Who do you count as main antagonist?

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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by peterx » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:41 am

If you count GT then I would say its the Shadow Dragons and their boss Yi Shen Long (final transformation).
Every wish from DB's lead up to the birth of negative energy...
And DB's are the MAIN theme of the three DB series, so an evil dragon could be the perfect villain to this manga/anime! :)
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by GreggMays64 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:07 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
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Attitudefan wrote:Come on, Commander Red did nothing! He got killed by a lowly servant plus, Goku never even touched Red!
Neither did did Empereor Pilaf. Plus, he was the main threat the whole time. It wasn't like with Babidi or Android 20.
Goku fought him in Uranai Baba arc.
Pilaf wasn't even the main villain at that point. After his arc, he became as relevant as Team Rocket. Commander Red was the one behind it all, and he was the one who was truly a main threat to Goku. Assistant Black was simply the last guy Goku fought.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:41 pm

But, Red literally didn't do shit to him. It was all the lower-downs.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:16 am

I would consider Black as the main antagonist of the arc but not of the series as a whole. When You think Dragonball, you think Freeza, Piccolo Daimao, Vegeta.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by Daimakku » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:23 am

Well, it seems the Red Ribbon army has been the most pain in the ass for Goku throughout the whole franchise. Not only did they give him trouble in Dragonball, but it's also thanks to them (mainly Dr. Gero, but he's part of the RR Army) that Androids #17, #18 and Cell exist.. and don't forget Super 17 in GT. And Baby if you count Dr. Gero as taking part of his creation.

So yeah, Red Ribbon Army.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by NeoKING » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:27 am

Daimakku wrote: And Baby if you count Dr. Gero as taking part of his creation.

Hm? Explain, if you will.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:07 pm

Attitudefan wrote:I would consider Black as the main antagonist of the arc
Even though he only became the leader of the Red Ribbon Army until after he killed Red? Up until then, he was just the second-in-command.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:20 pm

But Black was the final opponent, the final boss. He fought the final battle with Goku.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:22 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But Black was the final opponent, the final boss. He fought the final battle with Goku.
Yes, but he only became the final boss when he killed Red. Beforehand, the mastermind behind the whole operation (i.e. the majority of the arc) was Red, and Black just replaced him right at the very end.
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Re: Who do you count as main antagonist?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:59 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:I would consider Black as the main antagonist of the arc
Even though he only became the leader of the Red Ribbon Army until after he killed Red? Up until then, he was just the second-in-command.
Agreed. Black as a final boss really has no bearing on whether he was the true antagonist. Up until that point, all he had done was stand behind Red and make absolutely no decisions of his own. Nothing that happened to Goku before that had anything to do with Black, his actions, his goals, or his decisions. It was all Red.
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