Your inside "fanon" things

[Travis Touchdown]

I don't believe Buu's little pods people get put in after absorption completely preserve them and they'll eventually die without nutrition and are completely digested into Buu. I think that's what happened to South & Dai Kaioshin and upon their deaths, they passed into the afterlife while Buu kept their powers.

I also think the only reason East Kaioshin is the only Kaioshin is there weren't any golden fruits from the Shin-jin tree during that time leaving no one available to take the openings. In fact, I think I may have read that somewhere or I just made it up for my fanon to explain why there's only one Kaioshin.

I believe a lot of Piccolo's time living with Dende was actually Nail & Dende spending time together. Piccolo was shown to be able to switch personalities during the Namek arc, so I think Piccolo would let Nail take control so he could converse with his little brother and when Piccolo was in control, it was time spent training. That's about the only way I can see Piccolo falling so far behind the Super Saiyans despite his will to train is about equal to Goku's.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Does anyone have any theories about how certain relationships in the series were formed, or how the children were concieved? Here are some of mine, as well as a more detailed explanation of my Yamcha & Chi-Chi affair fanon.

Yamcha & Chi-Chi: Sometime after Bulma banged Vegeta and spread vicious lies of Yamcha's "cheating", Yamcha and Chi-Chi, who were both equally lonely, engaged in an affair (which Goku never found out about because he was out training all the time). After Majin Boo was destroyed and life went back to normal, Yamcha asked Chi-Chi to get a boob job (she was flat-chested, as mentioned by Son Goku). Lacking self-confidence and believing that the only way she'd be able to hold down a man who "loved" her is if she enhanced herself, she obliged. After the boob job, she felt good about herself, thinking that she was finally able to indulge in womanly pleasures she believes she missed out on, and then changed her overall appearance*. In a way, she was disguising the fact that she was actually an emotionally fragile woman with a lively affair in which she felt loved.

Son Gohan's Concievement: After Goku and Chi-Chi's arranged marriage, Chi-Chi gave Son Goku sex education classes. At that time, Goku was 20 years old, and had already long gone through puberty, so what else are you gonna do when Chi-Chi comes downstairs one morning wearing sexy lingerie?

Son Goten's Concievement: Sometime in the Cell arc, Chi-Chi seduced Goku again, which resulted in the concievement of Son Goten.

Vegeta & Bulma/Bra's Concievement: During those 7 years in which Vegeta had bonded with Trunks through training, Vegeta had become softer due to the peaceful life on Earth, not going around and killing aliens 24/7. His love for Trunks in turn developed his love for Bulma, and after he sacrificed his life against Majin Boo and finally admitted his love for Bulma and Trunks, they had a somewhat normal relationship with the odd argument patched up with heated, animal sex. One of these such occasions resulted in the concievement of Bra.

Kuririn & 18/Marron's Concievement: Desperately horny for sex, Kuririn developed an infatuation with #18 from the moment she playfully kissed him. When #18 mistook Kuririn's bomb-removing wish for compassion, she reciprocated his crush and the two got together out of convenience. They were both first-timers, at mature relationships and sex, and were so scared of not being in love that they hung onto what little was left on their relationship. After the first exciting six months where they thought they couldn't be happier, all that was left was meaningless, tired sex. One of these such occasions resulted in the concievement of Marron.

After many years (not long after Goku flew off to train Oob), #18 got fed up with Kuririn (him being a crap husband (both in love and bed), not getting a job and having to live with a weird old perv like Kame-sennin) and broke up with him.

*This explains why, in that filler after Boo is destroyed, Chi-Chi's breasts are bigger than Bulma's and she looks different--somewhat younger and more attractive.

[Saiyaman Prime]

Dear God.

[nathantheguitarist]

Kuririn & 18/Marron's Concievement: Desperately horny for sex, Kuririn developed an infatuation with #18 from the moment she playfully kissed him. When #18 mistook Kuririn's bomb-removing wish for compassion, she reciprocated his crush and the two got together out of convenience. They were both first-timers, at mature relationships and sex, and were so scared of not being in love that they hung onto what little was left on their relationship. After the first exciting six months where they thought they couldn't be happier, all that was left was meaningless, tired sex. One of these such occasions resulted in the concievement of Marron.

