End of Planet Vegeta....

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:41 pm

Xyex wrote:You just don't get it, do you? *ehem* The fact that they CANNOT occur within the cannon storyline is the DEFINITION of AU. It doesn't matter WHAT you think. The fact stands they ARE AU. There's no way around it.

If you're saying that by definition, stories that cannot occur within the primary storyline are called AU, then yes you would call the movies AU. I was just saying that you wouldn't literally assume that the movies take place in a whole other world, just because their stories are separate from the tv series, because then, like MajinVegeta25 said, Goku could end up being Turles' brother, or Vegeta could have a sister, or Grandpa Gohan never died, etc.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:03 pm

Okay, I see a few things wrong with your opinon. The Garlic Jr. saga didn't happen 10 years after Movie 1, that was a dub change in it's first episode, it in FACT happened 10 months after the defeat of Freeza;

From the Japanese version: {Narrator:} It's only been ten months since the vigorous battle with Freeza.
Another crisis comes.

So there ya go, the Garlic Jr. saga can happen, but your only going by the dub, also the Dead Zone is probably like the Room of Spirit and Time, it probably has a longer time span in it due to it being a different realm. Also, is it ever stated that Mystic Gohan would still be stronger than 100% SSJ3 Goku? I don't think it was, please show me if it was stated in any Daizenshuu, Goku proved in movie 13 that the 100% is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Concerning GT, why couldn't it be considered anime canon? Toriyama did character designs for the first half of the series, and the ending to the series was much better than Z's in which Toriyama left it at a tad of a cliffhanger, whilst GT left it at the viewers' own interprutation; did Goku live through the ordeal with Shenron, was that truly him, a ghost maybe? Some people didn't like the idea of Toei leaving the viewers to interprut, I personaly loved the aspect. The last GT episode was truly IMO, the BEST episode ever of the trilogy and I dare anyone of you to watch the Japanese version of it and try to tell me any different.

You're wrong. It's NOT a dub line. It's in the original that it's been 10 years since Gohan defeated Garlic Jr. Even aside from that, how do you account for the fact that Krillin knew Gohan in movie 1 but not the series? And how about the fact that Goku and Piccolo were shocked at Gohan's power both in the movie and in the series, having never seen it before in either instance?

And it's shown clearly in the series that SSJ3 Goku is weaker than Mystic Gohan. Mystic Gohan was far superior to Super Buu 1. Goku said that even at full power he'd not stand a chance against Super Buu. So, there you have it.

If you're saying that by definition, stories that cannot occur within the primary storyline are called AU, then yes you would call the movies AU. I was just saying that you wouldn't literally assume that the movies take place in a whole other world, just because their stories are separate from the tv series, because then, like MajinVegeta25 said, Goku could end up being Turles' brother, or Vegeta could have a sister, or Grandpa Gohan never died, etc.

Ummmm, yes, you would. The fact they're impossible to occur within the same universe obviously indicates to anyone with intelligence that they're AU. I mean, it's just that simple and obvious...

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:08 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote: The last GT episode was truly IMO, the BEST episode ever of the trilogy and I dare anyone of you to watch the Japanese version of it and try to tell me any different.

I've seen the Japanese version and I can tell you different. I agree that it's a touching ending, but I didn't think it was the best ever in the trilogy. As you yourself said, what you gave is your opinion which is a biased statement, therefore it added nothing to prove your point and has no place in this debate.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:25 pm

Xyex wrote:
If you're saying that by definition, stories that cannot occur within the primary storyline are called AU, then yes you would call the movies AU. I was just saying that you wouldn't literally assume that the movies take place in a whole other world, just because their stories are separate from the tv series, because then, like MajinVegeta25 said, Goku could end up being Turles' brother, or Vegeta could have a sister, or Grandpa Gohan never died, etc.
Ummmm, yes, you would. The fact they're impossible to occur within the same universe obviously indicates to anyone with intelligence that they're AU. I mean, it's just that simple and obvious...

