Am I the only one with thinks Battle of Gods isn't that good

[Saiga]

Do you have the same problem with Coola and Bojack?

I do, actually. Especially Bojack, since Kaio has knowledge about him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

After re-thinking about if Super Saiyan was really needed or not, I concluded that it wasn't needed after all. Shenlong said that the evil Saiyans were superior to the good Saiyans in both numbers and power. He never mentioned Super Saiyan. And as for the light, during Goku's ritual, the golden aura of the Saiyans' turned into blue, and the Saiyans started glowing (along with Videl's belly), so maybe Shenlong was talking about that light? I guess so.

The light meant pure hearten.

How so?

But that makes a plot hole because Piccolo said Goku isn't pure cause he's an idiot who loves to fight and Trunks wanting to date at a young age.

Are you serious? The whole "Goku & Trunks aren't pure" was a gag.

However Vegeta randomly becomes 100% pure cause he haven't done evil in long time and everyone argues about who's pure or not. There's a difference between Good and Pure. I think they did that for suspense and filler. Saiyan Super God had nothing to do with Super Saiyan IMO. The name was to attract people attention that's all. If I'm right the original SSG wasn't SSJ. But he was pure hearten and had 5 other pure people with him.

Since Vegeta could participate in the ritual, it probably means that the Saiyans have to be good persons with pure motives. Vegeta was a good guy at that point, and his motives were pure (he wanted to protect his family, friends, and planet).

I do, actually. Especially Bojack, since Kaio has knowledge about him.

The Bojack Gang had some weird earing & necklaces that were glowing when they did some techniques from what I recall, so I would say that they gained power from those things.

As much as you like t go on and say you know the story simply by watching it, you sure do have a lot of misconceptions. Freeza never worked for Beers.

It was hinted that he did, both by the movie & Chozenshuu 1.

[Saiga]

The Bojack Gang had some weird earing & necklaces that were glowing when they did some techniques from what I recall, so I would say that they gained power from those things.

Either way, it wouldn't make a big difference to me. Kaio should still know about their power, unless you mean they got their jewelry after they were released so their power was unknown. But there's still not enough to support that.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It seemed to me that Beers simply tolerated Freeza's acts. He never "hired" him.

[TheGmGoken]

As much as you like t go on and say you know the story simply by watching it, you sure do have a lot of misconceptions. Freeza never worked for Beers.

Oh, and it seems like you're pissed off because a new villain came along and made Freeza look like a small fry in the grand scheme of things; but isn't that what happened for half of DBZ with the introduction of Trunks, Kaioshin, the Artificial Humans and Cell?

There's a difference between new enemies coming along and trumping Freeza (which I have no problem with) and someone just being there all along and dwarfing him (which I DO have a problem with). Even Boo had been sealed away long before Freeza's time, and Kaioshin/Dabra come from separate realms. Beers was active and actually hanging around the Universe, which I don't like at all.

Beers was asleep =/. He's also a God, he doesn't meddle in mortal affairs.

When I first post the thread I said I can translate SOME of the things. I mistranslated something my mistake =/. Why would I be pissed that Freeza looks weak? How did you get that from my statement? From my mistranslated I said it ruined some of the episodes such as Vegeta dying and Goku filler moment when he saw the Saiyans. How you came to such a conclusion is a mystery

[TheGmGoken]

But I also can counter your statement by going by Chozenshuu 1.

[TheGmGoken]

Oh, and it seems like you're pissed off because a new villain came along and made Freeza look like a small fry in the grand scheme of things; but isn't that what happened for half of DBZ with the introduction of Trunks, Kaioshin, the Artificial Humans and Cell?

There's a difference between new enemies coming along and trumping Freeza (which I have no problem with) and someone just being there all along and dwarfing him (which I DO have a problem with). Even Boo had been sealed away long before Freeza's time, and Kaioshin/Dabra come from separate realms. Beers was active and actually hanging around the Universe, which I don't like at all.

Do you have the same problem with Coola and Bojack?

I guess the thing that annoys you is the fact that Beerus was intending to go kill Freeza at some point after he woke up, and would've done so easily- if it hadn't been for the fact that Freeza had already been killed.

It almost seems like a bit of a throw-away scene in the final film. I'm guessing it would've had a lot more relevance in some of the earlier scripts.

As much as you like t go on and say you know the story simply by watching it, you sure do have a lot of misconceptions. Freeza never worked for Beers.

Yeah, reminds me of this horrible, horrible review from a guy who claimed to have seen the film when he clearly hadn't. The sad thing was he had thousands of comments and subscribers.

Oh I know that guy I'm subbed to him. It made me angry. He was clearly reading off of a site.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

From my mistranslated I said it ruined some of the episodes such as Vegeta dying and Goku filler moment when he saw the Saiyans. How you came to such a conclusion is a mystery

Woops, mis-read your post.

