BoG Strength Run-Down

[Vice]

He was. He also stated that he and Vegeta stood no chance against Super Buu.

[dbzfan7]

I thought Goku was holding back when fought as an SSJ3 against Fat Buu. So, that fight couldn't be measured as which SSJ3, Gotenks or Goku, was stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Goku was holding back against Fat Boo. But he expected the boys SSJ fusion to be enough to kill Fat Boo, he said they would definitely win. That means SSJ Gotenks would have to be around SSJ3 Goku (holding back) to even fight Fat Boo or he would be demolished. They felt they didn't even need the Room of Spirit and Time and that SSJ Gotenks would be enough if successfully pulled off. They only used the ROSAT after Super Boo was born and SSJ Gotenks wouldn't cut it anymore.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I thought Goku was holding back when fought as an SSJ3 against Fat Buu. So, that fight couldn't be measured as which SSJ3, Gotenks or Goku, was stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Goku was holding back against Innocent Boo & admitted that he could beat him if he wanted to (and he predicted that SS Gotenks would also be able to defeat Innocent Boo, a prediction that was never proven false), but also admitted that he didn't stood a chance against Evil Boo, while Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks was around his level of power, and Ultimate Gohan was even stronger than him.

[Bando]

Since this movie hints that base Goku is weaker than Freeza and that Goku SSJ3 is stronger or an the same level as Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, wouldn't this make base Gotenks weaker than Freeza? This doesn't make sense as Piccolo thought that base Gotenks stood a chance against Super Buu:

Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5
Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!”

Depends on your interpretation, but everyone was impressed with base Gotenks even before the RoSaT. Would Piccolo really call someone weaker than Freeza "incredible" at this point? Personally I don't think so. Yakon is also probably stronger than Kaioshin and Goku was performing well enough in base. The Daizenshuu also says the base kids fought on par with #18.

Goku was probably suppressed.

I thought Goku was holding back when fought as an SSJ3 against Fat Buu. So, that fight couldn't be measured as which SSJ3, Gotenks or Goku, was stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's unlikely Goku could suppress his ki while in Super Saiyan 3. He didn't put full effort and that might have lowered his ki a bit but probably not by a significant amount (otherwise it'd be noted).

[Bussani]

Do you really have to lower your ki to hold back? Even characters who can't control their ki don't put everything they have into everything they do.

[dbzfan7]

It's unlikely Goku could suppress his ki while in Super Saiyan 3. He didn't put full effort and that might have lowered his ki a bit but probably not by a significant amount (otherwise it'd be noted).

Didn't go not use his full power on Kid Boo. I would call that suppressing. He needed a minute to reach full power.

[Saitou Hajime]

It's unlikely Goku could suppress his ki while in Super Saiyan 3. He didn't put full effort and that might have lowered his ki a bit but probably not by a significant amount (otherwise it'd be noted).

Didn't go not use his full power on Kid Boo. I would call that suppressing. He needed a minute to reach full power.

He was at full power right off the bat. He needed a minute to recoup his strength and build up enough power to kill Buu.

[Bando]

Do you really have to lower your ki to hold back? Even characters who can't control their ki don't put everything they have into everything they do.

Maybe on a scouter it'd show up the same whether you used full effort or not, but to a ki senser it does matter how much effort you exert? I think I heard this idea somewhere before. But SSj3 draws out all your ki and is constantly draining you so I think it would be a tiny noticeable difference.

On an unrelated note I'd also like to know whether or not Whis flew to Earth from Kaio's planet or if he teleported. Hopefully the guides sort this out if it's not made clear enough in the movie.

[Bussani]

Do you really have to lower your ki to hold back? Even characters who can't control their ki don't put everything they have into everything they do.

Maybe on a scouter it'd show up the same whether you used full effort or not, but to a ki senser it does matter how much effort you exert? I think I heard this idea somewhere before.

Probably from me! That's something I throw out there quite a lot.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

On an unrelated note I'd also like to know whether or not Whis flew to Earth from Kaio's planet or if he teleported. Hopefully the guides sort this out if it's not made clear enough in the movie.

To me it's clear. Kaio senses Whis and Beers approaching, teleporting is instantaneous.
"Back at Kaiō’s planet, Kaiō warns Goku that something is coming their way. Goku panics; is it Bulma?! No, Kaiō says, it is even worse than that. The God of Destruction Birus is heading right for them."

"Birus nonchalantly bids Kaiō farewell, and heads off with Uis for Earth. Goku is in bad shape, but still alive, and Kaiō curses him for his stupidity. He realizes he has to contact Vegeta right away and inform him of the situation."

"Vegeta is still off on his own training when Kaiō telepathically contacts him. After listening to what Kaiō has to say, Vegeta says he has heard of the God of Destruction, but he is not too worried that he is on his way to Earth." If he teleported he would have been on earth before Kaio could contact Vegeta.
Also there's the new promo thing that shows something that looks like somebody flying really quick, possibly to earth. I have also seen a clip somewhere, and it looked like Whis flew off from Kaio's planet.

[Amuro Ray]

The whole theory on "full effort" vs "full power" shouldn't even be happening right now. Goku is shown powering up to fight Nappa and powering up to Fight the Ginyu Force - both times the scouter recorded his power changing, meaning in order to give it your best effort, the power has to be available. I don't know where this idea of "suppressed" Ki comes from, but it's not from Dragonball. Goku is also shown powering up to fight Cell (as a SSJ), and Vegeta is shown powering up to Fight Goku (ssj2) We also hear Vegeta tell Goku to power up to maximum power in SSJ3, implying that Goku wasn't at 100%. How is there even a discussion on this?

[Draken]

The whole theory on "full effort" vs "full power" shouldn't even be happening right now. Goku is shown powering up to fight Nappa and powering up to Fight the Ginyu Force - both times the scouter recorded his power changing, meaning in order to give it your best effort, the power has to be available. I don't know where this idea of "suppressed" Ki comes from, but it's not from Dragonball. Goku is also shown powering up to fight Cell (as a SSJ), and Vegeta is shown powering up to Fight Goku (ssj2) We also hear Vegeta tell Goku to power up to maximum power in SSJ3, implying that Goku wasn't at 100%. How is there even a discussion on this?

The fact that all the main characters know how to suppress their ki and the fact that the Ginyu scouters continued to show Goku's power at 5 even though he was stomping 2 people at over 40k.

[Jackal puFF]

I love when Herms does these type of things! Always fun to read.