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Mjb1985 wrote:What would those contradictions be Rocketman? And why are you the science guy here? What's your claim to fame?
The Moon is enormous in the sky, and the Earth is similarly huge in the Moon's sky. The curvature of the DB Moon is much more pronounced than ours. The oceans are unaffected by the sudden disappearance of the Moon's gravity.
Therefore the DB Moon is very small and close.
Toriyama's word on how far away the moon is >>>>>>> Fan interpretation of how far away the moon is.
If Toriyama said Bulma has a dick, would you believe it?
If he said so sure. DB Earth is his Earth, why should women there have to be exactly the same as our women? Sure would explain how the idiotic clueless innocent Goku/Gohan have kids anyway Maybe women are the men in that world or who knows, maybe they're just asexual!
Mjb1985 wrote:What would those contradictions be Rocketman? And why are you the science guy here? What's your claim to fame?
The Moon is enormous in the sky, and the Earth is similarly huge in the Moon's sky. The curvature of the DB Moon is much more pronounced than ours. The oceans are unaffected by the sudden disappearance of the Moon's gravity.
Therefore the DB Moon is very small and close.
Toriyama's word on how far away the moon is >>>>>>> Fan interpretation of how far away the moon is.
If Toriyama said Bulma has a dick, would you believe it?
If he said so sure. DB Earth is his Earth, why should women there have to be exactly the same as our women? Sure would explain how the idiotic clueless innocent Goku/Gohan have kids anyway Maybe women are the men in that world or who knows, maybe they're just asexual!
But we know she doesn't. Goku found that out pretty early on, remember?
Mjb1985 wrote:What would those contradictions be Rocketman? And why are you the science guy here? What's your claim to fame?
The Moon is enormous in the sky, and the Earth is similarly huge in the Moon's sky. The curvature of the DB Moon is much more pronounced than ours. The oceans are unaffected by the sudden disappearance of the Moon's gravity.
Therefore the DB Moon is very small and close.
Toriyama's word on how far away the moon is >>>>>>> Fan interpretation of how far away the moon is.
If Toriyama said Bulma has a dick, would you believe it?
If he said so sure. DB Earth is his Earth, why should women there have to be exactly the same as our women? Sure would explain how the idiotic clueless innocent Goku/Gohan have kids anyway Maybe women are the men in that world or who knows, maybe they're just asexual!
His word stands above all others even if he retcons.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Insertclevername wrote:No, because we already have visual confirmation that she doesn't (unless it's in an unusual spot).
We also have visual confirmation that the Moon is ten times closer.
Artistic license, artists make the moon look bigger than it actually is for scenic purposes and that's what Toriyama did in DB.
When Toriyama gave us factual information on how far away the moon is he chose 380,000km. Making your interpretation of how far away the moon is virtually irrelevant since the author himself disagrees with you.
The Monkey King wrote:Making your interpretation of how far away the moon is virtually irrelevant since the author himself disagrees with you.
I disagree. There's nothing wrong with questioning something the author's said, or placing different importance on different pieces of evidence. I know perfectly well why you want to consider everything the author says true or canon or what-have-you, but there's no law saying everyone has to approach it that way. If someone doesn't care what the author says outside of the original story, that's their prerogative. And heck, when it comes to answers in interviews like this, which may or may not even be thought through very well, I can totally understand why someone might want to disregard them, whether I agree with doing so myself or not.
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The Monkey King wrote:Making your interpretation of how far away the moon is virtually irrelevant since the author himself disagrees with you.
I disagree. There's nothing wrong with questioning something the author's said, or placing different importance on different pieces of evidence. I know perfectly well why you want to consider everything the author says true or canon or what-have-you, but there's no law saying everyone has to approach it that way. If someone doesn't care what the author says outside of the original story, that's their prerogative. And heck, when it comes to answers in interviews like this, which may or may not even be thought through very well, I can totally understand why someone might want to disregard them, whether I agree with doing so myself or not.
Honestly, I think if Rocketman walked up to Toryama and explained all this to him, he would just be like "Hokay. Makes sense to me," and manage to get on with his life just fine. Toryama was just throwing out a comment, not stating a die-hard end-all-to-be-all fact.
I don't know. He purposefully left himself wiggle room for situations like this. He clearly states this is his interview , trying to make exact correlations from this world to the Dragonball world just isn't what the author suggested to protect himself from people like Rocketman who have a superior point of view on things like this. What's the big deal anyhow? How does this effect anything?
Mjb1985 wrote:I don't know. He purposefully left himself wiggle room for situations like this. He clearly states this is his interview , trying to make exact correlations from this world to the Dragonball world just isn't what the author suggested to protect himself from people like Rocketman who have a superior point of view on things like this. What's the big deal anyhow? How does this effect anything?
It doesn't. Then he couldn't argue about it.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
One thing that I've taken from this is just thinking about how strong Buff Roshi possibly is.
It's quite possible he's really , really strong. I guess the only comparison you could make would be that of Ssj Grade 3. That's generally looked as a tremendous boost.
Considering Oozaru Goku's potential death , it's really possible Buff Roshi who blew up the moon is indeed somewhere in Piccolo Daimao range. I mean there is a lot to think about. And one of the simplest answers would be , hey maybe Buff Roshi is just really , really strong , seems like a nice simple answer.
Guys, I don't think you're going to resolve this. Part 1 Dragonball was pretty wacky as it still had many influences from Dr. Slump, and I'd like to see someone try to analyze things in that series scientifically.
It's insane how? In our universe it would be insane. But this isn't our universe. Our set of laws don't necessarily apply to their set of laws. As the poster said the distance is the same , but I haven't seen a quote or anything. Considering no one jumped at the chance to disprove him I can assume that is ok.
Maybe the moon in Dragonball is more fragile than our moon. Not to mention this whole scenario was most likely never thought out about.
Roshi did expend a ton of energy destroying the mountain as well. I don't think his efforts were all that greatly different from him blowing up the mountain as to blowing up the moon.
If you think about it many characters have preformed feats with Ki that they would probably not be able to do with just physical power or durability.
Master Roshi destroying the moon.
Tien stopping Cell with his Tri Beam even though he was physically weaker than Cell by a good margin.
Krillin using it to cut off Frieza's tail
Yajirobe was able to cut Vegeta tail
I don't see how Master Roshi moon busting is a outlier.
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Mjb1985 wrote:It's insane how? In our universe it would be insane. But this isn't our universe. Our set of laws don't necessarily apply to their set of laws. As the poster said the distance is the same , but I haven't seen a quote or anything. Considering no one jumped at the chance to disprove him I can assume that is ok.
They're basically right, but it's not quite as simple as a quote in a guidebook saying "the moon in Dragon Ball is this far away." It's actually part of Toriyama answering another question--namely, how far Nyoi-bo can stretch. His answer was something like: "Well, Goku went to the moon with it one time, and the moon is this far away, so that's how far it can go." I can kind of see why someone might be okay with ignoring it because it feels kind of...not thought out? Like Toriyama just looked up how far the moon is from the Earth in order to come up with an answer without really thinking about it. Buuut if people want to take it as factual because it came from the author himself, I can totally understand that, too.
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Rocketman wrote:Statements made directly by the author can be dismissed if they are dumb.
Like "tails are recessive!" or "water is nutritious!".
Flying cars, dinosaurs, talking dog rules the world, the god of destruction is a cat. Anything goes in my opinion.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Maybe women are the men in that world or who knows, maybe they're just asexual!
