New Facebook Dragon Ball hoax?

[Eddie]

The thing is, we live in the age of the Internet. Having the whole fan-base screaming for a new series all over won't guaranty money, since it's very easy to find an episode or movie on the Internet for free download in high quality. Firstly, they need to know if the loyal fans will also be loyal costumers.

The truth is that anything outside of Toei's base demographic (Japanese speakers) is essentially the responsibility of the companies such as Funimation who license the product. Awareness of the size and range of a fanbase in a certain regions gives Toei their biggest bargaining chip when it comes to selling distribution rights.

If we're talking new movies, it sounds like the responsibility would be with Fox. Don't they have a certain level of control over all new DB films? If you really want to send a message to someone as an international (outside of Japan) fan, a polite e-mail with good punctuation and grammar to these parties might be better than some hoax.

[Blade]

The thing is, we live in the age of the Internet. Having the whole fan-base screaming for a new series all over won't guaranty money, since it's very easy to find an episode or movie on the Internet for free download in high quality. Firstly, they need to know if the loyal fans will also be loyal costumers.

The truth is that anything outside of Toei's base demographic (Japanese speakers) is essentially the responsibility of the companies such as Funimation who license the product. Awareness of the size and range of a fanbase in a certain regions gives Toei their biggest bargaining chip when it comes to selling distribution rights.

If we're talking new movies, it sounds like the responsibility would be with Fox. Don't they have a certain level of control over all new DB films? If you really want to send a message to someone as an international (outside of Japan) fan, a polite e-mail with good punctuation and grammar to these parties might be better than some hoax.

Again, I feel you're misconstruing - I'm not endorsing the idea.

Fox's 'involvement' is part and parcel of Dragonball Evolution. They secured the lease of the Dragonball rights for a set period of time whilst that project was in development, their role in Battle of Gods is likely just an artifact of that. It remains to be seen what plans (if any) they have for the franchise.

[Eddie]

If I'm remembering correctly, though, Fox still gets first dibs on bringing new movies over. In one of the threads on the forum, there was something about Funi not even having automatic rights to it. Fox technically owns those rights.

[Blade]

If I'm remembering correctly, though, Fox still gets first dibs on bringing new movies over. In one of the threads on the forum, there was something about Funi not even having automatic rights to it. Fox technically owns those rights.

That's consequential of them currently owning the theatrical release rights for the franchise due to Evolution. Like I said, as far as I'm aware their original deal still stands - it hasn't been renewed. It remains to be seen if they have any plans for the Dragonball franchise in the future.

[SaiyaJedi]

So, I've been doing some research for a potential podcast topic, but I would be remiss if I didn't also share it here.

This hoax first appeared in English on 31 March; I find Twitter user @SonVegito and Facebook account “Vegito” (who may or may not be the same person) apparently responsible for the first English misrepresentation, but the first posting of the image (the first English version, without the “naked sweaty fanboy”) on his Facebook account has since been deleted. This Facebook user’s next entry (also on 31 March), however, disavows it and blames it on a “bullshit source”, the Spanish-language Facebook account “Dragon Ball ,Z,GT,AF” (original entry here). In its original Spanish-language form, it appears to be a screenshot from the mobile version of a website (see below). Running it through Google Translate (and cleaning up the Spanish a bit for punctuation and accents), one gets:
“Yesterday in Japan was conducted the pre-premiere of the new movie Dragon Ball Z which was a resounding success. Critics gave full support to the new movie which qualify of genius! At a press conference about this Akira Toriyama stated that given the success he has planned a new series that can reach 200 chapters with new animation technology that would be and would mark a return more than expected for all fans of this great series.”

The English version the graphic seems as though it could have been based on a misreading of the Oricon article that came out on 31 March about the movie’s ticket sales indicating it would meet or beat Toei’s three-billion-yen goal, mixed with an unfounded rumor prior to the film’s release that “Akira” would continue the series if the movie did well enough (one example in this thread, courtesy of Nex Carnifex and YouTube user “UnrealEntGaming”). In the Spanish original, however, there is a clear reference to a “pre-premiere”, and the movie's “success” is clearly meant to be construed as critical rather than financial. Searching for the text itself leads to an article posted to Chilean website Bionic Portal on 15 March, which is obviously referencing the 12 March screening at Wald 9 Shinjuku. At this point, it starts to get shaky, but a forum post from the day before, on 14 March, is the earliest thing I can find, which gives an expanded version that Bionic Portal appears to have paraphrased without bothering to check whether the poster wasn’t simply making shit up. This particular post may not be the absolute earliest there is, but given the constraint of 12 March as "yesterday", it can't get more than a day earlier than that.

The only thing that’s not clear is how the “naked sweaty fanboy” image got appended to the English translation of the image, but it apparently predates the hoax by quite a bit, as asserted on Reddit (as per my previous post in this thread). Any leads as to who added this image to the text, or when, would be appreciated.

[DemonRin]

Hahaha... Toriyama.. Press conference... hah.

Just saw another one of these by the way. This one is claiming Toriyama said in an interview that he hates Vegeta.... what?....

I mean, I'm kinda surprised he REMEMBERS who Vegeta is, but hate? I doubt quite heavily it's true.

[VegettoEX]

That's at least partially true. Vegeta was not one of his favorite characters, and if I remember the right interview, said something like he kept him around just because he was useful.

EDIT: Pulling in some quotes...

With Vegeta, well, I don’t like him all that much, but he was extremely helpful to have around.

I do, in the sense of “betraying the fans’ expectations”. For instance, when I got a lot of, “Don’t kill Vegeta,” I deliberately killed him. (laughs)

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

For instance, when I got a lot of, “Don’t kill Vegeta,” I deliberately killed him. (laughs)

I love Toriyama.

