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Re: Dragon Ball GT Question! How did Vegeta...

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:22 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:There's no reason to question the other examples you've brought up, because they make sense in-universe.
Even the part about the Moon being destroyed?
Yep. That, and other things you said (e.g. dinosaurs living on Earth) make sense because it's just a gag-manga; it's not real life.

This, however, is like Kuririn going Super Saiyan or something. Kuririn doesn't have Saiyan blood, and Goku doesn't have magical abilities. Therefore, neither really makes much sense, in-universe.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:53 am

Or like Kuririn doesn't have a nose.

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:05 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: Yep. That, and other things you said (e.g. dinosaurs living on Earth) make sense because it's just a gag-manga; it's not real life.
But how does that make sense and clothes growing on people doesn't?



You can be hypocritical and selectively say things make sense in the DB world all you want, but I'm done arguing with you. I think I've said all that needs to be said.

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Post by rereboy » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:23 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: Yep. That, and other things you said (e.g. dinosaurs living on Earth) make sense because it's just a gag-manga; it's not real life.
But how does that make sense and clothes growing on people doesn't?



You can be hypocritical and selectively say things make sense in the DB world all you want, but I'm done arguing with you. I think I've said all that needs to be said.
The fact that all the dinossaurs are dead nowadays is just a fluke. There are older animals than the dinossaurs still alive on the planet. If things happened a little different, they could still be alive today.

That makes sense and its possible. We just have to imagine that things happened differently. However, creating clothes out of nothing with magic goes against how everything works in this world.

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Re: Dragon Ball GT Question! How did Vegeta...

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:28 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:But how does that make sense and clothes growing on people doesn't?
Again, it's not that people magically growing clothing doesn't make sense; Piccolo does it all the time with his magical "CLOTHES BEAM!" It's the fact that a Saiyan character randomly starts doing it that's the problem.

It's not even that I think it's impossible. Yeah, anything can happen in DB! It's just that it's such a random thing that it made a lot of people go "huh?" And you think that automatically makes someone a Toriyama-lovin' GT hater.
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:You can be hypocritical and selectively say things make sense in the DB world all you want
I never said things from the DB world make sense in real life. That'd be silly. I'm talking about internal consistency here. If you can't understand that... sorry?
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Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: It's not even that I think it's impossible. Yeah, anything can happen in DB! It's just that it's such a random thing that it made a lot of people go "huh?"
I also said "huh", when I saw that Dinosaurs were still alive and when Kame Sen'nin and Piccolo destroyed the moon without any regard for the planet's well-being.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:And you think that automatically makes someone a Toriyama-lovin' GT hater.
Have I called anyone a "GT hater", "Toriyama-lover" or anything along those lines? Stop putting words into my mouth.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: I never said things from the DB world make sense in real life. That'd be silly. I'm talking about internal consistency here. If you can't understand that... sorry?
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:You can be hypocritical and selectively say things make sense in the DB world all you want

Did you even read my post?

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Post by dbgtFO » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: It's not even that I think it's impossible. Yeah, anything can happen in DB! It's just that it's such a random thing that it made a lot of people go "huh?"
I also said "huh", when I saw that Dinosaurs were still alive and when Kame Sen'nin and Piccolo destroyed the moon without any regard for the planet's well-being.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:And you think that automatically makes someone a Toriyama-lovin' GT hater.
Have I called anyone a "GT hater", "Toriyama-lover" or anything along those lines? Stop putting words into my mouth.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: I never said things from the DB world make sense in real life. That'd be silly. I'm talking about internal consistency here. If you can't understand that... sorry?
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:You can be hypocritical and selectively say things make sense in the DB world all you want

Did you even read my post?
You do understand, why some people think it's stupid, that Vegeta and Goku get clothes out of nowhere right?
Otherwise the point still stands! It's stupid, that they all of a sudden are shown to have an ability, that they never had before(making clothes appear) without some proper explanation given for why they suddenly can do it. Including, when they revert to base form with clothes and all, even though it was torn apart in their Golden Oozaru states.
It is as stupid, as Goku all of a sudden being able to read minds and communicate telepathically without some explanation given to how the hell he learned that.

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Re: Dragon Ball GT Question! How did Vegeta...

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:35 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I also said "huh", when I saw that Dinosaurs were still alive and when Kame Sen'nin and Piccolo destroyed the moon without any regard for the planet's well-being.
So again you bring it back to things that don't make sense when compared to the real world. I... I have no words.

Seriously guys, I'm not the only one scratching my head here, am I? Piccolo Daimaoh and I are apparently not only not on the same page, but we're not even on the same book!
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Have I called anyone a "GT hater", "Toriyama-lover" or anything along those lines?
Obviously, not literally. But you sure imply it like crazy whenever GT's brought up (not talking about just this topic). Even before anybody tries to badmouth it! Such as your first post in this topic:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Exactly. Fusions in DBZ made clothes magically appear,
so you can't use that as an excuse to say: "haha, GT's retarded" or something like that.
Completely unprovoked. VegettoEX has called you out on the same thing before, too, remember?

Really, there's no anti-GT bandwagon, dude. A lot of people just legitimately don't like it. Why's that your problem? Why are you always defending it? It's not your first-born son. It's not something you created. It's... just a show.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:12 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: So again you bring it back to things that don't make sense when compared to the real world. I... I have no words.

