Are Earth's greatest fighters orphans?

[caejones]

Chaozu loses every fight in the manga:

Even ones he's not in~!

How did Krillin snort a booger without nostrils? o_O

Through his tearducts, of course!
Which, despite being quite painful, is possible...

If full-blooded "Three Eye" people still exist out there, in the universe. I personally don't believe they do. In fact I believe they are incorporated in Earth's population just like every weird looking creature like Pilaf.

I decided to [url=http://planetseva.com/dbr-s5.htm]play with their fate/backstory[/quote] a bit. (Way-too-many-OCs-alert...)

I know it's not the same as a contradiction, but you need supporting evidence if the information given is something that fundamentally changes the character in some way. It's not that his supposed alien ancestry automatically false because it's not mentioned in the series, it just lacks basis because it's not even remotely hinted toward during the series. His favorite food is a completely different degree of information. Basic likes and dislikes are just extraneous information with no bearing on a character. A character's ancestry is a fundamental part of them and requires more than a small blurb in an after-the-fact book (and it's constant copying into other media there-after) to have legitimate factual basis.

While I generally don't care for the three-eyed tribe thing if it isn't seeing use, I would disagree that ancestry is a fundamental part of a character; actually, I kinda think that Raditz shows that ancestry means jack crap to the heroes ("Oh, I'm a tablevegeman? Oh, ok. Now gimme back my Rice-child."). It's an existential sort of thing, you know?
Although, if it downplays his achievements ("Oh, he has those powers because he's part alien" instead of "he has those powers because he's awesome"), then I guess there's a case to be made. :-/

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Why do people always say that Tenshinhan's ancestory would have been mentioned in the series if it were true? He probably doesn't even know! He wasn't sent to Earth in a space pod, he was born from human parents who had alien blood.

And Xyex, why would Vegeta or Nappa be like, "Hey, isn't that guy a Three-Eyed whatever whatever?"? Even if they recognized Tenshinhan (who, unlike the green Piccolo, looks basically like other Earthlings), it wasn't very relevant at the time.

[Godo]

Through his tearducts, of course!
Which, despite being quite painful, is possible...

This is a much more complicated matter than fans make it to be.
A booger is created in the nose.
Without a nose you have no boogers.
Without a nose and nostrils, you have no taste of smell.

Yet, Kuririn shows proof of having a sense of smell, and to be able to produce boogers.

Ergo, Kuririn is not a normal human. He must certainly stand above all laws of nature.

You cannot smell via the tearducts either. Although it could explain the boogers, it can't explain the sense of smell.

The most plausible explanation about Kuririn and the mystery regarding his anterior facial protuberance is:
- Kuririn has no nose.
- His sense of smell comes from the particles in the air/farts/vagina diamonds sticking to his tounge, giving him a sensation that could be interpreted as a smell, but it's actually taste.
- Since he cannot smell, his tastebuds have become very sensitive to taste.
- His boogers are in fact brain matter that is squeezed out through his tearducts, due to excess head trauma in the Aoalin temple.
- He doesn't know about any of this, so keep it a secret.

[Senzu_Bean]

^ Seriously?! If he doesn't have a nose/nostrils he doesn't have taste. Both are dependent of one and other.

Krillin not having a nose is a gag thing. Tenshinhan third eye, growing a pair of arms and be able to create three people like him (three eyes, three clones!) aren't gag things. Simple as that!

[Xyex]

And I don't see why it should be taken as iron clad 100% factual truth when there's nothing, anywhere that even remotely suggests the possibility aside from one blurb in one guide that, while possibly being from Toriyama, could just as easily have come from someone else who just thought it would make Tie­n "cooler" to be part alien.

Because you can't give us anything better.

Tien's a highly skilled human.

There, just gave you something better.

Yeah, there's nothing anywhere...except that one official guide...and that other official guide...and that official DVD booklet...and that video game...

I already commented on the derivative secondary sources. Freeza was given maximum power of 12,000,000 in an official video game. Derivative sources that just take information directly from somewhere else, word for word (as is the case with Tie­n's ancestry) don't suddenly make it true.

And Xyex, why would Vegeta or Nappa be like, "Hey, isn't that guy a Three-Eyed whatever whatever?"? Even if they recognized Tenshinhan (who, unlike the green Piccolo, looks basically like other Earthlings), it wasn't very relevant at the time.

Neither was Piccolo's. Until Vegeta made it relevant by bringing up the 'magic balls of Namek'. But that was a good while after we found out that Piccolo was an alien. If there was no point mentioning it in the story, why mention it in the guide book?

^ Seriously?! If he doesn't have a nose/nostrils he doesn't have taste. Both are dependent of one and other.

False. A sense of smell is not needed for taste. I know this because I have no sense of smell but I have a very powerful sense of taste in compensation for the lost sense. In fact, I can do exactly what Godo suggests Krillin does. I can taste the air. The scent has to be fairly strong most of the time but I can pick up most hair sprays and colognes (they are all quite disgusting, I assure you), skunk, natural gas, and a few others with little trouble.

EDIT: Forgot this:

Krillin not having a nose is a gag thing. Tenshinhan third eye, growing a pair of arms and be able to create three people like him (three eyes, three clones!) aren't gag things. Simple as that!