After many years (not long after Goku flew off to train Oob), #18 got fed up with Kuririn (him being a crap husband (both in love and bed), not getting a job and letting Kame-sennin sexually harrass her all the time) and broke up with him.

That was awfully depressing. What's seen of 18 and Kuririn at the end of Z? I can't remember.

I'd think that 18 would have been a dedicated parent, and either you have GT or DBO in which Kuririn is the founder of a Kame-style school. I'd think he'd have his own place by then. Roshi harassment probably never happened again after 18 planted him into the side of that plain, or any situation resulting in him getting the shit beaten out of him. I'd even go so far as to say, maybe he did keep up the harassment and 18 purposely hospitalized him just so they could have the island to themselves. Maybe that's when Marron was conceived lol.

Also, I disagree with your Goku foot fetish and no condoms in the DB world theories. Goku's too dumb for fetishes. Their relationship is probably solely based on what Chichi wants. As for condoms? Come on dude, look at West City. Or just the fact that they can put houses and cars and shit into Capsules.

[Kaboom]

That was awfully depressing. What's seen of 18 and Kuririn at the end of Z? I can't remember.

Not much is shown of them, but they're still together at the very least.

Also, going by GT Kuririn and 18 eventually DID move out of Kame House and get a place on their own. I'll bet it was the bribe money from Mr. Satan that let them do it.

[nathantheguitarist]

That was awfully depressing. What's seen of 18 and Kuririn at the end of Z? I can't remember.

Not much is shown of them, but they're still together at the very least.

Also, going by GT Kuririn and 18 eventually DID move out of Kame House and get a place on their own. I'll bet it was the bribe money from Mr. Satan that let them do it.

I forgot about that money. I also forgot about that part of the series...

Btw, Kaboom. Your posts are... OVER EIGHT-THOU- *smacked in face by flying shoe*

[Great Saiyaman I]

In addition to some of the ones others have posted, since I don't want my post alone to be like 3 pages long, here are a couple I haven't seen yet:

-Any alternate universe where Vegetto doesn't split back into Goku and Vegeta, he tricks Bulma and Chi Chi into wearing a Potara instead of going through the hassle of picking one over the other or trying to live with both of them.

-That the Gyarik-ho is a technique of the Saiyan Royal Family, not just "Vegeta's Kamehameha".

Huh, never thought of fusing Chi Chi and Bulma. That would patch things up quite nicely. It would be a cool idea for a fanfic, anyone?

[Jaruka]

In addition to some of the ones others have posted, since I don't want my post alone to be like 3 pages long, here are a couple I haven't seen yet:

-Any alternate universe where Vegetto doesn't split back into Goku and Vegeta, he tricks Bulma and Chi Chi into wearing a Potara instead of going through the hassle of picking one over the other or trying to live with both of them.

-That the Gyarik-ho is a technique of the Saiyan Royal Family, not just "Vegeta's Kamehameha".

Huh, never thought of fusing Chi Chi and Bulma. That would patch things up quite nicely. It would be a cool idea for a fanfic, anyone?

There was a fan-manga but it was Gogeta... Actually, it was Hentai
We all marvelled over the image a few years back and when we finally got the source, my were we shocked

Here's a image that the art community on Atari made:

link: http://dbzataricommunity.deviantart.com ... /#/d17im15

[nathantheguitarist]

That's very similar to this:



...which I like much better.

[Perfect]

I personally believe Freeza ate his own soldiers when he was pissed off, mainly when they were in the darkness of space.

[Travis Touchdown]

That's very similar to this:

[snip]

...which I like much better.

Is that... a Toriyama drawn Bulchi (Chima?)? I must see this entire image. I'm guessing that Prillin image is a part of it too, right?

[nathantheguitarist]

That's very similar to this:

[snip]

...which I like much better.

Is that... a Toriyama drawn Bulchi (Chima?)? I must see this entire image. I'm guessing that Prillin image is a part of it too, right?

I knew I shoulda put the link under it. Click the pic, it goes to the thread where it came from.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Is that... a Toriyama drawn Bulchi (Chima?)? I must see this entire image. I'm guessing that Prillin image is a part of it too, right?