I suppose that's where you and I differ. You seem to be taking the meaning of AU literally, and trying to hold Dragonball, and the way of tv/movies in general, to the laws of physics in the real world.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:15 pm

It's simple. They're different takes on the storyline. Alternate universe? Possibly. Alrighty then.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:18 pm

MyVisionity wrote:
Xyex wrote:
If you're saying that by definition, stories that cannot occur within the primary storyline are called AU, then yes you would call the movies AU. I was just saying that you wouldn't literally assume that the movies take place in a whole other world, just because their stories are separate from the tv series, because then, like MajinVegeta25 said, Goku could end up being Turles' brother, or Vegeta could have a sister, or Grandpa Gohan never died, etc.
Ummmm, yes, you would. The fact they're impossible to occur within the same universe obviously indicates to anyone with intelligence that they're AU. I mean, it's just that simple and obvious...
I suppose that's where you and I differ. You seem to be taking the meaning of AU literally, and trying to hold Dragonball, and the way of tv/movies in general, to the laws of physics in the real world.

Alternate universes don't have to vary by the amount you were talking about.

The movies have small divergences for the most part, but they're still alternate, just like a movie that had Grandpa Gohan still alive.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:35 pm

Xyex wrote:
Okay, I see a few things wrong with your opinon. The Garlic Jr. saga didn't happen 10 years after Movie 1, that was a dub change in it's first episode, it in FACT happened 10 months after the defeat of Freeza;

From the Japanese version: {Narrator:} It's only been ten months since the vigorous battle with Freeza.
Another crisis comes.

So there ya go, the Garlic Jr. saga can happen, but your only going by the dub, also the Dead Zone is probably like the Room of Spirit and Time, it probably has a longer time span in it due to it being a different realm. Also, is it ever stated that Mystic Gohan would still be stronger than 100% SSJ3 Goku? I don't think it was, please show me if it was stated in any Daizenshuu, Goku proved in movie 13 that the 100% is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Concerning GT, why couldn't it be considered anime canon? Toriyama did character designs for the first half of the series, and the ending to the series was much better than Z's in which Toriyama left it at a tad of a cliffhanger, whilst GT left it at the viewers' own interprutation; did Goku live through the ordeal with Shenron, was that truly him, a ghost maybe? Some people didn't like the idea of Toei leaving the viewers to interprut, I personaly loved the aspect. The last GT episode was truly IMO, the BEST episode ever of the trilogy and I dare anyone of you to watch the Japanese version of it and try to tell me any different.
You're wrong. It's NOT a dub line. It's in the original that it's been 10 years since Gohan defeated Garlic Jr. Even aside from that, how do you account for the fact that Krillin knew Gohan in movie 1 but not the series? And how about the fact that Goku and Piccolo were shocked at Gohan's power both in the movie and in the series, having never seen it before in either instance?

And it's shown clearly in the series that SSJ3 Goku is weaker than Mystic Gohan. Mystic Gohan was far superior to Super Buu 1. Goku said that even at full power he'd not stand a chance against Super Buu. So, there you have it.

If you're saying that by definition, stories that cannot occur within the primary storyline are called AU, then yes you would call the movies AU. I was just saying that you wouldn't literally assume that the movies take place in a whole other world, just because their stories are separate from the tv series, because then, like MajinVegeta25 said, Goku could end up being Turles' brother, or Vegeta could have a sister, or Grandpa Gohan never died, etc.
Ummmm, yes, you would. The fact they're impossible to occur within the same universe obviously indicates to anyone with intelligence that they're AU. I mean, it's just that simple and obvious...

http://dbzoa.net/pd/pd108.txt A script for the first Garlic Jr. saga episode translated from the Japanese version, now please tell me what the Narrator is saying. I don't know what sub translated the Narrator's line as "10 years" since Garlic was locked up, but it was freakin 10 months since the defeat of Freeza on Namek.

http://dbzoa.net/dbzu/dbzep108.html Here's a aomparison editorial to help support my point of that episode.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:57 pm

You're still ignoring the other discrepancies in Movie 1 that were pointed out to you. Whether or not it was 10 years or 10 months is irrelevant. The movie still couldn't fit because of the numerous reasons that were already pointed out.

And while we're at it with showing articles, here's a scan of and article on DBZ from a 2000 issue of Animerica I own. I might add a more reputable source of than DBZOA that while info may be correct, they've often given themselves the reputation of being idiots.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:00 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Xyex wrote:
Okay, I see a few things wrong with your opinon. The Garlic Jr. saga didn't happen 10 years after Movie 1, that was a dub change in it's first episode, it in FACT happened 10 months after the defeat of Freeza;

From the Japanese version: {Narrator:} It's only been ten months since the vigorous battle with Freeza.
Another crisis comes.

