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[CatouttaHell]

^ Are you the same Gojirason from MFG?

[In Brightest Day]

So Trunks, Goten, Android #18 & Gohan are all equal. Good to know.

[Kaboom]

If we're to take all that at face value, then Trunks would actually be STRONGER than Gohan, given he was also stronger than Goten. Which is rather hard to believe, hence why I think it's best to take this stuff with a grain of salt.

[Hitiro]

This is really a silly topic, clearly looking at the mentality of Piccolo it is very unlikely that he just decided to stop training all of a sudden. Even Tien who knows he's dwarfed by the powerlevels of the other characters was still training well after the Cell games. They are all martial artists and apart from a few exceptions of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Krillin and Yamcha, they all aspire to obtaining their best possible strength they can achieve. We know that nobody really see's Tien after the Cell saga because he is in fact a well seasoned martial artist who will keep training no matter the fact that he is clearly weak compared to the Saiyan's and Piccolo. The same can be said for Piccolo, he is a martial artist who will always spend his time improving even though he has no chance of catching up with the Saiyan's.

[Michsi]

And yet there a plenty of people who think he acted a bit too unlike himself in the Buu Saga. Giving up when he faced the Kaioshin, panicing because of the Lookout.....one can argue it's because of the Buu Saga took a more humouros tone or that his character "developed" a little more over time, but I'm have questions what it actually was that caused this so called development, when some, myself included, think that in some instances he acted more like Kami than what we knew of Piccolo.

[asbereth]

And yet there a plenty of people who think he acted a bit too unlike himself in the Buu Saga. Giving up when he faced the Kaioshin, panicing because of the Lookout.....one can argue it's because of the Buu Saga took a more humouros tone or that his character "developed" a little more over time, but I'm have questions what it actually was that caused this so called development, when some, myself included, think that in some instances he acted more like Kami than what we knew of Piccolo.

I actually wouldn't consider giving up against Kaio-shin that out-of-character for Piccolo. Remember that he (or at least, part of him) used to be the God of earth, so it's not that far-fetched that he would forfeit against the God of the gods of the gods purely out of respect (at this point, he thought that Shin was Dai-Kaio). I do believe though that Kaio-shin is indeed more powerful than Piccolo, though if that was the only reason, I think Piccolo would still be willing to continue the fight (he joined the tournament anyway, despite him knowing that Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were all much more powerful than he was).

[Fox666]

From Daizenshuu:

Hearing that his opponent is the Kaioshin, Piccolo's body goes stiff.

Piccolo's attitude quickly became humble. Is this an effect of having fused with God?

[Kaboom]

So basically, typically Piccolo would at least try to fight, but his fearful respect for Kaioshin's position was what tensed him up and caused him to back down? That makes sense I suppose.

[Michsi]

I actually wouldn't consider giving up against Kaio-shin that out-of-character for Piccolo. Remember that he (or at least, part of him) used to be the God of earth, so it's not that far-fetched that he would forfeit against the God of the gods of the gods purely out of respect (at this point, he thought that Shin was Dai-Kaio). I do believe though that Kaio-shin is indeed more powerful than Piccolo, though if that was the only reason, I think Piccolo would still be willing to continue the fight (he joined the tournament anyway, despite him knowing that Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were all much more powerful than he was).

Well that was my point, that it was his fusion with Kami that caused this change in him, meaning it wasn't natural and the un-fused Piccolo would have atleast tried to put up a fight.
Compare this to how he acted towards King Kai, who was the most important deity in the story ar that point.

From Daizenshuu:

Hearing that his opponent is the Kaioshin, Piccolo's body goes stiff.

Piccolo's attitude quickly became humble. Is this an effect of having fused with God?
From Daizenshuu:

Hearing that his opponent is the Kaioshin, Piccolo's body goes stiff.

Piccolo's attitude quickly became humble. Is this an effect of having fused with God?

Oh, so it's more than just speculation now? I didn't think the guides said anything about this.

Continuing this idea, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that due to Kami, his love for fighting and desire to be strong mellowed out in time. Dedicating you life to martial arts doesn't necessarily mean that you train like crazy every waking moment. But that's pretty much what Goku and Vegeta do and that's what Piccolo used to do too. His ambition and eagerness was pretty much on par with that of the saiyans until his last fusion. I think Krillin even said it: He is just like the saiyans, he wants to be stronger (I hope I'm remembering this right.)

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

This means that even if Piccolo is still far stronger than their base forms but trailing behind them as Super Saiyans, as he was portrayed at the Cell Games, the escalating upper limits of their transformed power still makes him seem like "trash" in comparison.

This is how I interpreted his Cell games ability; you don't become total cannon fodder after training a year in the Room with a similar regimen to the Saiyans when you're already noticeably stronger than the basic Super Saiyan going in. Perfect Cell just had so much hidden power that ended it up not being particularly useful- as did Vegeta, Trunks, and ultimately Goku.