No, it is a submission to the contest that Toriyama drew "Prillin" for though. Here's the thread: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =8&t=14471

EDIT: Quasi-ninja'd. -_-

I like the contest version's a bit more than the other one. lol Though a Potara version would make more sense, as I'm not sure regular fusion would be possible for them without a lot of training for the poses and matching of their "combat powers".

[dbgtFO]

Mu ultimate fanon has something to do with the background of the Saiyan's resemblance to Earthlings, why the Namekians only have male like beings on their planet, and why Dragon World is set in age 749 +. I have to take some information from the Daiz' to make it work, but I'm okay with that.

I believe their universe is a what if of our own universe in the future(they have Gods and all, fx Kaioshin), where several alien species are byproducts of experiments made by us Eartlings.
The Saiyans for example are in reality humans mixed with Gorilla DNA in such a way, that they can transform into giant Gorillas(with tails apparently). The eartlings then sent them off to a distant planet after causing too much trouble on Earth and over time both earthlings and saiyans forgot about their mutual connections.
The Giant War, and it's consequenses:
After some years with peace and development on Earth and other planets in the same galaxy a giant war began, that meant some earthlings were sent to other planets to annihilate the population there, and after the war ended they stayed there(some of them being Recoome's ancestors). The end of the war would be deemed year 0 and that's why the Dragonball story begins in 749 and not in 2567 or something like that.

The Earth looks the way it does, because of the Giant war, and 700 years after the war noone remembers it, because it wasn't recorded and/or the top generals/presidents whatever, who was responsible for the war, were killed and all of the Earth's advanced space technology was destroyed along with them, making Earthlings unable to space travel like all the other aliens in DB does.

The story of the Namekians:
The reason for why there are no female looking Namekians on the planet is because of that storm, where only Guru survived. I believe the Namekians were a highly developed race, who had travelled in space several times meeting many alien species, and learning from them to improve their living standards on their home planet. This also explains why Vegeta and Nappa knew about them and their gifted abilities, because in my mind they went to a fine Saiyan school, where they learned about the rest of the galaxy, this is also why they aren't surprised the humans on Earth looks exactly like the humans on Vegeta. Raditz however only learned a few things because he was a low level warrior, and was only taught, what the inhabitants of the planet he was going to conquer looked like, before leaving, explaining, why he wasn't surprised, when he went to Earth.

As I said earlier the namekians were a highly developed race, who did in fact have females on their planet(and yes they do have earthling like genitalia, contrary to what TFS claims) so they could reproduce in the same way as eartlings. Over time they managed to create offspring, by spitting out an egg, that contained their DNA, but they could only create offspring with the same gender, as themselves. So this method of reproducing was only used, if they wanted the baby to be a specific gender(Man spits out boy, Woman spits out girl) or if they were lonely or something else, as you shorten your own life considerably, by doing so.

After some time an unexpected storm ravaged the planet, and even though they had advanced technology it didn't work and all but one(Guru) was wiped out. This explains why only male Namekians live on the planet now, as all the females were killed during that storm.
Guru then became the God of the planet and created all of the Namekians, who lived on the planet until Freeza's assault. The reason, why Dende doesn't know, that there once was females is that Guru simply didn't want to tell his children of the better times, as such a revelation would make any man commit suicide, now that they don't have women to "comfort" them(just like in James Browns "It's a man's, man's man's world"), plus when Guru created his kids, he didn't pass on the gene of natural lust towards female beings, making them act normally around Bulma on Earth.

[Jaruka]

I posted this on another forum to sum up my feelings about the Legendary Super Saiyan form and I guess it counts as fanon:

Arguably each branch or form is just a variation on the original form, Super Saiyan 2 is arguably the ultimate version of 'Super Saiyan', Super Saiyan 3 is the ultimate form of 'Super Saiyan 2', each for has superiorities to it's hierarchical/numeral predecessor, hence Ascended Super Saiyan, Ultra Super Saiyan and to an extent Legendary Super Saiyan not being labelled as Super Saiyan '2' because logically that would be the naming.

The lack of this naming shows that the Saiyans themselves realised these differences, that Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan were merely variations of the original instead of a massive upgrade, it has even been argued they're their own branch, ignoring the Super Saiyan form altogether (however I disagree and say they're a branch off Super Saiyan rather than base).