So there ya go, the Garlic Jr. saga can happen, but your only going by the dub, also the Dead Zone is probably like the Room of Spirit and Time, it probably has a longer time span in it due to it being a different realm. Also, is it ever stated that Mystic Gohan would still be stronger than 100% SSJ3 Goku? I don't think it was, please show me if it was stated in any Daizenshuu, Goku proved in movie 13 that the 100% is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Concerning GT, why couldn't it be considered anime canon? Toriyama did character designs for the first half of the series, and the ending to the series was much better than Z's in which Toriyama left it at a tad of a cliffhanger, whilst GT left it at the viewers' own interprutation; did Goku live through the ordeal with Shenron, was that truly him, a ghost maybe? Some people didn't like the idea of Toei leaving the viewers to interprut, I personaly loved the aspect. The last GT episode was truly IMO, the BEST episode ever of the trilogy and I dare anyone of you to watch the Japanese version of it and try to tell me any different.
You're wrong. It's NOT a dub line. It's in the original that it's been 10 years since Gohan defeated Garlic Jr. Even aside from that, how do you account for the fact that Krillin knew Gohan in movie 1 but not the series? And how about the fact that Goku and Piccolo were shocked at Gohan's power both in the movie and in the series, having never seen it before in either instance?

And it's shown clearly in the series that SSJ3 Goku is weaker than Mystic Gohan. Mystic Gohan was far superior to Super Buu 1. Goku said that even at full power he'd not stand a chance against Super Buu. So, there you have it.

If you're saying that by definition, stories that cannot occur within the primary storyline are called AU, then yes you would call the movies AU. I was just saying that you wouldn't literally assume that the movies take place in a whole other world, just because their stories are separate from the tv series, because then, like MajinVegeta25 said, Goku could end up being Turles' brother, or Vegeta could have a sister, or Grandpa Gohan never died, etc.
Ummmm, yes, you would. The fact they're impossible to occur within the same universe obviously indicates to anyone with intelligence that they're AU. I mean, it's just that simple and obvious...

http://dbzoa.net/pd/pd108.txt A script for the first Garlic Jr. saga episode translated from the Japanese version, now please tell me what the Narrator is saying. I don't know what sub translated the Narrator's line as "10 years" since Garlic was locked up, but it was freakin 10 months since the defeat of Freeza on Namek.

http://dbzoa.net/dbzu/dbzep108.html Here's a aomparison editorial to help support my point of that episode.

Answer me this, when did I say the narrator said it? Hell, when did I say it was in the first episode?

And, er, DBZOA...

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:08 pm

Xyex wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:
Xyex wrote: You're wrong. It's NOT a dub line. It's in the original that it's been 10 years since Gohan defeated Garlic Jr. Even aside from that, how do you account for the fact that Krillin knew Gohan in movie 1 but not the series? And how about the fact that Goku and Piccolo were shocked at Gohan's power both in the movie and in the series, having never seen it before in either instance?

And it's shown clearly in the series that SSJ3 Goku is weaker than Mystic Gohan. Mystic Gohan was far superior to Super Buu 1. Goku said that even at full power he'd not stand a chance against Super Buu. So, there you have it.
Ummmm, yes, you would. The fact they're impossible to occur within the same universe obviously indicates to anyone with intelligence that they're AU. I mean, it's just that simple and obvious...

http://dbzoa.net/pd/pd108.txt A script for the first Garlic Jr. saga episode translated from the Japanese version, now please tell me what the Narrator is saying. I don't know what sub translated the Narrator's line as "10 years" since Garlic was locked up, but it was freakin 10 months since the defeat of Freeza on Namek.

http://dbzoa.net/dbzu/dbzep108.html Here's a aomparison editorial to help support my point of that episode.
Answer me this, when did I say the narrator said it? Hell, when did I say it was in the first episode?

And, er, DBZOA...

DBZOA is questionable in its actions, Xyex, but their information isn't wrong by default.

It absolutely cannot have been 10 years since Garlic Jr. was sealed, since, going by Gohan's look, he should've been 3 or 4 at the time, it's been about 10 months since Freeza was killed, and about 2, 3 years since Raditz appeared. So basically, Garlic Jr. was defeated 4, 5 years ago, tops.

Garlic, on the other hand, has been sealed for around 300 years.

This doesn't really add to the arguement, but I'm just clearing it up.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:16 pm

B-kun wrote:
Xyex wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:
http://dbzoa.net/pd/pd108.txt A script for the first Garlic Jr. saga episode translated from the Japanese version, now please tell me what the Narrator is saying. I don't know what sub translated the Narrator's line as "10 years" since Garlic was locked up, but it was freakin 10 months since the defeat of Freeza on Namek.

http://dbzoa.net/dbzu/dbzep108.html Here's a aomparison editorial to help support my point of that episode.
Answer me this, when did I say the narrator said it? Hell, when did I say it was in the first episode?

