"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[ConfusedPhantom]

I'm not too crazy about Vic's version of Dragon Soul. I liked his energy a lot, but his voice cracked a lot near the end. When he reached, "We will rise again", it was very grating and flat, and it killed it for me. I liked Sean's version better, not saying that's perfect, but it was less grating for me.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Even though I have the bluray, I just gotta watch this on tv and thank god I setup a series recording.

Yea, the dubs way better than Z..once they finish kai they better go back and correct their mistakes..or just do a perfect dragonball dub^^

Personally, I'm hoping that Kai does really well on TV, and that way FUNimation can eventually come to Nicktoons and be like, "Well, um, ya know...we have this show called 'One Piece'..."

If what's going on with "Kai" is any indicator...then that means One Piece would be going right back to 4kids.

YOU IRRESPONSIBLE FOOL!!!! DON'T JYNX IT!!!!!

ELABORATION: Just kidding...kinda. Honestly, I don't mind edits in and of themselves if they get an anime on TV (especially if the uncut version is on DVD). My problem is unnecessary edits. 4Kids has a tendency to edit everything, including things that don't need editing...like rewriting the entire script and creating a new musical score.

[Gozar]

Um...It's strange. I WANTED Vic to sing Dragon Soul from the get go. But not like that. Why did he have to randomly scream words? Why did it have to be so over the top? If he sung it like he did Dan Dan it would have been perfect. That just sounded...Silly =/

[SaiyamanMS]

YOU IRRESPONSIBLE FOOL!!!! DON'T JYNX IT!!!!!

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(I believe the word you're looking for, is "jinx". )

[TheBlackPaladin]

YOU IRRESPONSIBLE FOOL!!!! DON'T JYNX IT!!!!!

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(I believe the word you're looking for, is "jinx". )

Um...heh...*sweats*...n, no...I was, I was totally making a reference to the...pokemon...

[TonyTheTiger]

God, I hope somebody releases a full version of Vic's Dragon Soul. While Sean's rendition is closer to the overall tone the song is supposed to convey, Vic's version gave me a great swell of nostalgia. It threw me back to the days of 80s and early 90s cartoons where the intro songs were all intense and shit. Reminded me most of Sonic the Hedgehog's intro theme.

And I'm officially loving the acting. Everybody stepped up their game ten fold.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Wow... uh... hm.

I just listened to Vic's rendition and it basically sounded like a hair metal version.

How can people like this better?

Also, why are you TRYING to be as inconsistent as Japan, FUNimation?! Just give us one opening, dammit!!

[penguintruth]

Wow... uh... hm.

I just listened to Vic's rendition and it basically sounded like a hair metal version.

How can people like this better?

Because it is better. Vic has some actual singing talent, whereas Sean Schemmel doesn't. Schemmel's is cringeworthy. Vic's actually got me excited for the show.

[mystic trunks]

So Schemmel's version is only on the DVDs? That makes no sense...

[Mewzard]

Wow... uh... hm.

I just listened to Vic's rendition and it basically sounded like a hair metal version.

How can people like this better?

Because it is better. Vic has some actual singing talent, whereas Sean Schemmel doesn't. Schemmel's is cringeworthy. Vic's actually got me excited for the show.

Except Sean Schemmel has plenty of singing talent, and the only cringeworthy one was Vic Mignogna's version. I usually like Vic's singing. OP, GT, he's done some good singing. This? This isn't his A game. Perhaps he was misdirected, which is possible. I love the man's work, but it sounded like he had an off day...or they literally were sandpapering his throat at random points in the song *which would explain a lot about the odder moments of it*.

[penguintruth]

Wow... uh... hm.

I just listened to Vic's rendition and it basically sounded like a hair metal version.

How can people like this better?

Because it is better. Vic has some actual singing talent, whereas Sean Schemmel doesn't. Schemmel's is cringeworthy. Vic's actually got me excited for the show.

Except Sean Schemmel has plenty of singing talent, and the only cringeworthy one was Vic Mignogna's version. I usually like Vic's singing. OP, GT, he's done some good singing. This? This isn't his A game. Perhaps he was misdirected, which is possible. I love the man's work, but it sounded like he had an off day...or they literally were sandpapering his throat at random points in the song *which would explain a lot about the odder moments of it*.

Sounded to me like Vic was really giving it his all, whereas Sean Schemmel sounded like an out-of-tune karaoke singer whose friends have convinced him he has some talent because he can impress a crowd of soused losers on a Friday evening. If he has any singing talent, it certainly doesn't show in his version of "Dragon Soul". It's painful.

[dragondyle]

Here is my review of the first two episodes of Z Kai on Nicktoons. I link to it because it is pretty lengthy. So if anyone is interested, you guys can read it there on my blog.

But there is something from the review I wanted to point out that I didn't see anyone else mention.

"Something weird I did notice, Roshi's subtle dirty joke. Goku was showing everyone that Gohan is his son and after everyone was done being shocked, Roshi says "Wow, Goku. I didn't know you had it in you" and then chuckles. I was actually surprised this made it passed censors for the show, but was happy to see they have Roshi be more perverted, as that is closer to his true character, but it was so subtle."

[VegettoEX]

Cue Mean-Mike here.

I don't know what planet any of you live on, but both versions are pretty bad. They each consistently miss the timing when coming in on what is the first "Dokkan Dokkan..." part, which sounds horribly amateurish. Maybe that has more to do with the producer than the performer, but it reflects poorly on all of them. I feel nothing from either performance, and they each sound like they're struggling to reach certain ranges. Like I said on the most recent podcast, the opening sounds just barely serviceable, much like the dubbed DBGT songs were ("Yep, that's the song.")

