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Re: STOP SOPA NOW!

Post by Attitudefan » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:53 pm

I don't think it is something related to ideology. The copyright holders have plenty of money to induce some political figures
Oh but it is. The Government has to dance around the corporations to pass anything as they have the say and not the leaders themselves which end up misrepresenting the country's needs.

Watch CGPGrey, he has some good videos on this kind of stuff.

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Post by DanielGClapp » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:15 pm

Attitudefan wrote:Maybe Westerners should be more like the Arabs, no?
I don't know about any one else, but I definitely don't want anything to with with the Islamic culture and Sharia Law.

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Post by Chuquita » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:28 pm

The internet is so massively intertwined with pop culture (example: earlier today I saw a department store ad on TV that parodied Rebecca Black's "Friday". Or for something older, how about a few Thanksgivings ago where the Macy's Day Parade featured a live Rickroll.) that I just can't see this passing without a backlash so enormous from the public that could have potential to rival some of the things that went on during the prohibition era in the U.S. when alcohol was temporarily illegal.


The internet as it exists now is so central to daily life; especially for younger people. So many people of all ages use it to express themselves, to relax, to vent.

These companies can't go back to "before the internet" no matter how much they want. It's the whole trying-to-put-the-genie-back-in-the-bottle thing. People don't like being patronized and they don't like being censored. Censorship is scary, it's a slippery slope.

I mean, can you imagine an internet that contains nothing with the exception of official company websites? No forums, nowhere to upload your own content, no social networks and no social-related abilities at all?

Really hoping this thing doesn't make it. I don't want to lose the internet.
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Re: STOP SOPA NOW!

Post by Saiga » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:29 pm

CaBrPi wrote:THIS is why we need a clean sweep of the Government.
I can't see that ending well. Any new system will probably just be not well thought out enough and make things worse.

Don't blame the system, blame the people who abuse it.
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Post by CaBrPi » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:32 pm

Saiga wrote:
CaBrPi wrote:THIS is why we need a clean sweep of the Government.
I can't see that ending well. Any new system will probably just be not well thought out enough and make things worse.

Don't blame the system, blame the people who abuse it.
I didn't mean replacing the system, but the people in it.

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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:37 pm

Sheesh, and I thought the 3 strike law in NZ was bad. :? Haven't they realized that copyright infringing makes up half of the Internet?

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Post by Krycek7o2 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:44 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Sheesh, and I thought the 3 strike law in NZ was bad. :? Haven't they realized that copyright infringing makes up half of the Internet?
The music industry tried, they failed and lost billions. And so has Hollywood. Why not take out the source of piracy in one fell swoop? No matter what, piracy will continue. This is all about control and of course, money!

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Post by samuraix123 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:27 am

This better not affect Daizenshuu EX, Because that's the only thing I really use the Internet for anymore. This is the best community on the Internet. And I'll be damned if he get's shut down. Pretty much to hell with the Internet if this site goes down.
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Post by Bussani » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:27 am

Fox666 wrote:Which probably is not. I bet it is just a case of the government being financiated by private parties.
Well, I do think ensuring right-holders have ways to protect their intellectual property is a good cause...but this is definitely not the way to go about it. How are we meant to sympathise with them and their rights when they clearly don't give a damn about everyone else's?
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Post by Kendamu » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:03 am

Wasn't there a scare like this last year, too?

Not saying it's not legitimate. Last year we probably stopped them with movements just like this one. It's just interesting that I'm kind of seeing a pattern here; a pattern of, "Let's just keep trying to destroy the Internet once a year. Maybe they won't notice after awhile."

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Post by Bussani » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:18 am

Kendamu wrote:Wasn't there a scare like this last year, too?

