FUNimation and Toei announce online streaming of DBZ!

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Re: FUNimation and Toei announce online streaming of DBZ!

Post by TripleRach » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:03 pm

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jda95 wrote:This kind of stuff really annoys me as regions outside of the US always get shafted. Visiting the website will just tell me that it is "blocked in your region as FUNimation does not have rights to the series". But Australia gets the same FUNi Dragon Ball that everyone else gets. Personal experience with FUNi's Digimon Adventure 02 has really made me hate this kind of stuff when it ignores half of the fans.
FUNi cannot do what is going to lose them money (i.e. a lawsuit because they allowed certain content to be viewed in a region they do not have the rights for). It's not a personal insult, it just is..
There's also the fact that free streams aren't completely "free." They're supported by advertisements, purchased by American advertisers that only market domestically. Foreigners probably aren't going to buy the advertisers' products (if it's even possible for them to buy it), so why should companies spend money to advertise their products to people who probably won't be interested in them? (On that note, it adds another positive for DVD owners: You don't have to watch stupid commercials.)

If it were up to me, there would be no region restrictions on any media, digital or physical. But the way the market is currently set up, with so many different companies owning licenses to content throughout the world, there isn't much way around it at the moment. At best, if this is successful, it could convince Toei to try to set up streaming deals for other countries with their respective license holders.
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Post by Bardo117 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:17 pm

This is only good to people who don't already own the series.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:22 pm

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jda95 wrote:This kind of stuff really annoys me as regions outside of the US always get shafted. Visiting the website will just tell me that it is "blocked in your region as FUNimation does not have rights to the series". But Australia gets the same FUNi Dragon Ball that everyone else gets. Personal experience with FUNi's Digimon Adventure 02 has really made me hate this kind of stuff when it ignores half of the fans.
FUNi cannot do what is going to lose them money (i.e. a lawsuit because they allowed certain content to be viewed in a region they do not have the rights for). It's not a personal insult, it just is..
There's also the fact that free streams aren't completely "free." They're supported by advertisements, purchased by American advertisers that only market domestically. Foreigners probably aren't going to buy the advertisers' products (if it's even possible for them to buy it), so why should companies spend money to advertise their products to people who probably won't be interested in them? (On that note, it adds another positive for DVD owners: You don't have to watch stupid commercials.)

If it were up to me, there would be no region restrictions on any media, digital or physical. But the way the market is currently set up, with so many different companies owning licenses to content throughout the world, there isn't much way around it at the moment. At best, if this is successful, it could convince Toei to try to set up streaming deals for other countries with their respective license holders.
Of course some idiots, er, people (this board needs a strikethrough code lol) will interpret that as the greedy evil FUNimation wanting to mooch off our money.
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Post by MetaMoss » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:20 pm

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Even though I live in the US, I still wish the country restrictions were not in place. The World Wide Web is such a global thing, In specific reference to the online streaming of Dragon Ball, I cannot understand why the restrictions are there. By nature it's a foreign show being shared and enjoyed by people all over the world.
The problem is, the rights to the series. Toei licenses the rights to distribute its shows internationally to other companies, and depending on the contract, the licensee may subcontract its version of said show to another company, which is what is the relationship between FUNimation and Madman Entertainment. Since FUNimation doesn't have the full rights to the show is say, Brazil, legally it can't even stream it without the regional distributor's permission (which would mean less money for the distributor, so it doesn't happen). Toei, on the other hand, since it owns the International Copyright and other stuff, it can stream wherever it likes, which it did for the 2008 Jump Super Anime Tour Special. But this is FUNimation doing the streaming, so it can't stream it where it has no jurisdiction over the property. Toei could, but it only could do the original Japanese dub.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:22 pm

I wonder which footage they would use. I know when they were releasing the Season Sets, they were still showing DBZ like every Saturday or something and it was the old footage. I don't think that it would be Dragon Box footage (for Z). I have a strong suspicion this is them using their old masters one more time, since otherwise they are useless now.

