Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[El Diabeetus]

Oh, really? I didn't know. Well, I'm basing this off of he anime I knew he directed. Maybe, he doesn't do well with edited anime?

I rather think: Maybe he doesn't do well with a lousy budget and a damn tight time schedule.

Hahaha, that actually makes a lot more sense, and is probably true. There you go.

"Dur, hur, the Ocean Dub is so much better, and more accurate"

... We're talking about the series, right? Because I highly doubt anyone has ever said that about the dub for the episodes o_O I mean the movies there could be an argument, but if you're talking about the eps you're pulling a fight out of nowhere. Some of us just like the actors and it keeps us attached to them even though outside the first three movies they've only been available to us in hacked-up shit.

Oh, yeah, the series. I know with the movies that is a valid argument. Not really saying that's exactly what they'd say, but, they have a huge ignorance if you don't say "The Ocean dub is the greatest, possibly more than the Japanese version". But, I don't want to start anything and besides that's usually the extreme small group of fans. Just saying, the situation I'm referring to is after the two split and Westwood continued their own dub.

I like the actors, so I'm not saying they're bad. I love the Ocean cast, I just can't stand those extremist fans. But, I have a feeling that's not actually gonna have anything to do with Kai's dub, so I'll stop talking about it now.

[linkdude20002001]

Ocean is simply an ADR studio. They do audio work, any edits, music changes, name changes, etc. are handed to them by someone else. They're a company other companies hire out to get audio work done. They don't do their own projects, or own the properties of which they dub. Which is why they don't put out DVDs. Although, if that (post Saban) dub can somehow manage to make itself up to our air-waves in Canada, there has to be some loophole in FUNimation's license that would probably allow another company to distribute sets only in Canada. I guess the problem is tracking down who actually owns that dub. I've heard Westwood Media (which I've never heard of), AB Groupe, etc it seems no one knows for sure.

Just like how Geneon dubbed the first three movies "in association with FUNimation", Westwood Media dubbed DB, DBZ, and DBGT "in association with AB Groupe". AB Groupe has the rights in Canada and most of Europe, but I don't know if that includes home distribution rights. If they do, then obviously no one else is getting it from them, and obviously AB Groupe doesn't plan on releasing it. As for Kai, though, I don't believe AB Groupe has anything to do with it yet. I haven't heard any news about them licensing Kai. So, there might be s chance this is released. I can only hope...

[TheBlackPaladin]

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck.

Is this where we make snarky comments about how he's pretty much saying "it will suck because it's going to be like our old dub, just a lot better, and that dub was so horrible simply making it "a lot better" isn't enough"? Mr. Schemmel really shouldn't talk too loudly about lack of quality of other companies' Dragonball dubs.

He has also said that he greatly respects the actors. His complaint was more so with the production values. Which, to be fair, is pretty true. Say what you will about the quality of the two dubs, but there's no question which one had the higher production values (the FUNimation dub). Their music, while not that great, was composed specifically for DBZ, whereas the Ocean dub used recycled music from Mega Man.

[Dayspring]

Regarding the whole FUNI vs Ocean on YTV:
YTV is a Canadian station. That means they have Canadian Content ("Cancon") regulations of at least 50% of their network's content needs to be made in Canada. For things like anime, you can claim part of it as Cancon if it's dubbed in Canada. So no, it won't be 100% identical to the Japanese Kai, but that's because they save money AND meet Cancon requirements by having Ocean do the VA work and musical score. Added to this, YTV dropped FUNi back in the day because of their agreement with Cartoon Network (we would have had to have waited one full year after it finished airing on CN before we could start airing a season made by FUNi, and they weren't even willing to sell it to us at the same price as they were to CN).

So if you want a DTV of the series, stick with FUNI's. Ocean's (probably) making it for Cancon reasons. So if a Canadian station wants to air Kai, they can pay a lot for FUNimation's 100% foreign content (US dub track on top of a completely Japanese show), or they can pay less for Ocean's version which would help the station meet Cancon requirements.

[Gaffer Tape]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that stupid law that dictates how much foreign-made programming is allowed in Canada. Crazy...

[Xyex]

So did I. Course, I never got around to moving there as intended, so I don't live there, so it's not surprising.

But Cancon certainly explains why Ocean would be doing its own dub again, and why they'll likely be replacing the score. And it explains Schemmel's "bad Canadian music" comment from a while back.

[mysticgoten]

Personally, today, I think they'd do great.
They dubbed Death Note PERFECTLY.

[penguintruth]

Personally, today, I think they'd do great.
They dubbed Death Note PERFECTLY.

Well, I agree that Death Note is an excellent dub, and probably Ocean's finest, but when we're talking about using replacement music, it feels like a slipperly slope back down to "Your father was a BRILLIANT SCIENTIST."

[Dayspring]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that stupid law that dictates how much foreign-made programming is allowed in Canada. Crazy...

The law itself isn't crazy so much as the loopholes in it are. The purpose of the law is to get Canadian stations to commission more Canadian shows, movies, etc. Otherwise most stations just try and pick up American shows because it's cheaper to pay them a buttload for a show they know is tested and true than to pay to make a show that might flop altogether. It's a smart law that's good for our Arts and Entertainment departments, as well as for the economy. It's just that corruption is keeping the loophole in place, which fucks everything up. I mean hell, we've got BBC shows and American sitcoms and gameshows airing on CBC! CBC is Federally funded! It should be 100% Cancon!

Personally, today, I think they'd do great.
They dubbed Death Note PERFECTLY.