As for the Buu Saga, I always explained as Super Saiyin 2 and gravity training creating a divide Piccolo simply couldn't cross due to Saiyan's fighting-bred anatomy, while Kaioshin was tricked by his prejudices about mortals and power suppression. Nothing special about it. He no doubt continued to train, he just saw the writing on the wall.

Goku couldn't train with 40 tons in the afterlife which is the weight of a cargo truck. However during the training with Kame-sennin, Goku and Kuririn could move a giant rock which probably is over 10,000 tons.

Gravity difference+Fatigue.

I'm going to have to go with "It's pre-Z, it's not technical".

They're constantly regraded as strong for their age, because they're implausibly strong for their age really.

That's all there's ever really been to the kids; you can't quantify 8-year old Super Saiyan Trunks being anything comparable to #18 when his life-long warrior Super Saiyan father was brutalized by her, even factoring in Trunk's messing around in the gravity. They're overpowered by plot.

[Saiga]

I'd like to point out that the reason Piccolo trained was because there was always somebody he needed to train for - first Goku... than Goku again... than the Saiyans... than Freeza (6 days but still)... than the Androids... than Cell. After that he didn't have a reason to train, so maybe he didn't want to.

[Michsi]

I'd like to point out that the reason Piccolo trained was because there was always somebody he needed to train for - first Goku... than Goku again... than the Saiyans... than Freeza (6 days but still)... than the Androids... than Cell. After that he didn't have a reason to train, so maybe he didn't want to.

Not necessarily. During that time between Namek and Freeza's arrival on earth, we see him training and the discussion between him and Gohan confirms he had been training hard, even though there was no enemy to look forward too.

[Fox666]

Perhaps he still tought of Goku and Vegeta as potential rivals or something.

[Michsi]

Maybe, maybe not. But as I said, it all comes down to his mindset. He didn't want to be weaker than either of them. After he fused, he stopped caring.

[Fox666]

It's ironic to think that merging with Kami didn't served him much, he couldn't stop the androids neither prevent Cell from getting at them.

And Piccolo managed to get many times stronger than he was after training in the Room of Space and Time, a result much better than merging with Kami. Who knows if he didn't lost his desire to get stronger he wouldn't eventually be stronger than he is now even if he didn't merged with Kami?

[Michsi]

Bias aside, I'm sure he could. He proved it, that he could keep up with saiyans and ssj with training.

And yes, I also saw the irony, but him fusing was pretty much inevitable. Kami was old and would have eventually died of old age. If Piccolo didn't want to die with him, this was the only way.

Edit: Well that, or have Kami wish for his youth back , but I can see him do that. (but Piccolo could do that for him )

[Kaboom]

I get the feeling Piccolo probably did end up chilling out because of subtle mental influence from Kami, and may have gotten somewhat complacent during those 7 years. He might have even been fooled into thinking that Gohan could be counted on as Earth's primary protector after the Cell Games, and we all know how that turned out!

Shoot, come to think of it, if Piccolo had trained more, he could very well have been a much better match for Dabra than Gohan was. An even battle between Piccolo and Dabra... now THAT'S something for the "Versus" thread.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And yet there a plenty of people who think he acted a bit too unlike himself in the Buu Saga. Giving up when he faced the Kaioshin, panicing because of the Lookout.....one can argue it's because of the Buu Saga took a more humouros tone or that his character "developed" a little more over time, but I'm have questions what it actually was that caused this so called development, when some, myself included, think that in some instances he acted more like Kami than what we knew of Piccolo.

It was a contrived bullshit plot device to further hype the Kaioshin. Similar to Gohan showing off by going SSj2, when Kibito had only asked him to go SSj. It was an excuse for Spopovich and Yamu to jump in and absorb his power.

I think the thing with God's Palace was for comedic purposes, but even still, Piccolo forfeiting against Kaioshin on the basis of "He can read my mind; he could be the Dai Kaioshin!" is still grating. Yeah, Piccolo has God inside him and all that, but he didn't really appear to change that much after the merging and practically returned to his normal self after his first fight with Cell. It's just ridiculous that Piccolo would not only forfeit on something as thin as "he's a weird guy with power" and "he's a mind-reader, so he could be the Dai Kaioshin", but not even try to fight him first to test his power.

Anyway, I think he still trained in the 7 years after Cell. It doesn't seem like it's in Piccolo's mentality to just stop training because there was peace, and the only people outright stated and/or suggested to have stopped training by the Boo arc were Gohan, Kuririn and maybe Yamcha.

[Fox666]

God's palace could still serve for some purposes, such as hiding in that other dimension, the RoSaT and as a portal for the afterlife. Not that it would work against Boo at the point...

[Piccolo Daimao]

God's palace could still serve for some purposes, such as hiding in that other dimension, the RoSaT and as a portal for the afterlife. Not that it would work against Boo at the point...

Yeah, that's true. But I think it was a gag scene, what with Gotenks being preoccupied with Boo while Piccolo was still startled at the state of the palace.