Legendary Super Saiyan was the term coined by Vegeta and it's obviously a form that branches from Super Saiyan or Base, it's never made clear. It is not however the ultimate form as we call that 'Full Power Super Saiyan' and the large body mass is a draw-back in my opinion, though he doesn't lose any speed there's no denying if he had the same powers and retained his original state he'd be faster (hence why Super Saiyan 2 Broly would kick his Legendary form's ass). The form was never specifically elaborated on other than that Vegeta believed it was the form the Original Super Saiyan took.

I still theorise that in Dragonball canon, the Legendary Super Saiyan form never existed and Goku, Vegeta and the others were part of great shift, it was already stated that Bardock was an exceptional Saiyan, his powers nearing those of the King Vegeta. They were undoubtedly from good stock, as was Tullece. I believe that they were all the Saiyans of legend, the Saiyans had been brought to the brink of extinction and as a reaction to this the Super Saiyans became necessary, maybe Broly, Vegeta, Goku, Table, Tullece and Raditz were born in the Saiyans era of dark and the only thing that could illuminate their future was the power of the Super Saiyans, Tullece and Raditz died sadly before they could achieve the power of which they were born into, Table was never taught how to fight and as such never trained hard enough to attain it. Broly was a nut-case who could of been the Saiyan embodiment of evil, their Satan, if you will.

However, in Dragonball GT canon I find it clear that Goku is the Legendary Super Saiyan and the real Legendary form is the Super Saiyan 4, the perfect blend of Ozaru and Saiyan (the GT perfect files say it's rumoured Saiyans originally started as Ozaru).

In the Broly movie canon, it's still not Broly and I'll refer to my canon answer, Broly's form name is merely the result of Vegeta's choice of words, plus the way he speaks of Broly helps back up my theory of Broly being the Saiyan embodiment of evil.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

Also, I disagree with your Goku foot fetish

Hey, now. I know this is a thread for opinions, but criticizing someone's sexual preferences that might just happen to involve an erotic attraction to the feet of a male cartoon character is just uncalled for.



Come on, take a look at that and tell me you don't find it even a little sexy.

I'm so sorry, I couldn't resist.

Anyways, my personal fanon relies on DBZ Episode 20, and the history of the Saiyajin and Tsufurujin before Freeza came along. I completely disregard GT and the soon-to-be-remade OVA's depiction of the Tsufurujin and prefer to focus on what we get out of this scene, however short it may be (I've seen people create fanon based on far less information). Like a lot of things in the series, though, the flashback only paints one very specific side of the story, and is meant to set the tone for how evil the upcoming villains are going to be (like Arlia) - the point is to show the ferocity and evil of the Saiyajin as a whole, with Gokou as pretty much the only exception. But I think that's a bit absurd - claiming an entire race of people is incapable of being different unless they suffer a traumatic bump to the head. I mean, even Vegeta's life and attitude changes over the course of the series due to circumstances.

Dragonball is the type of series where you sometimes can't read too much into things because you know the author certainly didn't, and sometimes, stuff just happens because it's convenient. But we can't ignore the fact that the Saiyajin are genetically similar enough to humans to breed with them, and both species are primates. The Saiyajin are really like super-enhanced humans with the primitive aspect more emphasized - they keep their tails, have a more animalistic nature, are physically more designed for combat and survival, etc...but besides the tail, physically, you can't tell the difference between one and a human (at least the 'normal' type human; I'm aware that things like animals and monsters are also 'humans' in the DB world, but for the sake of simplicity...), which is why Gokou was able to blend in for 20 years with his tail (and transformation) and freakish strength being the only potentially otherworldly indicator.

Though it's best not to get into this kind of debate, it's hard to deny that there is a long history of evil existing in human nature, but there's obviously great good, too. If anyone is familiar with Yuu Yuu Hakusho, think of the fact that Chapter Black and Chapter White were always meant to be viewed as a set, to show both sides of what our race is capable of. You can't mean to tell me that the long history of the Saiyajin, especially pre-Freeza, would be full of nothing but Chapter Black fodder. I'd like to believe there is no such thing as inherent good or evil - everyone has the potential for both, but it's experience and influence that determines what one will become. And to me, it seems like the Saiyajin were a lot less civilized pre-Freeza, so their primitive natures were much stronger than their rationalities. They weren't necessarily behaving 'evilly' when they destroyed the Tsufurujin. They had a base desire to control their planet for themselves, and wipe out their enemies, and essentially be on top. You can see that sort of thing in the animal kingdom of the real world, but it's hard to call animals 'evil' because we associate that quality with rational creatures (IE, humans). One day they got lucky with a full moon and managed to accomplish the destruction of their enemies (and like Gokou and Gohan, these Oozaru seemed like mindless destructive beasts - again, it seems they only got more civilized, and able to be rational in that state, post-Freeza...besides Vegeta, it seems like Bardock's crew had control of themselves in that state, though it's been a while since I saw that special). It was mindless violence more than malice.

