because it's orchestral and "ORCASTRALL GOZ WIT DRAGIN BALLZ OLOLOL."

There is NO WAY Toei is as bad as Saban, absolutely no way possible.

Probably worse, because a handful of their anime is plagued with filler or bad animation, or is a just a shitty show. Saban doesn't do THAT because they don't make anime.

[Kendamu]

-Changed original music to an orchestral Score

While I liek the score, that doesn't automatically make it good because it's orchestral and "ORCASTRALL GOZ WIT DRAGIN BALLZ OLOLOL."

Actually, I deeply associate Dragonball with orchestra of both the dramatic and lighthearted adventurous types.