And, er, DBZOA...
DBZOA is questionable in its actions, Xyex, but their information isn't wrong by default.

It absolutely cannot have been 10 years since Garlic Jr. was sealed, since, going by Gohan's look, he should've been 3 or 4 at the time, it's been about 10 months since Freeza was killed, and about 2, 3 years since Raditz appeared. So basically, Garlic Jr. was defeated 4, 5 years ago, tops.

Garlic, on the other hand, has been sealed for around 300 years.

This doesn't really add to the arguement, but I'm just clearing it up.

Doesn't change the fact it's in the original. Gah, wish I had the episodes so I could look it up. But I remember this topic coming up in chat...

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:22 pm

Xyex wrote:
B-kun wrote:
Xyex wrote: Answer me this, when did I say the narrator said it? Hell, when did I say it was in the first episode?

And, er, DBZOA...
DBZOA is questionable in its actions, Xyex, but their information isn't wrong by default.

It absolutely cannot have been 10 years since Garlic Jr. was sealed, since, going by Gohan's look, he should've been 3 or 4 at the time, it's been about 10 months since Freeza was killed, and about 2, 3 years since Raditz appeared. So basically, Garlic Jr. was defeated 4, 5 years ago, tops.

Garlic, on the other hand, has been sealed for around 300 years.

This doesn't really add to the arguement, but I'm just clearing it up.
Doesn't change the fact it's in the original. Gah, wish I had the episodes so I could look it up. But I remember this topic coming up in chat...

Someone have the DVD they can check and quote word-by-word? =/ Can Daimao say something?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:23 pm

While we're on the subject of movie 1, I don't know why people keep bringing up the Krillin confronting Gohan thing, Krillin could of always exagerated when Goku brought Gohan to Kame House, plus the battle with Garlic Jr. had happened a full year before Raditz showed up, so it's possible Krillin was surprised at seeing him again, whilst Bulma and Roshi had of course had the first view of him.

I swear, if any of you guys are too nitpickish to ignore ALL the movies (even 9 and the specials) as well as GT, you may as well become manga purists. Because rather you want to believe it or not, Movies 1, 5, 9, 13, the Garlic Jr. saga, and GT all take place in the "Anime continuity". What everyone has to remkember is the "Manga" and "Anime" continuities are two separate Dragonball stories. Example being how Toei may explain something critical different than Toriyama would have, or done a part of the series very differently (examply; Dodoria killing Dende instead of Freeza and the Trunks special). The selectable movies, specials, GJ. saga, and GT can fit in the "Anime continuity", but manga-wise: "if it's not in the books, it's filler".

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:36 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:While we're on the subject of movie 1, I don't know why people keep bringing up the Krillin confronting Gohan thing, Krillin could of always exagerated when Goku brought Gohan to Kame House, plus the battle with Garlic Jr. had happened a full year before Raditz showed up, so it's possible Krillin was surprised at seeing him again, whilst Bulma and Roshi had of course had the first view of him.

I swear, if any of you guys are too nitpickish to ignore ALL the movies (even 9 and the specials) as well as GT, you may as well become manga purists. Because rather you want to believe it or not, Movies 1, 5, 9, 13, the Garlic Jr. saga, and GT all take place in the "Anime continuity". What everyone has to remkember is the "Manga" and "Anime" continuities are two separate Dragonball stories. Example being how Toei may explain something critical different than Toriyama would have, or done a part of the series very differently (examply; Dodoria killing Dende instead of Freeza and the Trunks special). The selectable movies, specials, GJ. saga, and GT can fit in the "Anime continuity", but manga-wise: "if it's not in the books, it's filler".

You're pulling half-assed theroies out of the air now just to try and show that you're right. Krillin, Goku, and Piccolo wouldn't have 'forgotten' or 'over exagerated' about Gohan. There's no way / reason for it. Face it, movie 1 DOES NOT FIT. Aside from that there are 3 continuites. Anime, Manga, and Movie. DBGT, like the Glarlic Jr. Saga, are just really long movies.