Seriously guys, I'm not the only one scratching my head here, am I? Piccolo Daimaoh and I are apparently not only not on the same page, but we're not even on the same book!
Agreed. You just can't accept that some things in all three series can't be explained in-universe. I have provided numerous examples of these.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: Obviously, not literally. But you sure imply it like crazy whenever GT's brought up (not talking about just this topic). Even before anybody tries to badmouth it! Such as your first post in this topic:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Exactly. Fusions in DBZ made clothes magically appear,
so you can't use that as an excuse to say: "haha, GT's retarded" or something like that.
Completely unprovoked.
Actually, it was provoked:
Perfect wrote:I stopped trying to add logic to GT after the first episode I watched of it.
Fifth post in the thread. Mine was the fifteenth.
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: Really, there's no anti-GT bandwagon, dude.
Yes, there is. We can't even have a legitimate discussion about GT, without somebody popping in and saying something like: "GT isn't supposed to make sense". This annoys people like me, who actually do want to seriously talk about the series.
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: A lot of people just legitimately don't like it. Why's that your problem? Why are you always defending it? It's not your first-born son. It's not something you created. It's... just a show.
In this case, I'm not defending it. All I'm doing is just pointing out hypocrisy.

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Re: Dragon Ball GT Question! How did Vegeta...

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:47 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Agreed. You just can't accept that some things in all three series can't be explained in-universe.
That's not true. For instance, after the Dragon Balls are first used, Goku and Kuririn train for eight months with Kame-Sennin. Then, the Dragon Balls are suddenly active again. That's something that contradicts in-universe rules (Dragon Balls take one full year to recharge).

Another one, Cell regenerates after Goku blows his head off, despite stating later that his core or whatever is in his head. That's another example of something making no sense in-universe.
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:I have provided numerous examples of these.
No, you haven't. You've said things like, "Dinosaurs and humans don't co-exist in real life, therefore, dinosaurs running around in the DB World makes no sense." But in the Dragon World, dinosaurs do exist. It makes sense in that fictional universe.

Simple, no?
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Actually, it was provoked:

My mistake. However, as you know, many find GT to truly be illogical. Do you have to get your panties in a bunch just because somebody reminds you of that fact?
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Yes, there is. We can't even have a legitimate discussion about GT, without somebody popping in and saying something like: "GT isn't supposed to make sense". This annoys people like me, who actually do want to seriously talk about the series.
Ok, but nobody's bashing GT just because it's fun to bash GT. People genuinely find faults in it. I don't think most people think they're being "cool" or "edgy" by badmouthing it.

Do ya also think Dragonball Evolution was a cinematic masterpiece, but people just bash it to be one of the cool kids?
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:13 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: That's not true. For instance, after the Dragon Balls are first used, Goku and Kuririn train for eight months with Kame-Sennin. Then, the Dragon Balls are suddenly active again. That's something that contradicts in-universe rules (Dragon Balls take one full year to recharge).

Another one, Cell regenerates after Goku blows his head off, despite stating later that his core or whatever is in his head. That's another example of something making no sense in-universe.
Was that so hard?
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: No, you haven't. You've said things like, "Dinosaurs and humans don't co-exist in real life, therefore, dinosaurs running around in the DB World makes no sense." But in the Dragon World, dinosaurs do exist. It makes sense in that fictional universe.
Again, I bring up the Moon example. Which doesn't make sense in the fictional DB universe, because said universe has plants and animals (just like our universe).
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: My mistake. However, as you know, many find GT to truly be illogical. Do you have to get your panties in a bunch just because somebody reminds you of that fact?
There's a difference between being reminded in a intelligent manner, and being reminded in a stupid and close-minded manner. The latter is what ticks me off.
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: Ok, but nobody's bashing GT just because it's fun to bash GT.
I beg to differ. I'm not saying a lot of people do it, but some genuinely do (I'm not just talking about Daizex).
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: People genuinely find faults in it.
I do aswell. I don't think it's perfect; far from it.
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: Do ya also think Dragonball Evolution was a cinematic masterpiece, but people just bash it to be one of the cool kids?
The difference is that GT actually has people who liked it, or at least people who thought it was decent. Almost everyone hated Evolution.

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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:54 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:This might already be answered, but was curious... How did Vegeta get his pants after going from ape, to SSJ4?
Cause it's a cartoon they just drew pants on him. :D

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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:07 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
AnimeMaakuo wrote:This might already be answered, but was curious... How did Vegeta get his pants after going from ape, to SSJ4?
Cause it's a cartoon they just drew pants on him. :D
So why didn't they do the same to Gohan in the Saiya-Jin arc? :wink:

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Post by Savage68 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:46 pm

Because Gohan was passed out, and wasn't about to engage in a life-or-death battle?

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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:01 pm

I think it's still understandable that when Goku SSJ4 or Vegeta SSJ4, regained their clothes after they transform from Golden Oozaru but I think they shouldn't make Goku or Vegeta regained their shirts after they transformed into base form again
Savage68 wrote:Because Gohan was passed out, and wasn't about to engage in a life-or-death battle?
Probably....

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