So is it really so farfetched to say that there may have been some Saiyajin who were more rationally evolved than others, albeit a minority? Maybe some who didn't want just mindless destruction? As I commented a few times, it seems strongly evidenced that Freeza's influenced 'civilized' the Saiyajin more; perhaps even before he came along (since we don't know when that was), it was the access to the somehow-magically-not-destroyed-Tsufurujin-technology-and-civilization-despite-the-rampant-planet-destruction-that-was-enough-to-genocide-the-race that played a hand in de-primitive...izing...them as well. In any case, it's circumstances and experiences that change people, as Gokou has shown us - he obviously retained certain Saiyajin qualities, but is a plain case for nurture over nature. He's proof that Saiyajin are as capable as overcoming primal urges as real-world humans. I don't think it's farfetched at all to assume there could have been a handful of Saiyajin who disagreed with the majority and didn't want a part in this 'let's kill all the Tsufurujin because destroying shit is awesome' thing. I find it more likely that they'd be a neutral party than actually interested in coexisting directly or making peace, though, so they'd probably just stay quiet and mind their business. All of these ideas may be reliant on a filler episode, but I know I'm not the only one who considers some filler things part of their personal canon, so I'm not going to let someone invalidate my ideas 'because they're based on stuff that wasn't in the Manga' - again, I've seen weirder ideas based on less/no (or even contrary to!!) series-present evidence, so I think there's plausibility to all of what I've said so far.

Going from there, it gets a little more typically fanficish, but remember that these are ideas I began creating when I was a freshman in high school (I'm currently a college senior); if I someday have the time to get around to it, there's a lot I'd like to refine about how my fic's background came to be, but for now, basically...let's say that just as there were some Saiyajin who didn't want to fight a war with the Tsufurujin, there were Tsufurujin who thought they might be able to make peace with the Saiyajin as well. We all know how many protests exist against war in the real world, and that there always exist people who think reasoning with the enemy will be possible, and violence is not the answer. If the Tsufurujin are more similar to that aspect of humanity, as they seem to be (the rational side vs. the primitive instinctual side), then I'm sure there were protests. It'd only be a matter of time before the two groups became aware of each other, and the Tsufurujin protesters sought out the most likely Saiyajin they'd be able to reason with to stop the war. Maybe if they could convince these neutral parties why the war was just needlessly destroying their mutual homeworld, these Saiyajin could potentially talk some sense into the rest of their race, and the two sides could eventually come to terms and end the war. But majority always rules, and sadly, warmongering tends to win over peaceful protests (while this was no means an influence to my ideas, I recently rewatched Disney's Pocahontas and as I type this I'm envisioning the Savages sequence), and we know fate eventually fell to an unexpected full moon. Oh well...they tried.

What if, as a last ditch effort, the small group of Tsufurujin protesters and Saiyajin neutrals decided to flee the planet? The Tsufurujin had amazing technology, surely they'd have something that could detect another liveable planet nearby enough that their spacecrafts could make the journey to and support their little resistance. Obviously this would have to be before the full moon, or even the neutral Saiyajin would become a lost cause, transform, and kill everyone. Not to mention that as I implied above, I find it very unlikely that their rampant destruction somehow managed to keep Tsufurujin technology intact enough that we can credit them with things like scouters and spacepods, but again, Dragonball + filler = what consistency? So yeah, the war is coming to a head, and it seems the Tsufurujin have the upperhand pre-moon. Our little resistance party finds the opportunity to get themselves together on one or multiple spacecrafts and set off for another planet that they believe is at least somewhat likely of supporting life - after all, better to risk it than stick around here as the other two races demolish the planet and each other, right? And so, off they go, and escape prior to the full moon, thus avoiding the destruction of Planet Plant and the later influence of Freeza. They eventually arrive at their new planet, build a small but efficient society, and live together in peace for who knows how long and yadda yadda yadda.