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Post by Budogenkai » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:26 pm

There's no way they're going to use the D-BOX footage, it will most likely be the remastered footage or maybe the footage they received for the Cartoon Network broadcast.

Either way, it doesn't really matter, I feel that people who wanted too see Dragonball Z have already purchased the DVD's or have found other ways of acquiring it. Though it is nice for those who want to see certain scenes of episodes quickly, it is more convenient.
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Post by Choujin Daizenshuu » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:41 am

AgitoZ wrote:Actually Toei has "tested the waters" before with shows like Fist of The North Star, Pretty Cure, Slam Dunk, and Digimon Adventure Zero Two. Even allowing them to be downloaded, for a fee of course. But it ended with results Toei did not like and no home release being plan for such shows. This could be because they charged for the shows first (can't recall if streaming came first or later) or not enough popularity. Some shows weren't even completely subbed.
Oh, I remember that little business venture performed by Toei perfectly. The problem, at the time, was that Toei didn't bother doing their market research correctly and those who did pay for the downloads were met with sub-par quality video and questionable translations. If I paid for a show by the episode, I would expect quality and professionalism that could rival that of a professional fansubber. Needless to say, nobody wanted to put up with shit quality and Toei in the end was forced to back out of their own distribution methods. However, it didn't mean that Toei decided to just up and leave like a spoiled child. They eventually struck distribution deals with FUNimation and Crunchyroll for their content and allowed for free ad-supported streaming which worked out much better for both sides. While I do feel bad for the people who paid by the episode (and I can relate), in the end, everyone in R1 finally got the chance to watch great classics like Fist of the North Star, Captain Harlock, and Slam Dunk. I'm now the proud owner of the first TV volume set of Fist of the North Star that was put out by Discotek and I love every moment of it! :D

Now if only Slam Dunk gets its DVD set distribution deal, I'll be a happy camper. :)

Bottom line is that streams can really help get new fans into series which can lead to DVD sales. FUNimation doing this now for Dragon Ball can only mean more chances for DVD sales down the road. :)
Newer shows have more potential since they are the "hot thing" straight out of Japan, they have hype surrounding them, streaming these can increase that. Older shows might be more "hard to sell". I understand it's less risky to stream first for a potential market, but sometimes shows won't find that market and no plans for a release will be made. I'd rather just have them release the whole thing and be done with it. But I know it will never happen.
You can't expect wholesale exposure overnight. It takes time for shows to get recognized. I understand where you're coming from in terms of "older shows" being "too old" but I have a hard time buying that excuse. Quality entertainment is quality entertainment no matter the time period. Streams are a great way to show people what the show is like and if people like it, they'll pitch in for DVDs. Again, I stress the fact that it is more cost-effective this way since no excess production costs are being spent to get these series onto market with no guarantee that the discs will sell.
penguintruth wrote:I'd be curious to see whether they use the US broadcast music for the dub streaming or whether they've phased that out for this, too. Not that I'd be that interested either way, with the quality of the dub.
I wonder if "selectable" options for music and voices will be available as part of the streams? It's a stretch but you never know.
TripleRach wrote:There's also the fact that free streams aren't completely "free." They're supported by advertisements, purchased by American advertisers that only market domestically. Foreigners probably aren't going to buy the advertisers' products (if it's even possible for them to buy it), so why should companies spend money to advertise their products to people who probably won't be interested in them? (On that note, it adds another positive for DVD owners: You don't have to watch stupid commercials.)
The streams are free in the sense that the viewer doesn't have to pay.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:15 am

Sounds like awesome news if you ask me. I don't care for the Funi DVD releases, I'm happy with my Manga collection of DB at home along with my older DVD releases.
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Post by Mewzard » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:53 am

Like Choujin Daizenshuu, I own a Fist of the North Star Box Set (two of the four to be made, specifically). The first set was subbed and dubbed (all the dubbed episodes by Manga Entertainment), and the second set being sub only. It's less likely for uncut and subbed Digimon series due to Disney having the license now...which is a shame, because Digimon has some great music in Japanese (Kouji Wada!), among other things, and Xros Wars is no different.

