Most overrated characters in terms of power?

[Cipher]

Gohan may be a SSJ2 but he said that Broly have gotten stronger since the last time... And that is a weakened SSJ2 Gohan... If he would have faced the SSJ2 Gohan of the previous movie (having made him angry), I have the feeling Broly would have been ass-kicked...

At best then, it's just not cut-and-dry. It's definitely ridiculous to put him in the tier of high-level Buu arc characters, but a ballpark of "Super Saiyan 2" is fair. A lot of fans deny him even that.

[Fox666]

I always feel weird about the movies. They have a strange balance of power. But if you ask me, considering how the movies mirror the main series, I would rate Broli and Bojack as equals to Cell (and Bojack minions equal to the Cell Jr.).

[goldsaint13]

I always feel weird about the movies. They have a strange balance of power. But if you ask me, considering how the movies mirror the main series, I would rate Broli and Bojack as equals to Cell (and Bojack minions equal to the Cell Jr.).

That's right...


If Bojack is Cell, Broly is Cell in the first movie and Darbula in the second...

[goldsaint13]

At best then, it's just not cut-and-dry. It's definitely ridiculous to put him in the tier of high-level Buu arc characters, but a ballpark of "Super Saiyan 2" is fair. A lot of fans deny him even that.

They should ask themselves:


"A combined blow from the Cell Games Z-Fighters could have defeated SSJ3 Goku or even Vegetto (I can only laugh at this )?

If it does, why are they so worried about Cell? In case of defeat single-handed it would have been a joke to blast him to pieces combining power if their attack can kill a top-tier Buu's saga character...

[Nineteen]

To be honest, it seems to me like Androids 17 and 18 are, if not the most singularly overrated, then the characters who have the most 'inflationary' effect on the power levels of other characters.

Not to name names, but here's an example of what I'm talking about from another forum:

100% Frieza - 120,000,000
Super Saiyajin Gokou - 150,000,000
...
Android 17 - 700,000,000
Android 18 - 600,000,000
Android 16 - 900,000,000
Imperfect Cell - 800,000,00
Kamiccolo - 725,000,000
...
Semi-Perfect Cell - 1,500,000,000
Super Vegeta - 2,000,000,000

Because the poster (in my opinion) overrates the characters from the middle of the Android arc/the beginning of the Cell arc, he ends up with power levels that strike me as inflated long before one gets to Perfect Cell/Buu.

In other words: I hold Androids 16, 17, 18, Imperfect Cell, Semi-Perfect Cell, SSJ Grade II Vegeta and SSJ Grade III Trunks to all be within a range of two to five times as strong as 100% Freeza, no more and no less. I do not feel that anything else is supported by the narrative, and that that era of the Android/Cell saga, from 17s fight with Piccolo to Cells absorption of 18, is where 'power creepage' sets into our interpretations of the series.

[dbgtFO]

What are the sentences about him in the Guidebooks, beside the one saying he surpassed Vegeta and the others (including Goku ) after the training into the RoSaT?

The anime guidebook "Son Goku Densetsu" says SSJ Gotenks is stronger than Gohan(obviously pre ultimate), but nothing more. That and Daizenshuu 7's bio for him are the only times his power is directly compared to other characters(with the exception of Gohan). Of course this shits all over what Goku had previously established, namely Fat Buu < Gotenks, explaining my previous joke.

Anyway, Guidebooks have done enough for Gotenks saying that SSJ3 is simply SSJ1 x8... Since there's no way Goku could ever dream to match SSJ1 Gotenks as SSJ1, then the argument is gone for good...

I agree but the way the Daizenshuu 7 thing is worded, it makes it sound like that Gotenks only surpassed Vegeta, because he levelled up/transformed so much, meaning SSJ Gotenks = SSJ Vegeta < SSJ 2 Gotenks = SSJ 2 Vegeta < SSJ 3 Gotenks = SSJ 3 Goku??

Doubtful if it's supposed to be viewed that way though, since "the others" should include Goku as well if you ask me.
Meh.

Some people working at Toei Animation are 24-hours-a-day drunk I suppose...

I guess the main concern was to make the final battle way more dramatic than what it originally was, so they included those lines, so kids watching nationwide would be even more excited about it. They probably didn't think anyone would look at it that seriously.

[Fox666]

To be honest, it seems to me like Androids 17 and 18 are, if not the most singularly overrated, then the characters who have the most 'inflationary' effect on the power levels of other characters.

Not to name names, but here's an example of what I'm talking about from another forum:

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Because the poster (in my opinion) overrates the characters from the middle of the Android arc/the beginning of the Cell arc, he ends up with power levels that strike me as inflated long before one gets to Perfect Cell/Buu.

In other words: I hold Androids 16, 17, 18, Imperfect Cell, Semi-Perfect Cell, SSJ Grade II Vegeta and SSJ Grade III Trunks to all be within a range of two to five times as strong as 100% Freeza, no more and no less. I do not feel that anything else is supported by the narrative, and that that era of the Android/Cell saga, from 17s fight with Piccolo to Cells absorption of 18, is where 'power creepage' sets into our interpretations of the series.

Okay, I agree that the poster overrated the characters at the android saga. But I still believe you are underestimating a lot the level of characters at the Cell saga. The way I see it's more like this:
● no.17: 250,000,000 ● Imperfect Cell: 400,000,000 ● Semi-perfect Cell: 1,000,000,000 ● Perfect Cell: 4,000,000,000
But I stop now since I don't want to turn the thread in some shitty "battle power list" posting

[Rocketman]

Androids 16, 19 and 20 are definitely the most overrated, because they don't have power levels. If a scouter was turned on them, it would read a big fat zero.