Again, as I already touched upon - the Saiyajin and Tsufurujin both seem to represent different facets of humanity. The Saiyajin are the primitive instinctive side, retaining their base animalistic nature. The Tsufurujin are the philosophers, scientists, artists, and extensions of the evolution of rationality and culture. There can't have been terribly many refugees from Planet Plant, so for a civilization to survive, there'd be interbreeding. Let's assume again that like the Saiyajin, the Tsufurujin are 'human' enough to have a similar genetic structure and are as capable of mating as a Saiyajin and a human are - why the Hell not? The unique Saiyajin characteristic is the tail, while the Tsufurujin seem to be on the small side - the Kuririns to the Gokous, let's say. It's not like they were Lilliputian or anything, so there shouldn't be any 'technical difficulties' in the two species interbreeding. The result would be halfbreeds that would eventually populate the planet (though surely fullbloods continued to mate as well; Saiyajin with Saiyajin, Tsufurujin with Tsufurujin, and mixed-coupling were probably about as common as one another). My personal theory is that these halfbreeds would be 'the opposite' of what we witness with human/Saiyajin hybrids, who somehow gain an additional potential and strength/abilities that fullblooded Saiyajin don't have (though as the Saiyajin blood is diluted, of course, as with Pan or Gokou and Vegeta Jr., this rule no longer applies). Tsufurujin were physically much smaller and weaker than Saiyajin, and interbreeding probably made the resulting halfbreeds about half as powerful as full-blooded Saiyajin. This didn't really matter among the culture here, because they lead peaceful lives and the only necessity for strength would be things like hunting, tilling the land, building houses, etc...maybe not even that much, because who knows what Tsufurujin technology could accomplish. The society would be a mixture of both cultures, and by merging the 'duality' of primitive with rational, the resulting halfbreeds would be much more similar to humans...pretty much humans with tails, as I see them.

I admit this was originally a device for me to create a halfbreed main character in my fic and intentionally limit him so he didn't end up hogging the spotlight and becoming overpowered like far too many Saiyajin-based OC's...so as far as battle powers and abilities go, compare the average 'Saifurujin' to, I'd say, as strong as Gokou and Kuririn were somewhere between the 21st and 22nd Budoukai. They had training from Muten Roshi and basic concepts of Ki control, and were much stronger than Average Joe Human, but didn't have any otherworldly experiences or Godly training yet, and didn't possess the more supernatural abilities (such as flight or sensing Ki) we get later in the series. This would probably be a base Saifurujin, who didn't train or battle due to lack of need, but still had some latent, innate abilities due to the Saiyajin blood. In a crisis situation, were the planet to be invaded and an on-the-fly military to be formed, it would be the Tsufurujin technology responsible for most of the firepower, possibly with some Saiyajin tanks on the front lines (though again, peaceful society, lack of training and fighting, even the fullbloods probably wouldn't be terribly useful). I'd imagine the entire populous taking up arms with technology, no matter their bloodline, due to the sheer lack of physical strength available. But Tsufurujin technology seems capable of being pretty potent, so let's say they could create the type of device not uncommon in a science fiction world - something to bring the latent ability of the Saifurujin (and Saiyajin) to the surface despite their lack of practice. Paragus put a device on Brolli that allowed him to both limit/contain his power and harness some control over him. Think of it kinda like that, but to the opposite effect of bringing out the latent ability, like what the Great Elder was able to do. It'd only work as long as the device was worn, though - not a perma-powerup like the Great Elder, but something that has to be equipped to utilize the abilities. Does it sound like I'm putting too many sci-fi and RPG ideas into the DBVerse? Welcome to the wonderful world of fanon, folks!!