9 and 13 are the only movies without any real glaring continuity problems. The Garlic Jr. Saga refrences a movie that couldn't happen and GT screws up too much even with the Anime's line to fit anywhere. I'm not saying GT's all bad, there's stuff there I do like, but it still does not fit. Just face the facts.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:42 pm

Ummmmmmm, Buruma was at Roshi's house too when Goku went there for help after Gohan was kidnapped. Remember he asked to borrow her dragon radar because it would help him track the ball on Gohan's hat? So they found out about Gohan in that movie too. So if I follow your theory, that means that ALL three of them, Roshi, Kuririn, and Buruma made exagerrated reactions when introduced to Goku's son? That's really hard to believe.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:43 pm

Xyex wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:While we're on the subject of movie 1, I don't know why people keep bringing up the Krillin confronting Gohan thing, Krillin could of always exagerated when Goku brought Gohan to Kame House, plus the battle with Garlic Jr. had happened a full year before Raditz showed up, so it's possible Krillin was surprised at seeing him again, whilst Bulma and Roshi had of course had the first view of him.

I swear, if any of you guys are too nitpickish to ignore ALL the movies (even 9 and the specials) as well as GT, you may as well become manga purists. Because rather you want to believe it or not, Movies 1, 5, 9, 13, the Garlic Jr. saga, and GT all take place in the "Anime continuity". What everyone has to remkember is the "Manga" and "Anime" continuities are two separate Dragonball stories. Example being how Toei may explain something critical different than Toriyama would have, or done a part of the series very differently (examply; Dodoria killing Dende instead of Freeza and the Trunks special). The selectable movies, specials, GJ. saga, and GT can fit in the "Anime continuity", but manga-wise: "if it's not in the books, it's filler".
You're pulling half-assed theroies out of the air now just to try and show that you're right. Krillin, Goku, and Piccolo wouldn't have 'forgotten' or 'over exagerated' about Gohan. There's no way / reason for it. Face it, movie 1 DOES NOT FIT. Aside from that there are 3 continuites. Anime, Manga, and Movie. DBGT, like the Glarlic Jr. Saga, are just really long movies.

9 and 13 are the only movies without any real glaring continuity problems. The Garlic Jr. Saga refrences a movie that couldn't happen and GT screws up too much even with the Anime's line to fit anywhere. I'm not saying GT's all bad, there's stuff there I do like, but it still does not fit. Just face the facts.

Movie 5 is actually in the Daizenshuu timeline, come to think of it, though movie 6 doesn't fit no matter what... 5 actually fits if you accept that Goku not turning SSJ immediately is a result of the movie bringing in drama.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:52 pm

B-kun wrote:
Xyex wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:While we're on the subject of movie 1, I don't know why people keep bringing up the Krillin confronting Gohan thing, Krillin could of always exagerated when Goku brought Gohan to Kame House, plus the battle with Garlic Jr. had happened a full year before Raditz showed up, so it's possible Krillin was surprised at seeing him again, whilst Bulma and Roshi had of course had the first view of him.

I swear, if any of you guys are too nitpickish to ignore ALL the movies (even 9 and the specials) as well as GT, you may as well become manga purists. Because rather you want to believe it or not, Movies 1, 5, 9, 13, the Garlic Jr. saga, and GT all take place in the "Anime continuity". What everyone has to remkember is the "Manga" and "Anime" continuities are two separate Dragonball stories. Example being how Toei may explain something critical different than Toriyama would have, or done a part of the series very differently (examply; Dodoria killing Dende instead of Freeza and the Trunks special). The selectable movies, specials, GJ. saga, and GT can fit in the "Anime continuity", but manga-wise: "if it's not in the books, it's filler".
You're pulling half-assed theroies out of the air now just to try and show that you're right. Krillin, Goku, and Piccolo wouldn't have 'forgotten' or 'over exagerated' about Gohan. There's no way / reason for it. Face it, movie 1 DOES NOT FIT. Aside from that there are 3 continuites. Anime, Manga, and Movie. DBGT, like the Glarlic Jr. Saga, are just really long movies.

9 and 13 are the only movies without any real glaring continuity problems. The Garlic Jr. Saga refrences a movie that couldn't happen and GT screws up too much even with the Anime's line to fit anywhere. I'm not saying GT's all bad, there's stuff there I do like, but it still does not fit. Just face the facts.
Movie 5 is actually in the Daizenshuu timeline, come to think of it, though movie 6 doesn't fit no matter what... 5 actually fits if you accept that Goku not turning SSJ immediately is a result of the movie bringing in drama.