Those are techniques. Anyone could have learned them, but no one ever saw the need. The extra arms weren't of much use and mutli-form is inherently flawed.

[Godo]

Yeah, I was serious about the taste compensating smell part.
Our senses work in wonderful ways. If you become blind, as an example, your hearing will get more sensitive, and so will your sense of touch on the skin.
That's also why some blind people can "see" with their hands.

[Dayspring]

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the Three-Eyed Clan was done for pun's sake. Toriyama was making him a parody of The Three-Eyed One. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2590

The joke's like saying Tenshinhan is Sharaku's relative. Does it add to the DB story? No, but readers of Weekly Jump will get a chuckle out of it in the same way they did with Suppaman and Superman in Dr Slump.

[caejones]

Yeah, I was serious about the taste compensating smell part.
Our senses work in wonderful ways. If you become blind, as an example, your hearing will get more sensitive, and so will your sense of touch on the skin.
That's also why some blind people can "see" with their hands.

Does being able to dodge parked car mirrors count?

As for the alien ancestry thing... in both cases (Goku and Piccolo) they spawned a huge chunk of plot.
Although now I'm imagining a movie where some three-eyed alien senses Tenshinhan's suicide attack on Nappa and notices similarities to his/her/its race and comes to investigate... and... umm... stuff happens. I dunno, I'm tired.

[Savage68]

Tenshinhan's a highly skilled human.

There, just gave you something better.

No you didn't.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the three-eyed clan just seems like it came out of left field. I know it was said in the Daizenshu but it still seems kinda bullshit. You would think Ten himself or someone else would've mentioned it at least once in the series.

[Senzu_Bean]

False. A sense of smell is not needed for taste. I know this because I have no sense of smell but I have a very powerful sense of taste in compensation for the lost sense.

But don't you have nose and nostrils?

Those are techniques. Anyone could have learned them, but no one ever saw the need. The extra arms weren't of much use and mutli-form is inherently flawed.

How can this be techniques?! How can someone simple grow arms from his back? This isn't the same as transform into objects like Puar or Oolong. Those are techniques but growing extra arms are not. Or I'm going to say Oozaru is a technique and everybody can learn it too... after they learn how to make a tail.

[Xyex]

False. A sense of smell is not needed for taste. I know this because I have no sense of smell but I have a very powerful sense of taste in compensation for the lost sense.

But don't you have nose and nostrils?

Yes, but all my nose is good for is breathing and making boogers.

Those are techniques. Anyone could have learned them, but no one ever saw the need. The extra arms weren't of much use and mutli-form is inherently flawed.

How can this be techniques?! How can someone simple grow arms from his back? This isn't the same as transform into objects like Puar or Oolong. Those are techniques but growing extra arms are not. Or I'm going to say Oozaru is a technique and everybody can learn it too... after they learn how to make a tail.

First of all, shape-shifting like Puar and Oolong do is far more than just growing an extra pair of arms. Being able to completely change shape is several degrees more than growing new limbs. As for 'how can someone simply grow arms from his back'....

Well, how can someone simply make their power momentarily be 2, 5, 10, 20 times higher than normal? How can someone simply break down their body into individual atoms and instantly move them to another location anywhere in the entire universe? How can someone simply merge their body and mind with another person for a half hour? I think if fusion can be a skill that anyone can learn to do then growing arms/splitting into multiple people really isn't that odd a thing.

The anime obviously agrees with me because Krillin even uses the multi-form in some filler against Nappa.

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the Three-Eyed Clan was done for pun's sake. Toriyama was making him a parody of The Three-Eyed One. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2590

The joke's like saying Tenshinhan is Sharaku's relative. Does it add to the DB story? No, but readers of Weekly Jump will get a chuckle out of it in the same way they did with Suppaman and Superman in Dr Slump.

You know, this has me wondering something else again. I think it was mentioned previously by someone when this matter first came up, but I can't remember anymore. Is there anything in this "three-eyed tribe" stuff that says these three-eyed people were aliens? Couldn't they just be another breed of native Earthling/human like Pilaf and all of the animal people?

[Senzu_Bean]

Whatever!

I was thinking Chaozu is probably a Monster-type Earthling. I mean, he is just like Pilaf, whose true identity is unclear, and he sure looks weird like him.

[Savage68]

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the three-eyed clan just seems like it came out of left field. I know it was said in the Daizenshu but it still seems kinda bullshit. You would think Ten himself or someone else would've mentioned it at least once in the series.

...

No one knew.

[Dayspring]

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the Three-Eyed Clan was done for pun's sake. Toriyama was making him a parody of The Three-Eyed One. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2590

The joke's like saying Tenshinhan is Sharaku's relative. Does it add to the DB story? No, but readers of Weekly Jump will get a chuckle out of it in the same way they did with Suppaman and Superman in Dr Slump.

You know, this has me wondering something else again. I think it was mentioned previously by someone when this matter first came up, but I can't remember anymore. Is there anything in this "three-eyed tribe" stuff that says these three-eyed people were aliens? Couldn't they just be another breed of native Earthling/human like Pilaf and all of the animal people?