17 and 18 are very close, as they only have power levels of around 4.

[Rostir]

Androids 16, 19 and 20 are definitely the most overrated, because they don't have power levels. If a scouter was turned on them, it would read a big fat zero.

17 and 18 are very close, as they only have power levels of around 4.

Because Scouters can't read the power levels of Androids?

[Nineteen]

Androids 16, 19 and 20 are definitely the most overrated, because they don't have power levels. If a scouter was turned on them, it would read a big fat zero.

17 and 18 are very close, as they only have power levels of around 4.

If I were to say, for example, that Android 18 is around 265,000,000, and Android 17 around 285,000,000, as I actually peg them, that doesn't mean that they actually have ki in their bodies. It's shorthand for saying "they have the equivalents of a battle power of 265,000,000 and 285,000,000, respectively".

[dbgtFO]

Androids 16, 19 and 20 are definitely the most overrated, because they don't have power levels. If a scouter was turned on them, it would read a big fat zero.

17 and 18 are very close, as they only have power levels of around 4.

Because Scouters can't read the power levels of Androids?

It's debatable, but we do know that scouters manufactured by Dr. Gero can detect their energy output. If the same applies to the scouters of Freeza's Empire is unknown, since they have never shown the capacity to scout the ki of a machine.

Though Rocketman's logic does seem weird...
Saying #16 is as strong as Cell(post absorption) cannot constitute as overrating him, because that's exactly how strong he is!
It doesn't matter that he doesn't have a detectable power level, he's still that strong.

It sounds more like a joke than anything.

[Fox666]

If Cyborg Tao Pai Pai can have a battle power, I don't see why not no.17 and 18. Perhaps a Scouter also would pick a value lower than 210 for Tao Pai Pai, and that's just equivalent of Ki.

At least no.17 and 18 shouldn't be such a problem to have an equivalent to battle power. Since it seems their generator works based on Ki, even if nobody can atually detect them. They can fire blasts from their hands, use special techniques (i.e. kienzan), besides the Daizenshuu lists all the other androids besides them as working based on anti-gravity (in other words no.17 and 18 use Bukunjutsu).

but we do know that scouters manufactured by Dr. Gero can detect their energy output.

Are you sure? I only remember he saying that no.19 maximized his potential with Goku's energy, but that could just be based on observation.

[Rocketman]

Because Scouters can't read the power levels of Androids?

Scouters read ki. Androids don't have ki (aside from whatever little bit 17/18's organic parts make).

It sounds more like a joke than anything.

A bit. More a comment on power levels, since they go off of scouter readings.

[Fox666]

Well, technically the Scouter measure someone's Ki, so no.16 don't have a "battle power". You can't measure it the same way you can't tell what is the battle power of a handgun or a tank.

[Rostir]

Androids 16, 19 and 20 are definitely the most overrated, because they don't have power levels. If a scouter was turned on them, it would read a big fat zero.

17 and 18 are very close, as they only have power levels of around 4.

Because Scouters can't read the power levels of Androids?

It's debatable, but we do know that scouters manufactured by Dr. Gero can detect their energy output. If the same applies to the scouters of Freeza's Empire is unknown, since they have never shown the capacity to scout the ki of a machine.

Though Rocketman's logic does seem weird...
Saying #16 is as strong as Cell(post absorption) cannot constitute as overrating him, because that's exactly how strong he is!
It doesn't matter that he doesn't have a detectable power level, he's still that strong.

It sounds more like a joke than anything.

Then I question if powerlevels really hold any relevance. How can you create an entire list based off of a powerlevel Frieza was in his first transformation?

Because Scouters can't read the power levels of Androids?

Scouters read ki. Androids don't have ki (aside from whatever little bit 17/18's organic parts make).

I see.

[Nineteen]

Because Scouters can't read the power levels of Androids?

Scouters read ki. Androids don't have ki (aside from whatever little bit 17/18's organic parts make).

It sounds more like a joke than anything.

A bit. More a comment on power levels, since they go off of scouter readings.

Androids do, however, have set strengths that can be regarded as the equivalent of a certain amount of ki energy in an organic fighter.

[Fox666]

Well, with a handgun you can easily defeat someone with a battle power of 5, with a Tank you can counter a battle power of 10. With a robot-like machine you can fight someone with a battle power of 100. Still noone of these objects have a "battle power" or even what you may call an equivalent.

[Nineteen]

Well, with a handgun you can easily defeat someone with a battle power of 5, with a Tank you can counter a battle power of 10. With a robot-like machine you can fight someone with a battle power of 100. Still noone of these objects have a "battle power" or even what you may call an equivalent.

But they all have equivalents. The handgun can't kill someone with a battle power of 100. The robot-like machine can't kill someone with a battle power of a few thousand. I believe that the androids can't kill someone around three or four times maxed-out Freeza's strength, and would probably get curbed if they tried (that's Semi-Perfect Cell territory, imo).

[dbgtFO]

but we do know that scouters manufactured by Dr. Gero can detect their energy output.

Are you sure? I only remember he saying that no.19 maximized his potential with Goku's energy, but that could just be based on observation.

That and Dr. Gero comparing Goku's SSJ strength to theirs and #16 directly comparing Cell's strength to android strength has led me to believe that their scouters can detect the energy output of the energy generators.
But if there's some better in-universe explanation it'd be appreciated.

[Fox666]

I guess they simply have data about the other androids level.