If it went more like it does in 6 or 7 in that way I'd buy it. But the scene where Goku finally did transform at the end, and scene's before hand, imply that he couldn't transform at will. And on the case of the Daizenshu's, movie 1's in there as well, however movie's 9 and 13, the ones that actually fit, are not.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:55 pm

Okay, I admit, the exageration reasoing of Krillin, Bulma, and Roshi is my own obvious theory, however I just like to fit things that look like they could of been. By the way, why can't GT fit? Because Toriyama didn't come up with the story (despite doing the series' first half of main character designs), or because Gohan never goes Mystic? It can't be because of Cooler, B-kun just stated the first Cooler movie is included in the anime continuity according to the Daizenshuu.

By the way, the Garlic Jr. situation isn't the only area for plot holes, look at Cell's explanation on his body regeneration. He was able to reform because of the core inside his head, however Goku blasted that core into little bits with his Warp Kamehame-Ha. I know that's off topic, but just goes to show ya even the manga has it's share of plot holes.

Concerning Movies 9 and 13 not being in the continuity of the Daizenshuu, that is a mistake on the publishers' part. Movies 9 and 13 without question fit, especially 9 over-all.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:35 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Okay, I admit, the exageration reasoing of Krillin, Bulma, and Roshi is my own obvious theory, however I just like to fit things that look like they could of been. By the way, why can't GT fit? Because Toriyama didn't come up with the story (despite doing the series' first half of main character designs), or because Gohan never goes Mystic? It can't be because of Cooler, B-kun just stated the first Cooler movie is included in the anime continuity according to the Daizenshuu.

By the way, the Garlic Jr. situation isn't the only area for plot holes, look at Cell's explanation on his body regeneration. He was able to reform because of the core inside his head, however Goku blasted that core into little bits with his Warp Kamehame-Ha. I know that's off topic, but just goes to show ya even the manga has it's share of plot holes.

Concerning Movies 9 and 13 not being in the continuity of the Daizenshuu, that is a mistake on the publishers' part. Movies 9 and 13 without question fit, especially 9 over-all.

*sigh*

Resons GT doesn't fit the time-line (Manga OR Anime):

1) Multiple Movie villains (beyond Cooler) appear.
2) Bra's age is screwed up. (She's a year older in GT and a year younger in cannon.)
3) Other inconsistancies.

The presence of movies 1 and 5 (oddly exaclty 4 movies appart just like 9 and 13) is the goof in my opinion. Either that or Toei was just trying to cover it's ass. And ya, of course the series has it's own little inconsistances. Toriyama-sama was overworked to say the least, plus his memory's as bad as mine. And if you're going to count the movies that have obvious consistancy problems like 1 and 5 then you have to count them all.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:41 pm

Xyex wrote:
Conan the SSJ wrote:Okay, I admit, the exageration reasoing of Krillin, Bulma, and Roshi is my own obvious theory, however I just like to fit things that look like they could of been. By the way, why can't GT fit? Because Toriyama didn't come up with the story (despite doing the series' first half of main character designs), or because Gohan never goes Mystic? It can't be because of Cooler, B-kun just stated the first Cooler movie is included in the anime continuity according to the Daizenshuu.

By the way, the Garlic Jr. situation isn't the only area for plot holes, look at Cell's explanation on his body regeneration. He was able to reform because of the core inside his head, however Goku blasted that core into little bits with his Warp Kamehame-Ha. I know that's off topic, but just goes to show ya even the manga has it's share of plot holes.

Concerning Movies 9 and 13 not being in the continuity of the Daizenshuu, that is a mistake on the publishers' part. Movies 9 and 13 without question fit, especially 9 over-all.
*sigh*

Resons GT doesn't fit the time-line (Manga OR Anime):

1) Multiple Movie villains (beyond Cooler) appear.
2) Bra's age is screwed up. (She's a year older in GT and a year younger in cannon.)
3) Other inconsistancies.

The presence of movies 1 and 5 (oddly exaclty 4 movies appart just like 9 and 13) is the goof in my opinion. Either that or Toei was just trying to cover it's ass. And ya, of course the series has it's own little inconsistances. Toriyama-sama was overworked to say the least, plus his memory's as bad as mine. And if you're going to count the movies that have obvious consistancy problems like 1 and 5 then you have to count them all.

Eh, what other movie villans besides Cooler appear? Because unless your thinking of Movie 12, Cooler was the only villan from one of the movies to appear in GT.