Both. The original Three Eyes are from another world, I think the original legend basing it on complete mysticism (a la Heaven and Earth). Tezu...forget his name... uses it literally for the sake of his manga, making Sharaku descended from an alien race instead of the equivalent of Buddhist Atlanteans (ie: acient, super powerful mystics who also have super advanced tech).

Keep in mind that Tenshinhan being a parody of Sharaku makes Tenshinhan 99.999~9% human. This isn't like saying Trunks is descended from an alien; it's saying Earthling-humans have assimilated the spiritual abilities of the Three Eyes. That's kind of why he's a powerful bad guy when first introduced; his eye is open, making him evil and proficient at manipulating ki.

I personally view the parody as kind of like saying Tenshinhan is Sharaku in the sense that Son Goku is Sun Wukong. So is Tenshinhan part alien? No, in the same sense that Goku isn't a monkey. But he is descended from aliens, giving him a third eye, just as Goku can transform into a giant monkey.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the three-eyed clan just seems like it came out of left field. I know it was said in the Daizenshu but it still seems kinda bullshit. You would think Ten himself or someone else would've mentioned it at least once in the series.

...

No one knew.

Exactly, that's why it's so unbelievable.

[Xyex]

Tenshinhan being a descendant of the Three-Eyed Clan was done for pun's sake. Toriyama was making him a parody of The Three-Eyed One. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2590

The joke's like saying Tenshinhan is Sharaku's relative. Does it add to the DB story? No, but readers of Weekly Jump will get a chuckle out of it in the same way they did with Suppaman and Superman in Dr Slump.

You know, this has me wondering something else again. I think it was mentioned previously by someone when this matter first came up, but I can't remember anymore. Is there anything in this "three-eyed tribe" stuff that says these three-eyed people were aliens? Couldn't they just be another breed of native Earthling/human like Pilaf and all of the animal people?

Both. The original Three Eyes are from another world, I think the original legend basing it on complete mysticism (a la Heaven and Earth). Tezu...forget his name... uses it literally for the sake of his manga, making Sharaku descended from an alien race instead of the equivalent of Buddhist Atlanteans (ie: acient, super powerful mystics who also have super advanced tech).

Keep in mind that Tenshinhan being a parody of Sharaku makes Tenshinhan 99.999~9% human. This isn't like saying Trunks is descended from an alien; it's saying Earthling-humans have assimilated the spiritual abilities of the Three Eyes. That's kind of why he's a powerful bad guy when first introduced; his eye is open, making him evil and proficient at manipulating ki.

Hmm. You know, if you take it in this vein it doesn't seem quite as WTF-y. At least to me. What's more, it implies that this "Three-eyed Tribe" did the exact same thing the Saiya-jins do in DBO. Merged in with the native human population. So, three-eyed tribe or not, Tien's still the same as everyone else, he's just woken-up his third eye.

...Which merges the alien ancestry stuff with the enlightenment stuff that his third eye originally was based on. I can dig that.

[Dayspring]

Hmm. You know, if you take it in this vein it doesn't seem quite as WTF-y. At least to me. What's more, it implies that this "Three-eyed Tribe" did the exact same thing the Saiya-jins do in DBO. Merged in with the native human population. So, three-eyed tribe or not, Tenshinhan's still the same as everyone else, he's just woken-up his third eye.

...Which merges the alien ancestry stuff with the enlightenment stuff that his third eye originally was based on. I can dig that.

Exactly:

Goku = Saiyan = Alien
4 Generations Later = Goku Jr
Goku Jr = completely human with the genetic difference that he can go SSJ and claim he's descended from Saiyans

Three-Eyed Clan = Alien
Thousands of Years Worth of Generations Later = Tenshinhan
Tenshinhan = completely human with the genetic difference of having a third eye and claim he's descended from the Three-Eyed Clan.

The aliens on Earth listed in the Daizenshuu include the ones found in other Dragonworld manga (mostly Dr Slump), 'The Three-Eyes,' Saiyans and Nameks. Meanwhile, the percentage of Earthlings is as follows:
Humans - 75%
Animals - 17%
Monsters - 7%
Hybrids - 1%

People argue that if Tenshinhan isn't Earthling-Human, then at worst he's Earthling-Monster like Pilaf is. Saying he's descended from the Three-Eyes just means he's part of the Earthling-Hybrid category. Since Gohan is the example used for hybrids, it establishes that 50% Earthling and higher makes you considered Earthling. If there were an Earthling-Alien Immigrant category that included King Nikochan, Piccolo and the Saiyans, Tenshinhan would not be part of it.

The problem isn't the Daizenshuu; it's us. We use 'human' to mean both Earthling and 'Not Alien.' The descended from the Three-Eyed Clan comment isn't to say he's an alien like Piccolo and Goku, it's to do the following three things:
1) Preserve the parody of Sharaku
2) Tell us which of the four Earthling categories he falls under.
3) Make the 1% Hybrid percentage notable (otherwise we have to assume that there are only 500 people in the world as of the 28th Budokai, as there would only be 5 Hybrids if we only factored in half-Saiyans)