Not that the original version from Tanimoto is some classical piece of awesomeness -- I never said it was -- since he leaves quite a bit to be desired, as well.

[SSJSteve]

Damn! Why can't this come to the UK? All of you in America are lucky. I think Vic's version of the opening is ok, I prefer Sean's opening more.

[ThunderPX]

Cue Mean-Mike here.

I don't know what planet any of you live on, but both versions are pretty bad. They each consistently miss the timing when coming in on what is the first "Dokkan Dokkan..." part, which sounds horribly amateurish. Maybe that has more to do with the producer than the performer, but it reflects poorly on all of them. I feel nothing from either performance, and they each sound like they're struggling to reach certain ranges. Like I said on the most recent podcast, the opening sounds just barely serviceable, much like the dubbed DBGT songs were ("Yep, that's the song.")

Not that the original version from Tanimoto is some classical piece of awesomeness -- I never said it was -- since he leaves quite a bit to be desired, as well.

I personally don't hear the timing problem on Vic Mignogna's version. I'm with you on Sean Schemmel's take, though--the fact that it's the very start of the song really takes you out of the moment.
Other than that, while closely analysing the two versions, I found that the Mignogna version had the better production by far; it sounded much tighter than the Schemmel version, which had a lot of reverb. That seems to be why the vocal track sounds so disconnected from the music in that one, and I'm guessing that's why people think it sounds like a karaoke machine. Couple that with the hokey AutoTune usage and... yeah, you get a pretty shoddy result.
The Vic Mignogna version has neither of those problems, and adds on a more convincing delivery; while I'm on the fence as to whether or not it's too exaggerated, it gets me a lot more pumped than Sean Schemmel's version. I've also found that there's some very subtle overdubbing to accentuate certain phrases on Mignogna's vocal track, which adds an extra punch.

I guess in short, what I'm trying to say is that no matter which singer one prefers, the TV version undeniably has better production, and my personal preference goes out to it.

(I write too much.)

[Brakus]

Here is my review of the first two episodes of Z Kai on Nicktoons. I link to it because it is pretty lengthy. So if anyone is interested, you guys can read it there on my blog.

But there is something from the review I wanted to point out that I didn't see anyone else mention.

"Something weird I did notice, Roshi's subtle dirty joke. Goku was showing everyone that Gohan is his son and after everyone was done being shocked, Roshi says "Wow, Goku. I didn't know you had it in you" and then chuckles. I was actually surprised this made it passed censors for the show, but was happy to see they have Roshi be more perverted, as that is closer to his true character, but it was so subtle."

But, but... Goku hasn't met Vegeta yet, and as we know now, Piccolo doesn't/shouldn't have boy-parts, so.... oh, wait, never mind.

Still, now that you mentioned it, that was a good catch.

[Brakus]

Cue Mean-Mike here.

I don't know what planet any of you live on, but both versions are pretty bad. They each consistently miss the timing when coming in on what is the first "Dokkan Dokkan..." part, which sounds horribly amateurish. Maybe that has more to do with the producer than the performer, but it reflects poorly on all of them. I feel nothing from either performance, and they each sound like they're struggling to reach certain ranges. Like I said on the most recent podcast, the opening sounds just barely serviceable, much like the dubbed DBGT songs were ("Yep, that's the song.")

OMG! Finally, I'm agreeing with Mike on something related to the English version! Sean's version was a little weak, while Vic's version tries too hard to be like Hironobu Kageyama. At least Vic's version is slightly easier on the ears for me, but neither version matches up to the original Japanese version, IMO. I don't really understand why some songs have to be dubbed into English, even for broadcast standards. They didn't dub the themes for Bleach and Fullmetal Alchemist into English, after all....

Not that the original version from Tanimoto is some classical piece of awesomeness -- I never said it was -- since he leaves quite a bit to be desired, as well.

Oh wait, never mind, Mike thinks the original JP version's not that good either. Guess we still disagree on some things.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Wow... uh... hm.

I just listened to Vic's rendition and it basically sounded like a hair metal version.

How can people like this better?

Because it is better. Vic has some actual singing talent, whereas Sean Schemmel doesn't. Schemmel's is cringeworthy. Vic's actually got me excited for the show.

Yeah, that's cool, except your opinion is invalid to me since you just hate Sean Schemmel. Unquestionably anything that involves him from now on you will bash him on. Get over yourself.

I don't like either of them but if I had to pick I'd go with Schemmel's. I was waiting for Vic to start imitating Rob Halford next.

[VegettoEX]

Yeah, that's cool, except your opinion is invalid to me since you just hate Sean Schemmel. Unquestionably anything that involves him from now on you will bash him on. Get over yourself.

That's just a ridiculous combination of an ad hominem against penguintruth and cherry-picking your "evidence".

You clearly had a viewpoint to share and expand upon, so why compromise and negate its impact by personally attacking someone for its setup? It just looks childish -- not that I'm expecting each and every single last post from anyone ever to emit an air of total professionalism, but sheesh.

[Innagadadavida]

Here are some screenshots of the digital painting.



I'm recording the edited episodes to watch with my little brothers, so I had the video on hand. This is really interesting because in FUNimation's dub, they call the Tenkaichi Budokai "The World Martial Arts Tournament." Therefore, the Romanji means nothing. It was a totally pointless edit. They left other Japanese characters intact, what was the reason for this edit?

Anyway, it's surreal and exciting to see Z on TV again. I'm glad the Kai dub is so good. I love absolutely everything about this situation. I wouldn't change a thing... Except maybe a bigger network, but beggars can't be choosers.

Also, Nicktoons is advertising the balls out of Z Kai. They're really proud of having it on their channel.