But in regards to Freeza, I honestly think his scene was there because it either had more relevance in the original script, or because it was done as fan-service and they wanted to include one of the most iconic villains in the series as a type of nod to the older fans. Yes, it does create some slight inconsistencies but to let it ruin whole scenes and TV specials is a tad over the top, don't you think? It all comes back to the dreaded "C-word", I guess and what your idea is of the canon story line.

As much as you like t go on and say you know the story simply by watching it, you sure do have a lot of misconceptions. Freeza never worked for Beers.

It was hinted that he did, both by the movie & Chozenshuu 1.

Ooh, quotes please.

[TheGmGoken]

Beers was asleep =/. He's also a God, he doesn't meddle in mortal affairs.

He was awake when Freeza ruled over the Saiyans. Flashback showed Birshu interacting with King Vegeta

[TheGmGoken]

From my mistranslated I said it ruined some of the episodes such as Vegeta dying and Goku filler moment when he saw the Saiyans. How you came to such a conclusion is a mystery

Woops, mis-read your post.

But in regards to Freeza, I honestly think his scene was there because it either had more relevance in the original script, or because it was done as fan-service and they wanted to include one of the most iconic villains in the series as a type of nod to the older fans. Yes, it does create some slight inconsistencies but to let it ruin whole scenes and TV specials is a tad over the top, don't you think? It all comes back to the dreaded "C-word", I guess.

Yea I wasn't being over the top. But it did ruin at least 2 or 3 of the moments in my opinion. Mostly Goku seeing Daddy bardock, Burger King Vegeta, and Wendy Girl Hairline Vegeta and Vegeta death.

[Kamiccolo9]

I wouldn't say that Freeza was working for Beers, per say. More that he was doing his job for him. Freeza was destroying stuff for his own ends, and inadvertently was helping out Beers as well.

[TheGmGoken]

I could't translate the Birshu and Vegeta confronting each other and Vegeta's flashback so if possible(Anyone who saw the movie and translated it or know for sure what happen) can anyone tell me why Birshu was on Planet Vegeta in the first place?

[kei17]

While I love BoG very much, I can understand why there are those who don't like it. This movie isn't really DBZ-ish though it's named DBZ. You know, it rather feels like the original manga. I don't recommend the movie to those who grew up only with the TV series and movies. Its Goku is so different from the typically heroic Goku in the old anime.

So you agree with Pan being born SSJ or you're making a point about everyone having differ energy?

The latter, although I don't think it matters whether or not the former is true. Shenlong never says they need ki from Super Saiyans.

Yeah, and no one says you need Super Saiyans to create a SSJ God in the movie. It seemed like they become SSJ just to increase a sense of togetherness or something.

[Kamiccolo9]

I could't translate the Birshu and Vegeta confronting each other and Vegeta's flashback so if possible(Anyone who saw the movie and translated it or know for sure what happen) can anyone tell me why Birshu was on Planet Vegeta in the first place?

Wasn't he stopping by to consider destroying planet Vegeta? And then he changed his mind or something? I remember hearing that from somewhere, but I have no way of confirming it

[TheGmGoken]

While I love BoG very much, I can understand why there are those who don't like it. This movie isn't really DBZ-ish though it's named DBZ. You know, it rather feels like the original manga. I don't recommend the movie to those who grew up only with the TV series and movies. Its Goku is so different from the typically heroic Goku in the old anime.

So you agree with Pan being born SSJ or you're making a point about everyone having differ energy?

The latter, although I don't think it matters whether or not the former is true. Shenlong never says they need ki from Super Saiyans.

Yeah, and no one says you need Super Saiyans to create a SSJ God in the movie. It seemed like they become SSJ just to increase a sense of togetherness or something.

Goku behaved the same for me =/. What I didn't like was the same old routine they took. Goku get's taken out of action and sits on the sideline. This time he literally sat on the sideline. Then everyone loses and Goku comes back and either Got a power boast or will Get a power boast. Him keeping the power of SSG was not needed. He could have lost and work for the power like Piccolo and Vegeta did. Hell even Gohan(Before Elder Kai's power) worked for his power. It's like Goku got the worst case of Main Character Disease.

[TheGmGoken]

I could't translate the Birshu and Vegeta confronting each other and Vegeta's flashback so if possible(Anyone who saw the movie and translated it or know for sure what happen) can anyone tell me why Birshu was on Planet Vegeta in the first place?

Wasn't he stopping by to consider destroying planet Vegeta? And then he changed his mind or something? I remember hearing that from somewhere, but I have no way of confirming it

If that's the case then I feel bad for Kid Vegeta. Telling by his age he was either 1 year younger or just a few months younger then when he was when planet blew up. Imagine

Birshu: You guys are lucky I won't destroy it
Saiyans: YES!