Not saying it's not legitimate. Last year we probably stopped them with movements just like this one. It's just interesting that I'm kind of seeing a pattern here; a pattern of, "Let's just keep trying to destroy the Internet once a year. Maybe they won't notice after awhile."
There was the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act in 2010, which failed and came back this year as the PROTECT IP Act...which I think is even worse. In case it hasn't been mentioned already, it's not only SOPA that we have to worry about, but PROTECT IP as well.
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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:26 am

Another question; if this applies only to American companies, what does anything Dragonball based in the States really have to fear? As it is, the only thing Funimation attacks are straight uploads on Youtube and such. There hasn't been any recent hostilities towards Abridged or fansites that I can remember.
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Re: STOP SOPA NOW!

Post by kemuri07 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:44 am

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Another question; if this applies only to American companies, what does anything Dragonball based in the States really have to fear? As it is, the only thing Funimation attacks are straight uploads on Youtube and such. There hasn't been any recent hostilities towards Abridged or fansites that I can remember.
Didn't Funimation initially take down DBZ abridged?

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Post by Gonstead » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:48 am

kemuri07 wrote:
BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Another question; if this applies only to American companies, what does anything Dragonball based in the States really have to fear? As it is, the only thing Funimation attacks are straight uploads on Youtube and such. There hasn't been any recent hostilities towards Abridged or fansites that I can remember.
Didn't Funimation initially take down DBZ abridged?
I believe it was Toei who originally took down DBZ Abridged.
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Post by Godo » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:01 am

DanielGClapp wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:Maybe Westerners should be more like the Arabs, no?
I don't know about any one else, but I definitely don't want anything to with with the Islamic culture and Sharia Law.
Arab is not synonymous with Islam and Islamic countries do not always rule by Sharia Law. There are also Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs. I just want to make that clear since it seems that many Westerners have a confusion regarding this.

And if we think about the Arab countries and their situation there regarding richness and free will; I bet that there won't be long to when the situation is the same in the west, as democracy is being killed to be able to obtain profit for corporations. This bill is one of those situations.

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Post by SHINOBI-03 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:33 am

I wonder... the one who made out this bill... he can't use the internet and that's why he wants to ban it from everyone in the world :mrgreen: !
I mean, c'mon... don't tell me he's someone in such a high position and does not use internet! Everyone uses internet. The Prime Minister of the UAE uses Facebook to communicate with the low-mid class. What would happen if the US banned Facebook?!
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Attitudefan wrote:Maybe Westerners should be more like the Arabs, no?
I don't know about any one else, but I definitely don't want anything to with with the Islamic culture and Sharia Law.
Arab is not synonymous with Islam and Islamic countries do not always rule by Sharia Law. There are also Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs. I just want to make that clear since it seems that many Westerners have a confusion regarding this.

And if we think about the Arab countries and their situation there regarding richness and free will; I bet that there won't be long to when the situation is the same in the west, as democracy is being killed to be able to obtain profit for corporations. This bill is one of those situations.
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Post by Attitudefan » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:06 am

DanielGClapp wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:Maybe Westerners should be more like the Arabs, no?
I don't know about any one else, but I definitely don't want anything to with with the Islamic culture and Sharia Law.
What I meant was to stand up for one's belief's and not be crushed by others oppression!
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Post by jda95 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:37 am

I am going to completely agree with Google's Eric Schmidt: this bill is beyond draconian. I understand that parents want to protect their children from much of the questionable content of the internet. I understand the concern of companies who are slowly losing millions of dollars as internet piracy causes consumers to shy away from actually purchasing their products. But this bill is so far over the line that its gonna send the state of free speech in the world back into the dark ages. The United States was created on a foundation of freedom (yes, I'm pulling out that card) and censorship, especially online, of this caliber can not be tolerated. The internet is not something that big business can just go "yeah, we don't like the direction this is going it, let's start again." For better or worse, it is what it is, and it needs to be protected at all costs.

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Post by Rukura » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:00 am

Gonstead wrote:BAD NEWS GUYS!

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We're screwed :C
That seems so stereotypically politican. "We'll let you voice your opinion....as long as you don't have anything bad to say."

That. is. fucked.
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