As for the streaming news...I am somewhat excited. I do own all the Kai sets and Dragon Boxes that Funi has put out, but I do lack GT sets and original DB sets, so this would be a good time to rewatch some of the stuff I haven't seen in years. I was just going to wait for Dragon Boxes of them, but this is as good a time as any to re-check them out.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:14 am

Choujin Daizenshuu wrote:The streams are free in the sense that the viewer doesn't have to pay.
I pay. With seconds of my life. :P
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Post by TripleRach » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:19 am

Choujin Daizenshuu wrote:
TripleRach wrote:There's also the fact that free streams aren't completely "free." They're supported by advertisements, purchased by American advertisers that only market domestically. Foreigners probably aren't going to buy the advertisers' products (if it's even possible for them to buy it), so why should companies spend money to advertise their products to people who probably won't be interested in them? (On that note, it adds another positive for DVD owners: You don't have to watch stupid commercials.)
The streams are free in the sense that the viewer doesn't have to pay.
Well yes, but the point I was making is that FUNimation isn't just uploading videos out of the goodness of their heart and sticking their tongue out at other countries.
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Post by Choujin Daizenshuu » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:50 am

JulieYBM wrote:I pay. With seconds of my life. :P
At least you got plenty of those to spare. :)
TripleRach wrote:Well yes, but the point I was making is that FUNimation isn't just uploading videos out of the goodness of their heart and sticking their tongue out at other countries.
Oh, I knew what you meant. I just wanted to also clarify the point as to whom "free" really meant for. :)

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Post by Cipher » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:24 pm

Bardo117 wrote:This is only good to people who don't already own the series.
Nope. I own almost the entire series, but I'm still excited about this. It means I don't have to lug my Dragon Boxes to college for a Dragon Ball fix. I can leave my DVDs at home.

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Post by Big Momma » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:35 pm

Here's hoping Kai gets a Simulcast like One Piece.



...heck, maybe a miracle will happen and they're releasing one episode of dubbed Z a week because they're re~dubbing it :P




...okay, that's a looong stretch.
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Post by Ahiru77 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:52 pm

I don't care, it's not in my country anyway. Image










Nah seriously, this sounds neat so ehhh.....enjoy I guess. :mrgreen:

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Post by ssgOverlord » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:36 pm

Hm, this is kind of convenient for me. If I just want to quickly view a scene or get a picture without regards to quality, I can quickly do that without having to use my DVDs.

But for the generation who might remember DBZ and see it on Hulu, or the generation who might have curiosity in DBZ despite Kai, this is great. I hope it all works out for Funimation.
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Post by Castor Troy » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:12 pm

ssgOverlord wrote:Hm, this is kind of convenient for me. If I just want to quickly view a scene or get a picture without regards to quality, I can quickly do that without having to use my DVDs.
Knowing Hulu, you'll have to wait for commercials and also wait for the stream to load completely before you can skim the episodes.

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Post by Kendamu » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:53 pm

Neat! I have no clue why anyone who has access to this would find it to be a bad thing! I'm certainly excited for free, legal, streaming Dragonball anytime I want it. :D

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Post by Choujin Daizenshuu » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:19 pm

There is something I still need clarification on:

Will the episodes be dumped all at once or will they be uploaded one at a time per week? In addition, will the episodes be up permanently or will they be taken down after a certain period of time? :?:

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:22 pm

We don't know anything other than it's going to start with episode one of DBZ. As for how back-catalog stuff will go up (well... err... I guess the entire show is "back catalog"...), hopefully we'll get clarification on that sooner than later!
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