If funimation had the dragon boxes dubbed only would you...

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:29 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Yeah, but doesn't it use the same Crappy Script as FUNi?

I mean, the same script that had "Cat Loves Food, Yeah Yeah Yeah!"... THAT script?
You could actually say it's worse, since FUNimation went back and fixed a ton of mess-ups like "Bardock is a BRILLIANT scientist", the "Next Dimension", "The Cargo Robot" and other little cheesy jokes here and there.

Still inaccurate, but not as much so.

Which one is the more inaccurate dub?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:40 pm

Well the Ocean dub never went back to fix anything, so that would be the more inaccurate. And to be honest, the later Ocean dubbed episodes for some reason absolutely dropped the ball and don't compare to their earlier work. The music is terrible and there is little emotion in the voices. Plus all new characters (like Trunks) sound pretty bad. I was a huge fan of the first two "seasons" that they did, but Youtubing their later stuff is just...terrible.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:44 pm

DemonRin wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
DemonRin wrote:Yeah, but doesn't it use the same Crappy Script as FUNi?

I mean, the same script that had "Cat Loves Food, Yeah Yeah Yeah!"... THAT script?
You could actually say it's worse, since FUNimation went back and fixed a ton of mess-ups like "Bardock is a BRILLIANT scientist", the "Next Dimension", "The Cargo Robot" and other little cheesy jokes here and there.

Still inaccurate, but not as much so.
Which one is the more inaccurate dub?

The Ocean dub.

Although Ocean's movie 3 dub is more accurate than FUNimation's.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:49 pm

Absolutely not, because I could never support this kind of archaic release in this day and age. I do own the dub-only Pioneer dvds of the beginning of the series, but that's entirely because I got the complete collection for $32, I'm a massive Scott McNeil fangirl, and my tapes of this era are only so complete. Mainly it was the $32.

But this isn't 1999, this is now and no respectable company should ever be encouraged to put out English-only anime. Everyone but companies like 4-Kids has grown past that the same way we've grown past flopped manga, and I pray we're never forced to return to those dark times.

Lazyking · Post by **Lazyking** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:07 pm

I would, but the simple fact is I would because I have never bought the season sets. It's weird having this new found love for dragonball and I can't wait for the dragonboxes!

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:00 pm

DemonRin wrote:Why would ANYONE buy it in that case?...

And...

Rocketman wrote:No, because I don't care enough about the Dbox' s 'quality' to pay more for its footage.
Why is the word quality in quotation marks?...

And why does everyone always fawn over the Ocean dub?

Sure some of the Voices were good (Son's Voice) but it was still only ever dubbed in Edited for TV versions. So if you bought an Ocean Dub DVD, you'd have to put up with the Music... Tenshinhan's (Sorry, in this Release he'd be Tien) "JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL IT GROWS BACK!!" and Vegeta's "Your Father was a BRILLIANT Scientist!!" ... and that's just the tip of the iceberg...

I'd say the Piioneer Dub from Movies 1-3 was the only flawless one...

Well, for me, it's not so much fawn over the Ocean dub, so much as it's the lesser of two evils.

To me, DBZ has never recieved a completely competent English dub. But between Ocean's voices and Funimation's voices, Ocean's are marginally better. Especially in the main cast of Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Gohan, and Kuririn.

They both screwed up characters like Freeza, the Ginyu Force, and Kaio.

(I refer you to my article in my sig...)

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:02 pm

I'd say that Funi's dub is far closer to competent than Ocean dub for Seasons 4-9. It had consistent voice actors, and a theme song that wasn't complete shit.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:04 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I'd say that Funi's dub is far closer to competent than Ocean dub for Seasons 4-9. It had consistent voice actors, and a theme song that wasn't complete shit.

Consistently bad voices, though. Funimation had a more accurate script for their dub, but their character voices were absolutely horrific.

But now we're getting into another topic entirely.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:07 pm

I greatly disagree with you, but to each his own. Let's just leave it at a difference of opinion.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:12 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I greatly disagree with you, but to each his own. Let's just leave it at a difference of opinion.

It's probably better to. Dub disagreements can get way out of hand.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:14 pm

penguintruth wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I'd say that Funi's dub is far closer to competent than Ocean dub for Seasons 4-9. It had consistent voice actors, and a theme song that wasn't complete shit.
Consistently bad voices, though. Funimation had a more accurate script for their dub, but their character voices were absolutely horrific.

But now we're getting into another topic entirely.

If you're going by the general Ocean cast Seasons 1 & 2 then maybe you're right, but in the case of the Pioneer releases of DBZ movies 1-3 the scripts are the most accurate any dub has been for DBZ.

I'd like to note, though, that there are two Ocean cast dubs of the third movie. One that was broken down into three episodes and had US broadcast music and then there's the movie version with the Japanese music.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:17 pm

DemonRin wrote:
Rocketman wrote:No, because I don't care enough about the Dbox' s 'quality' to pay more for its footage.
Why is the word quality in quotation marks?...