*Few months later*
Saiyans: What's that hot energy blast comi..HOLY SHIT!
Bardock: KAKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORT!

[kei17]

While I love BoG very much, I can understand why there are those who don't like it. This movie isn't really DBZ-ish though it's named DBZ. You know, it rather feels like the original manga. I don't recommend the movie to those who grew up only with the TV series and movies. Its Goku is so different from the typically heroic Goku in the old anime.

Goku behaved the same for me =/. What I didn't like was the same old routine they took. Goku get's taken out of action and sits on the sideline. This time he literally sat on the sideline. Then everyone loses and Goku comes back and either Got a power boast or will Get a power boast. Him keeping the power of SSG was not needed. He could have lost and work for the power like Piccolo and Vegeta did. Hell even Gohan(Before Elder Kai's power) worked for his power. It's like Goku got the worst case of Main Character Disease.

I said the BoG Goku was different because he doesn't really want/try to save the world. It's at least low in his priority list. He's not an "I won't forgive you!!"-type hero unlike him in old movies.

[TheGmGoken]

While I love BoG very much, I can understand why there are those who don't like it. This movie isn't really DBZ-ish though it's named DBZ. You know, it rather feels like the original manga. I don't recommend the movie to those who grew up only with the TV series and movies. Its Goku is so different from the typically heroic Goku in the old anime.

Goku behaved the same for me =/. What I didn't like was the same old routine they took. Goku get's taken out of action and sits on the sideline. This time he literally sat on the sideline. Then everyone loses and Goku comes back and either Got a power boast or will Get a power boast. Him keeping the power of SSG was not needed. He could have lost and work for the power like Piccolo and Vegeta did. Hell even Gohan(Before Elder Kai's power) worked for his power. It's like Goku got the worst case of Main Character Disease.

I said the BoG Goku was different because he doesn't really want/try to save the world. It's at least low in his priority list. He's not an "I won't forgive you!!"-type hero unlike him in old movies.

Well the other movies wasn't canon lol. But Goku most likely seen it all already and stop caring *joking*

[TheMightyOzaru]

Canon is a subjective matter when it comes to this series. Alternate universes can make everything canon. Even Toriyama says he views them as such in the Daizenshuu 6.

[Chuquita]

Bad points about BOG from the POV of someone who likes the movie yet hasn't actually watched it in its entirety:

-I get the impression this movie lacks the threatening tension I was hoping for; like there isn't that moment of complete and utter despair that isn't parlayed by a gag of some type (though I do like gags).
-Goku getting sidelined means he doesn't get to interact with the rest of the cast as much; that makes me sad. I adored his back-and-forths with Vegeta in the Jump 08 special; I wanted more of that.
-I also get the impression that we spend an inordinate amount of time in Capsule Corp's backyard; I do know there's lots of travel in the final Goku vs Beerus fight, and places like Kaio-sama's planet and Beerus' home appear. This like the first note is one where I can't really know for sure until I see it though.
-The residual leftovers from the earlier version of the script remaining there instead of being completely chucked make things weird, like that whole Beerus and King Vegeta scene which would've fit a lot better with Lizard!Beerus (Beta-Beerus?) character.
-Beerus ears being so crazy-long do look kinda bunny-like; if they weren't that exaggerated I don't think it would've confused so many people.
-Trunks/'Mai (Tru/Ma? Mai/Tru?) is kinda squicky imo because of Trunks being a little kid while Mai only looks like a little kid; I mean, nothing comes of it and it's Trunks who's starting it and Mai who's the embarrassed one, but....I dunno....if it were young adult Trunks with Mai turned back into a young adult I feel it wouldn't bother me.
-Ssjg Goku should've gotten a costume to go with his power-up (but then I guess if he did, I wouldn't have decided to go design one for the power-up after all, and I like the costume design I came up with for him a lot so that one kinda works out.)
-The secretly-pregnant Videl getting accidentally shot in the leg just so Dende can discover her secret is awkward; they probably could've had him surprise-discover her pregnancy in a non-injury-related way.
-That one screenshot of the Dragon Ball Men's Choir where everyone is supposed to look frightened, but at least 3 of them look like their either singing, or phoning their fear in.


I think that's about it. Again I can't really make a proper list until I see the movie though.
I can't bring myself to really dislike BOG though; it did give me adorable magenta-haired, big-red-saucer-eyed, svelte-looking Goku in that ssjg power-up (who the Pixiv art community has nicknamed "God-chan", no lie. I prefer calling him "Gokyun" though. :3 ) so it's difficult for me to knock the film too much.