Does Akira Toriyama's forgetfulness bother anyone but me?

[Scott]

It annoys me slightly because it makes me wonder how much he cares about his own work. I feel he should know everything really since he is the one who is doing it. It's ok to forget things because even us die hard fans forget things, but if he is to continue doing movies or a another series then he really should know about the series. If he doesn't remember what happened in the past then how can he continue the story without making mistakes ? hopefully while doing this movie he is now up to speed on what he has forgotten.

[Sun-Wukong]

I would've hated to have the whole Android Arc have Dr. Gero and #19 as the villains, I'm glad Toriyama was denied that idea.

Personally, I would have preferred it that way. My ideal version of the artificial human arc would have been a much less convoluted tale about Dr. Gero and Cell. I guess #19 could be there too, and #16 if he has to be. My only real gripe with the arc is that #17 and #18 just don't make sense to me. Interesting characters, and I like the Trunks TV special, but how did he make cyborgs that are not only stronger than Freeza, but also by such a wide margin?

So, imagine it's just Dr. Gero, with his personal assistant, #19, who initially tries his hand at revenge, fails, then activates Cell to finish the job. If #16 has to be their, I guess he could try using him first, then activate Cell after he fails/becomes a good guy. He would probably be called #18, though, if that was how the story went. If I did some sort of alternate revision a la GT Revised, I would explain it by leaving #17 and #18 as cyborgs, but having the experiment be a failure.

As far as, you know, the topic at hand, about Toriyama's forgetfulness? Nah, that's fine by me. I mean, it can be kind of frustrating, but I don't loose sleep over it or anything.

[Bussani]

I would've hated to have the whole Android Arc have Dr. Gero and #19 as the villains, I'm glad Toriyama was denied that idea.

Personally, I would have preferred it that way. My ideal version of the artificial human arc would have been a much less convoluted tale about Dr. Gero and Cell. I guess #19 could be there too, and #16 if he has to be. My only real gripe with the arc is that #17 and #18 just don't make sense to me. Interesting characters, and I like the Trunks TV special, but how did he make cyborgs that are not only stronger than Freeza, but also by such a wide margin?

But you're okay with #16, who's even stronger than them?

Anyway, scientific breakthrough of infinite energy reactors is another of an explanation for their strength for me. It's like how the atom bomb was such a gigantic leap forward from a conventional bomb.

[ForestEquilibrium]

I would've hated to have the whole Android Arc have Dr. Gero and #19 as the villains, I'm glad Toriyama was denied that idea.

Personally, I would have preferred it that way. My ideal version of the artificial human arc would have been a much less convoluted tale about Dr. Gero and Cell. I guess #19 could be there too, and #16 if he has to be. My only real gripe with the arc is that #17 and #18 just don't make sense to me. Interesting characters, and I like the Trunks TV special, but how did he make cyborgs that are not only stronger than Freeza, but also by such a wide margin?

But you're okay with #16, who's even stronger than them?

Anyway, scientific breakthrough of infinite energy reactors is another of an explanation for their strength for me. It's like how the atom bomb was such a gigantic leap forward from a conventional bomb.

Plus, if Gero was truly researching Goku for as long as had, he would've had the foresight to know that he and his friends would often become more much powerful within a short period of time and therefore would've compensated by creating machines many, many, many times stronger than when the doctor had last seen Goku in the Saiyan fight.

There's also the fact he must've known about Freeza if he was able to get his cells to make up Cell's design, so he may have used him as a power reference anyway.

[Bejiita]

Remember he's a guy who was highly pressured, to us Dragonball is we see it, a long series and a cool storyline with twists and turns which heavily revolves around the character relations, and a lot of stuff that was clearly un-planned but cleverly integrated into the story as neatly as it could without leaving plot holes. At the time, Toriyama had assistants who would work along side him for reminders, help, etc. To him, it was very long time period of blood, sweat and tears, constant on-the-go work of drawing and creating this fiction we all know and love.

I personally don't forget a lot of things, but from Toriyama's point of view, DB ended quite some time ago, and he's been involved in other stuff since then, and has put DB behind him, it's no longer his concern, also all the pressure he endured whilst he was creating DB could have made him so eager to finally end it and let it go that he didn't leave on good terms with it, and instead of saying 'I'm proud to fut a full stop to DBZ with many fond memories' it's more as if he thought 'enough, the story is ending now right where it's at, done.' This is probably why he has forgot a lot.

He even left the story open for continuation, Toei seized this opportunity and created GT, at a time when Toryiama was relieved of all the stress he couldn't care less about things being taken out of his hands, I like to think Toriyama is a man that has his own way of thinking, and is more of a leader, not a follower, and would oppose the fact that others should take something he created and manipulate it to make their own, but since at the end of DBZ most stuff was joint decisions with ideas from fans, his assistants and Toei's input on whether 'this or that' would be good or not (they even asked him to change his art style, which is a big thing to a guy like him), Toriyama must have already knew that DB was at a stage where he no longer had complete control over his own creation, and then the fact that the fan base was so huge that he had to be more aware of what choices he was making.

DBZ was a result of what so many others had put their input in, and the Buu saga is one that I can watch and say wow, he really just about made it sound like it could fit it in the story, you can tell that it could easily be exposed for an excuse for making a new story for the sake of it. I can see how it was made clearly out of seriousness, and I can respect it for how he handled it, all the questions that people would thing at the time get answered there and then, like when Kaioshin first explains the basis on Majin Buu, just as you might thing 'so why didn't they sort this out all those thousands of years ago?' and then bang, he says they didn't want to disturb the ball incase he woke up, why earth of all planets? 'It was Bibidi's next target. How could it take so long for Babidi and Dabura to wait to get this energy, Dabura said when they investigated the planet 300 years back there were no people of that sort, I'm sure they could have still gathered at least enough energy within that time to revive Buu, all these questions make you start to question why the Buu arc even worked, but as a die hard fan, you can see DBZ was on the verge of repetitiveness , and Toriyama made his magic and it worked since he's a a master at what he does.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

^ That was beautiful. Also agree on Toriyama's mostly justifying how the Buu arc comes out of nowhere.