Becuase the DBZ anime is still full of horrible art, shoddy animation, and bullshit filler no matter if it's widescreen or fullscreen, bright colors or faded, English or Japanese.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:26 pm

Kendamu wrote:I'd like to note, though, that there are two Ocean cast dubs of the third movie. One that was broken down into three episodes and had US broadcast music and then there's the movie version with the Japanese music.

Huh, you know, I'd forgotten about that! I just assumed they were all done with the Kikuchi score and the same VAs.

So, does the broadcast version have Corlett or Kelamis?

It was so long ago!

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:54 pm

penguintruth wrote:Huh, you know, I'd forgotten about that! I just assumed they were all done with the Kikuchi score and the same VAs.

So, does the broadcast version have Corlett or Kelamis?

It was so long ago!

The TV broadcast version, aired during the second season, uses music from the then-TV-dub-broadcast musical score (Shuki Levy's) and features Ian Corlett as Goku. It also censors quite a bit (the magical floating bush) and has a couple minor snippets of TV episode footage (mostly of Kaio, I think) spliced in.

The VHS/LD/DVD version features Kelamis (and a couple other minor re-castings, like Kame-Sen'nin and Oolong), the original Japanese musical score, pretty faithful dialogue, etc.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:02 pm

VegettoEX wrote:The TV broadcast version, aired during the second season, uses music from the then-TV-dub-broadcast musical score (Shuki Levy's) and features Ian Corlett as Goku. It also censors quite a bit (the magical floating bush) and has a couple minor snippets of TV episode footage (mostly of Kaio, I think) spliced in.

The VHS/LD/DVD version features Kelamis (and a couple other minor re-castings, like Kame-Sen'nin and Oolong), the original Japanese musical score, pretty faithful dialogue, etc.

Ah, I didn't know that. I always assumed the TV broadcast was the same as the Pioneer DVD of movie 3.

Like I said, it's been a long time.

I do remember them splitting the movies up. Or at least one of them. Movie 3? I think you even might have mentioned that recently in a podcast.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:24 pm

VegettoEX wrote:The TV broadcast version, aired during the second season, uses music from the then-TV-dub-broadcast musical score (Shuki Levy's) and features Ian Corlett as Goku.

... Is it wrong that I want this now?

As for whomever asked why people fawn over Ocean- it's because there's a portion of us who grew up with and loved those voices. Yes, the script and the music and the editing were terrible, but I grew attached to those guys all the same. Like for myself personally, despite knowing the original and other versions Ted Cole is simply the voice of Yamcha, and Ian Corlett is the way Son Goku sounds when he's young. When new voices were suddenly shoved on us and everyone sounded like wrestlers they'd picked off the streets of Dallas, it was jarring and upsetting. And it doesn't hurt that being from Philly in the 90's I had certain issues with Dallas to begin with >_>

Ocean also worked in a number of my other absolute favorite shows (Beast Wars and Gundam Wing) and having met Scott McNeil in person I can tell you he's an awesome guy. Basically, I like that cast in general, not just their Dragonball work, and I didn't like having a new cast i didn't personally cared for shoved on me when tv was the only was I could watch the show. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and that's mine.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:42 pm

I'm more of a Kelamis guy myself. I always thought Corlett sounded a little stiff, whereas Kelamis made Goku sound light-hearted and carefree. It's too bad that he barely got a run in.

Scott McNeil, Brian Drummond, Saffron Henderson, and Terry Klassen also have places in my heart.

I loved Drummond's pointed, halting way of talking as Vegeta. He made him sound so smug.

Never cared much for either dub's versions of Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and others.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:40 pm

I always maintain that FUNi's Mr. Satan Voice (Chris Rager) is the best damn voice in the Whole Dub.

I love his Voice... Seriously, he did an amazing Job...

CashmanX · Post by **CashmanX** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:44 pm

DemonRin wrote:I always maintain that FUNi's Mr. Satan Voice (Chris Rager) is the best damn voice in the Whole Dub.

I love his Voice... Seriously, he did an amazing Job...

This.

Also, no, I wouldn't by it; It'd defeat the whole purpose of the release...

Commander_Red · Post by **Commander_Red** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:03 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Well the Ocean dub never went back to fix anything, so that would be the more inaccurate. And to be honest, the later Ocean dubbed episodes for some reason absolutely dropped the ball and don't compare to their earlier work. The music is terrible and there is little emotion in the voices. Plus all new characters (like Trunks) sound pretty bad. I was a huge fan of the first two "seasons" that they did, but Youtubing their later stuff is just...terrible.

It's interesting the difference a budget and a good voice director can make. I think I heard the music was recycled from a megaman cartoon or something.

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