So yeah...I know it's one of my world-famous walls-o-text, but cutting out the actual story elements of my fic, that's basically my backstory universe. My fic, Dragonball IGNO, actually takes place shortly after Gokou goes off with Uubu on Earth, and Goten and Trunks are the main characters. Of the two OC's I paired with G and T to create a Fearsome Foursome, one of them comes from the above mentioned society, a halfbreed utilizing those technological powerups to allow him to fight. He himself has his own backstory, of course, and due to necessity for survival, he's moved considerably beyond the 'base' strength level (his base ability would be more on par with Gokou at the 23rd Budoukai...or maybe more like, Tenshinhan + Saiyajin characteristics, because that'd remove the 'I trained with God' powers Gokou had obtained), but without his power amplifiers he'd be pretty fundamentally useless. Compared to Goten and Trunks, he's more like the Piccolo of the group in terms of strength. He can hold his own and defend himself, but he's not outshining the stronger characters any time soon. Thus, an OC in a Dragonball fic with Saiyajin blood who is not the shit and capable of destroying the universe (though due to how long ago I created the character, I do need to de-Mary Sue his backstory a bit). It's possible to get creative with the Saiyajin, past and future DBZ, without tapping into post-DBZ Super Saiyajin 5+ levels, or deep intricate pre-DBZ space adventures full of superstrong Saiyajin heroes. I tried to find a creative balance with something that I felt hadn't been done before (or at least done to death), by making my super ultra secret society of surviving Saiyajin weaker, rather than universe-destroyingly awesome.

...I just spent an hour typing this post, God help me and bless all those courageous enough to read it all X_X;

[mysticboy]

Raditz has the durability of 3 moons.

[Puto]

That Chaoz doesn't actually know Bukûjutsu, but instead just flies using the same weird and unexplainable powers he used to cheat on the Tenka'ichi Budôkai roll call and to freeze Kuririn and Gokû.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Kuririn & 18/Marron's Concievement: Desperately horny for sex, Kuririn developed an infatuation with #18 from the moment she playfully kissed him. When #18 mistook Kuririn's bomb-removing wish for compassion, she reciprocated his crush and the two got together out of convenience. They were both first-timers, at mature relationships and sex, and were so scared of not being in love that they hung onto what little was left on their relationship. After the first exciting six months where they thought they couldn't be happier, all that was left was meaningless, tired sex. One of these such occasions resulted in the concievement of Marron.

After many years (not long after Goku flew off to train Oob), #18 got fed up with Kuririn (him being a crap husband (both in love and bed), not getting a job and letting Kame-sennin sexually harrass her all the time) and broke up with him.

That was awfully depressing. What's seen of 18 and Kuririn at the end of Z? I can't remember.

I'd think that 18 would have been a dedicated parent, and either you have GT or DBO in which Kuririn is the founder of a Kame-style school. I'd think he'd have his own place by then. Roshi harassment probably never happened again after 18 planted him into the side of that plain, or any situation resulting in him getting the shit beaten out of him. I'd even go so far as to say, maybe he did keep up the harassment and 18 purposely hospitalized him just so they could have the island to themselves. Maybe that's when Marron was conceived lol.

Also, I disagree with your Goku foot fetish and no condoms in the DB world theories. Goku's too dumb for fetishes. Their relationship is probably solely based on what Chichi wants. As for condoms? Come on dude, look at West City. Or just the fact that they can put houses and cars and shit into Capsules.

I wouldn't call it depressing. That's just life. Kuririn was a bad lover, and #18's patience had run out. They weren't living in a house of their own; instead, they were living in Kame House with Kame-sennin. #18 planting Kame-sennin in the side of that plain was filler, although now I do agree that #18 probably would've taught him what's what after Kame-sennin tried to cop a feel.

And who says #18 breaking up with Kuririn doesn't make her a dedicated parent? Lots of parents break up with each other (I'm sure everyone knows a friend whose parents have broken up), but they still keep in touch with their children.

And yeah, forget the whole Goku food (not foot) fetish. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I'll just go with the "Chi-Chi seduced him again" theory. As for the condoms...I originally wrote that with the idea that Goku and Chi-Chi very rarely had sex because Goku was more focused on fighting than a relationship, but it's plausible that Chi-Chi could've worked him around to thinking her way. So condoms probably do exist in the Dragon World.

I'll update it soon with those changes, as well as a more detailed explanation of my Yamcha & Chi-Chi affair theory (as well as why I think Chi-Chi got a boob job).

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I'm not sure why any of that would have to contradict what we're shown in "Plan to Destroy the Saiyans" or GT.