The power multiplier of ki attacks

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's the only way Goku's 910 and 924 battle powers make sense to me.

Goku used the normal Kamehameha against Raditz, why can't you accept that? It's at the size of the normal Kamehameha, not huge like the Super Kamehameha. Goku's Super Kamehameha against Piccolo can still be 910.

[Victorious]

I'm just comparing the BP of 910 (23rd Budokai, not specified if it's Goku or the Super Kamehameha, only really makes sense as the latter) to 924 (Goku's Kamehameha against Raditz).

That's a very small difference.

There were no battle powers in the manga from the 23rd Budokai. Guidebook powers are pretty irrelavent since they have nonsense like Piccolo in the Saiyan arc at 3,500 and Nappa at 4,000.

[hleV]

Guidebook powers are pretty irrelavent since they have nonsense like Piccolo in the Saiyan arc at 3,500 and Nappa at 4,000.

Except that Nappa is a tank and Piccolo is not. Also, having a problem with 3,500 vs 4,000 is almost the same as having a problem with 24,000 vs 18,000.

[Victorious]

Guidebook powers are pretty irrelavent since they have nonsense like Piccolo in the Saiyan arc at 3,500 and Nappa at 4,000.

Except that Nappa is a tank and Piccolo is not. Also, having a problem with 3,500 vs 4,000 is almost the same as having a problem with 24,000 vs 18,000.

Piccolo at 3,500 is what's the problem, he stated Gohan full power > himself, Angry Gohan is 2,800.

Nappa being 4,000 fighting Tenshinhan/Piccolo/Krillin/Chaouzu/Gohan is fine, and he got dominated by 8,000+ base Goku initial. But after that he calms down and does a power up and fights about evenly with base Goku, Nappa is getting close to 8,000 at full power.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

I still don't see the problem with Ma'o being 3,500 against Nappa's 4,000.

[Fox666]

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[Victorious]

I still don't see the problem with Ma'o being 3,500 against Nappa's 4,000.

Chapter: 220 (DBZ 26), P3.2
Piccolo: “Be confident, Gohan. If you put your mind to it, your power surpasses mine.”

Considering Gohan's max/masenko was only 2,800 I don't see how it's possible at all.

Not to mention Gohan's 2,800 was definitely implied to be the highest/most impressive power up to that point displayed by the Z senshi, even Vegeta was pretty stunned at that power.

Piccolo is probably like 2,000-2,400 range.

[Fox666]

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[Victorious]

No it didn't.

Ohh yeah, I forget about the incoming Goku's 5,000.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And again, there is nothing that suggests that 910 is meant to be Goku's power while using the Super Kamehame-ha (or even a regular Kamehame-ha), if anything the V-Jump meant it to be Goku's regular power, whenever it makes sense or not.

They also listed 2,800 for Gohan, which was his Masenko. 910 being the Super Kamehameha makes the most sense, as I said.

It is still pure speculation, and you can't use it as proof of anything.

He is not saying that "910 is definitely for the Super Kamehameha", it's more like "I believe that the 910 goes for the Super Kamehameha, because it makes more sense that way", and it truly makes more sense that way. And having Gohan's battle power matching with his Masenko, it makes the Super Kamehameha = 910 BP theory even more possible.

[Kaboom]

"If you put your mind to it, your power surpasses mine.” If. Nothing says Gohan's power already was or would be stronger than Piccolo's. Gohan's emotion-based power boosts aren't nearly so predictable.

A jump from just under 1000 to almost 3000 would still be the biggest relative insta-boost any of the Earthling fighters had shown up to that point, and certainly merit some shock and awe even if it wasn't the actual highest total power.

[Victorious]

None of them were impressed at all by Piccolo the way they were by Gohan's 2,800. It brought shock to Vegeta and he even warned Nappa to watch the heck out.

I'd say Tenshinhan's Kikoho was above Piccolo as well.


Piccolo states in the manga Gohan > himself. The 3,500 number for Piccolo is way too high.

[Fox666]

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[DBZGTKOSDH]

They were impressed by Gohan's power because he was supposed to be the weakling of the gang, while Piccolo was the strongest. Suddenly, Gohan got angry, and use a fully charged Masenko.

[Victorious]

And again, Vegeta was only surprised that they could change their battle power.

Vegeta: “Battle power 2,800...!!! So they really do drastically change their battle powers!!”

So if it's not an impressive ki then why warn Nappa about it?

Piccolo already stated when Gohan puts his mind to it he's > himself. Then Gohan goes into a rage, get's a huge jump in power shocks everyone and even numbs Nappa's hand. We never see a higher scouter number for Gohan so 2,800 > Piccolo.

Not to mention Vegeta had his scouter on once Piccolo sensed Goku, never did he warn Nappa about an incredible battle power from Piccolo. 2,800 should be way above Piccolo.

[Fox666]

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[Saiga]

It's the only way Goku's 910 and 924 battle powers make sense to me.

Goku used the normal Kamehameha against Raditz, why can't you accept that? It's at the size of the normal Kamehameha, not huge like the Super Kamehameha. Goku's Super Kamehameha against Piccolo can still be 910.

The reason I can't is because the Super Kamehameha should be stronger than the regular Kamehameha, and it makes no sense why he wouldn't try and use it against Raditz. If the regular Kamehameha was 924, I'd think the Super Kamehameha would be comparable to the Makankosappo or something.

[Fox666]

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[Saiga]

Using that logic, why Goku even bother using his fists in a fight and doesn't just use the Kamehame-ha all the time?

Er, that's not the same thing at all. Not only are you comparing a ki attack to a different form of combat than a ki attack to a better ki attack, but Goku didn't even try the Super Kamehameha.

[GoKu.SaMa]

Using that logic, why Goku even bother using his fists in a fight and doesn't just use the Kamehame-ha all the time?

That depends on the opponent if his level was close from Goku's then of course Goku will not use the Kamehameha against him at the beginning of the battle ,because the opponent might use another strong Ki attack and he might also be capable of dodging it and that would be just energy wasting .

And if the different between Goku and his opponent was big then he don't even need to use the Kamehameha .