[dbzfan7]

If it's not on Kanzenshuu it's not real.

Its what my guideline to real and fake news is.

[theoriginalbilis]

I actually had a friend post this garbage on his FB account. I immediately felt compelled to tell him it was an unfounded rumor. I said he knew it wasn't really true, but he was optimistic due to the new movie coming out.

If we get any new anime from the success of BoG, it'll most likely be in the vein of other movies and specials. I can't see a full-fledged TV series coming out, especially after what we've seen from GT (which technically did have Toriyama involvement already, )

[Blade]

The only thing that’s not clear is how the “naked sweaty fanboy” image got appended to the English translation of the image, but it apparently predates the hoax by quite a bit, as asserted on Reddit (as per my previous post in this thread). Any leads as to who added this image to the text, or when, would be appreciated.

I'd assume that the affixing of the image is purely for memetic value as to convey the (false) information in a share-worthy context with social media in mind.

That said and given the nature of and format of the image I suspect it was created for either Facebook or Instagram, the former appearing the more likely given the commonality of reports of its distribution on which being observed. Finding the start point is problematic due to the nature of sharing posts on Facebook, the new layers of privacy settings don't give a level playing field from account to account, and as such I can only trace instances of its distribution as far back as the privacy settings of the last sharer.

I wonder if NSFB had any inkling when he made the original photo that it would become subject to such varied post-modern applications.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Insertclevername]

especially after what we've seen from GT (which technically did have Toriyama involvement already, )

That was 17 years ago. Times have changed. The audience is different.

[omegalucas]

Oh God now it's an actual Portuguese newspaper website spreading the virus
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/notic ... essar-a-tv

Seriously... -.-

[VegettoEX]

Beyond that, I'm dealing with A COMPLETE LACK OF ANY READING COMPREHENSION WHAT-SO-EVER with regard to the latest podcast episode's post. Several forums are ablaze with people thinking we are saying that there is a new series, perhaps that we are trolling people about a new series, etc.

Yes, the podcast episode and post about using critical thinking to dismiss fake rumors.

This proves to me that people do not actually see words or even images. They just make up their own text when they read the Internet.

That means that someone reading this post right now is actually reading, not about a new series / hoax / rumors, but about a radiator that vomits cherry soda each time you turn it on while apologizing to you in French.

And maybe that's for the best.

[omegalucas]

Beyond that, I'm dealing with A COMPLETE LACK OF ANY READING COMPREHENSION WHAT-SO-EVER with regard to the latest podcast episode's post. Several forums are ablaze with people thinking we are saying that there is a new series, perhaps that we are trolling people about a new series, etc.

Yes, the podcast episode and post about using critical thinking to dismiss fake rumors.

This proves to me that people do not actually see words or even images. They just make up their own text when they read the Internet.

That means that someone reading this post right now is actually reading, not about a new series / hoax / rumors, but about a radiator that vomits cherry soda each time you turn it on while apologizing to you in French.

And maybe that's for the best.

Well, buddy, it's hard to convey sarcasm through writing so I can see why some people get totally the opposite idea from what you wanted to pass.
Especially if these people have a different mother language.

[Kamiccolo9]

Beyond that, I'm dealing with A COMPLETE LACK OF ANY READING COMPREHENSION WHAT-SO-EVER with regard to the latest podcast episode's post. Several forums are ablaze with people thinking we are saying that there is a new series, perhaps that we are trolling people about a new series, etc.

Yes, the podcast episode and post about using critical thinking to dismiss fake rumors.

This proves to me that people do not actually see words or even images. They just make up their own text when they read the Internet.

That means that someone reading this post right now is actually reading, not about a new series / hoax / rumors, but about a radiator that vomits cherry soda each time you turn it on while apologizing to you in French.

And maybe that's for the best.

It's on the wiki too.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/User_b ... a_Toriyama!!!!

[Blade]

I guess that instead of killing the demon by saying its name, you've actually acknowledged its existence - which it would appear translates as verification to some people.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Beyond that, I'm dealing with A COMPLETE LACK OF ANY READING COMPREHENSION WHAT-SO-EVER with regard to the latest podcast episode's post. Several forums are ablaze with people thinking we are saying that there is a new series, perhaps that we are trolling people about a new series, etc.

You...had to post those links...and I had to click them. Um, why?

Do them no teach engrish in skools these days? I mean, I'm not saying that my English is perfect. I've been guilty of posting things after skim reading a previous post, but could that podcast be any clearer?

[Blade]

Beyond that, I'm dealing with A COMPLETE LACK OF ANY READING COMPREHENSION WHAT-SO-EVER with regard to the latest podcast episode's post. Several forums are ablaze with people thinking we are saying that there is a new series, perhaps that we are trolling people about a new series, etc.

You...had to post those links...and I had to click them. Um, why?

Do them no teach engrish in skools these days? I mean, I'm not saying that my English is perfect. I've been guilty of posting things after skim reading a previous post, but could that podcast be any clearer?

I don't think they've listened to the podcast.

I think if anything this serves as a good example of the level of the influence, and therefore responsibility, Kanzenshuu has. It reminds me a little bit of how the April Fools prank that DaizEX did back in 2004 actually went some way to propegate an AF rumour resurgence, even after Mike posted his retraction.

I guess there are a lot of people who have already made up their mind about these sorts of rumours and look for anything, no matter how tenuous, to validate them. It's also worth noting that a lot of these rumours tend to be spread by very young people, who probably don't know much better. Furthermore, as Julian went some way to outline in the podcast, language barriers tend to exacerbate the problem too. There's no saying that people who don't speak English as a first language may struggle to understand the sardonic tone Mike uses in his news post.