Well, I agree that Death Note is an excellent dub, and probably Ocean's finest, but when we're talking about using replacement music, it feels like a slipperly slope back down to "Your father was a BRILLIANT SCIENTIST."

They're different goals, though, so while there's definitely a slope present, it's not so slippery. The minor changes probably include dialogue, just so they can claim the script as Cancon, too. Monumental changes like the ''BRILLIANT SCIENTIST'' wouldn't be there, but there could be some verbal diarrhea.

[MajinVejitaXV]

For all the shitting on Airwaves Studios job on the latter arcs of the series, let's not forget they were using FUNimation's scripts (much as they were when 'Brilliant scientists' and such were flying around).

At AnimeonDVD ages ago, someone affiliated with Ocean actually made note of how the show was dubbed. My impression, from what he was saying, was that the show was done rather rushed (which seemed to be backed up by the recycled music, lack of embellishes like vocal overdubs and reverb, lots of takes that sounded like they were only done once, etc.), so much so that they couldn't wait for studio time at Ocean to begin with. I get the feeling that, per the above regarding regulations, YTV wanted to broadcast the show and the dub was commission with a quantity-over-quality mentality so they wouldn't fall too far behind the US broadcasts.

As far as how this will carry over to Kai, Ocean has done plenty of great dubs since the International Dub of DBZ. I'm still not even convinced that there will be a Kai dub by them, but who knows. I'll laugh, unlikely as it is, if Ocean out does FUNi.

[Gaffer Tape]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that stupid law that dictates how much foreign-made programming is allowed in Canada. Crazy...

The law itself isn't crazy so much as the loopholes in it are. The purpose of the law is to get Canadian stations to commission more Canadian shows, movies, etc. Otherwise most stations just try and pick up American shows because it's cheaper to pay them a buttload for a show they know is tested and true than to pay to make a show that might flop altogether. It's a smart law that's good for our Arts and Entertainment departments, as well as for the economy. It's just that corruption is keeping the loophole in place, which fucks everything up. I mean hell, we've got BBC shows and American sitcoms and gameshows airing on CBC! CBC is Federally funded! It should be 100% Cancon!

Yeah, that does make sense, and I'm all for local arts being supported and not just relying on the lower cost of importing. Then again, I don't really believe it's the government's job to mandate things like that. Federally funded stations like CBC, I agree, could reasonably be under that law, but not privately owned stations. Then again, I'm not Canadian, so what do I know?

But that's neither here nor there. How about them thar Ocean Dub, huh?

[B]

Personally, today, I think they'd do great.
They dubbed Death Note PERFECTLY.

Stuff like Death Note or Black Lagoon aren't great examples for comparison. They were commissioned to Ocean for them to dub in a reasonable amount of time. For DBZ, they scrambled through it so they could match up with FUNi airings, and as a result, no one working on that dub was concerned about quality.

What I would like to know is how this is happening. FUNimation is paying Ocean to dub Kai in Canada? Why? Will no Canadian broadcaster air the FUNi dub? I get there's some "cancon" law, but DBZ is a deal breaker of some sort that pushes this supposed "fifty percent Canadian content" limit over the edge? This, I just don't understand.

[linkdude20002001]

You know, since Schemmel knows about this dub and has heard it's music, I can't help but think FUNi's involved with this somehow. Maybe the Ocean Productions dub will use FUNi's script, or maybe FUNi is the one who hired Ocean Productions, or maybe FUNi's going to sell Ocean dub DVDs.

[Big Boss]

I swear, if the UK ever gets Kai, it better not be the Ocean Dub.

It'll be like bad memories hearing those voices and Looney Tunes sound effects again.

[linkdude20002001]

I'd say the UK's most likely going to get the Ocean Productions dub, but don't worry Big Boss, you can still buy FUNi's DVDs.

[JulieYBM]

I think it might be similar to what we supposedly got from the Ocean-Airwaves dub, same video and scripts, but different audio all together. Who knows, maybe FUNimation will get their hands on the raw audio files sometime and do something with them.


Something that continues to mystify me about the Ocean-Airwaves dub is how it got away with absolutely no crediting of the producers. The only dub-specific credits are for the music guys. How many people does it take to write this opening theme? Seriously.


Has anyone tried reaching out to the Ocean Group actors about this? Surely some of them have fan outlets...?

[Greenman]

Something that continues to mystify me about the Ocean-Airwaves dub is how it got away with absolutely no crediting of the producers. The only dub-specific credits are for the music guys. How many people does it take to write this opening theme? Seriously.

That's really the Ocean dub theme? Did they use that for the whole Ocean dub run?

[JulieYBM]

Something that continues to mystify me about the Ocean-Airwaves dub is how it got away with absolutely no crediting of the producers. The only dub-specific credits are for the music guys. How many people does it take to write this opening theme? Seriously.

That's really the Ocean dub theme? Did they use that for the whole Ocean dub run?

For #123-291? Yup. As I understand the ending did switch video for the Majin Boo arc, however.

[verto]

I read that last post wrong. Forget this post exists.

[Greenman]

Something that continues to mystify me about the Ocean-Airwaves dub is how it got away with absolutely no crediting of the producers. The only dub-specific credits are for the music guys. How many people does it take to write this opening theme? Seriously.

That's really the Ocean dub theme? Did they use that for the whole Ocean dub run?

For #123-291? Yup. As I understand the ending did switch video for the Majin Boo arc, however.

Yikes.

I've seen a couple people mention how the Ocean dub used recycled music from Mega Man. Did that dub have any original music and did it take any music from anything else? Does anybody have any YouTube links to music from other shows that made it into the dub?