Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
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ATEMVEGETA
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by ATEMVEGETA » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:44 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:No... nothing says you have to be at 3 million to transform. Vegeta could simply have transformed at his power of 2 million at the time and Freeza would've killed him.
Except that Vegeta transformed much later into a Super Saiyan, approximately above 3 million. If he could be able to transform sooner than that he should have done it so far.
I think we went too much out of topic!
Another battle I would like to change its course is Saibaman vs Yamcha. So unfair loss for Yamcha!
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RandomGuy96
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by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:29 am
I would've changed that battle so the Saibaman put up more of a fight, but didn't self-destruct on Yamcha. Yamcha would instead be killed by Nappa. Though there would be ONE fighter still killed by the Saibamen so they're not just pointless filler; that would be the clown midget. He was the only one there weaker than a Saibaman.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Jackal puFF » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:10 am
I still want to see a Piccolo and Vegeta fight. I guess it was just impossible with all the other people they had to fight.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:50 am
Jackal puFF wrote:I still want to see a Piccolo and Vegeta fight. I guess it was just impossible with all the other people they had to fight.
Me too. A fight in the in the year between the Freeza and Android Arcs between Vegeta and Piccolo would have been epic.
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Nineteen
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by Nineteen » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:45 pm
I'd have liked to have seen Piccolo put up a bit more of a fight against Frieza's third form, simply because I want to know just how strong it is. We have basically no idea about it.
EDIT: Or better yet, have Piccolo put up just enough of a fight against it that Goku arrives and takes over and dominates the third form, forcing Frieza to transform again. You could alter the earliest parts of Goku's fight with Frieza's final form in reality as being against his third form instead without changing the significance of either.
Dr. Gero: I cleared the area of innocents, in accordance with your wishes. Do you disagree with my methods?
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by Draken » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:52 pm
ATEMVEGETA wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:No... nothing says you have to be at 3 million to transform. Vegeta could simply have transformed at his power of 2 million at the time and Freeza would've killed him.
Except that Vegeta transformed much later into a Super Saiyan, approximately above 3 million. If he could be able to transform sooner than that he should have done it so far.
I think we went too much out of topic!
Another battle I would like to change its course is Saibaman vs Yamcha. So unfair loss for Yamcha!
It still isn't written in stone anywhere that there's a forced number you need to reach before transforming into a Super Saiyan.
OT: I have to disagree with your battle change though, Yamcha getting self-destructed is the perfect way for his sorry butt to get kicked for this series
. In all seriousness ya that's a really embarrassing way to die, maybe he coulda went with down from Nappa as well.
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by Godo » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:06 pm
Nineteen wrote:I'd have liked to have seen Piccolo put up a bit more of a fight against Freeza's third form, simply because I want to know just how strong it is. We have basically no idea about it.
EDIT: Or better yet, have Piccolo put up just enough of a fight against it that Goku arrives and takes over and dominates the third form, forcing Freeza to transform again. You could alter the earliest parts of Goku's fight with Freeza's final form in reality as being against his third form instead without changing the significance of either.
Well, it was between 2 million and 4 million in the least. Probably around 3 million, so Vegeta could be confident enough to defeat him.
But yeah, his third form was short lived and should have been used some more in my opinion.
