Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:45 am

and in both Vegetto is the winner.
There are 2 ending in RB. One where Gogeta wins and one where Vegetto wins

Also in UB Gogeta can win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uACEZFCdEeg
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:47 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
and in both Vegetto is the winner.
There are 2 ending in RB. One where Gogeta wins and one where Vegetto wins
No, there are 2 rounds. First round, Gogeta wins. Second round, Vegetto wins.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:52 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
and in both Vegetto is the winner.
There are 2 ending in RB. One where Gogeta wins and one where Vegetto wins
No, there are 2 rounds. First round, Gogeta wins. Second round, Vegetto wins.
Incorrect. They're different versions. Most of the dialog is the same except the background characters. Either way. Gogeta did win,.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Saiga » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:53 am

I definitely think Vegetto is Gogeta's superior, but I don't think the difference is so great that base Vegetto would be stronger than SSanything Gogeta. I believe Super Vegetto would be greater than SS3 Gogeta, just because I'm on the conservative side when it comes to estimating hypothetical characters. However, the stuff about Gogeta being planned to appear instead of Gogeta might make me reconsider that... but it might not, since it never came to be.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:06 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Incorrect. They're different versions. Most of the dialog is the same except the background characters. Either way. Gogeta did win,.
When Gogeta won, Vegetto challenged him for a rematch. Then, in the second fight, Vegetto won.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:10 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Incorrect. They're different versions. Most of the dialog is the same except the background characters. Either way. Gogeta did win,.
When Gogeta won, Vegetto challenged him for a rematch. Then, in the second fight, Vegetto won.
Dude that was a gag ending. Hence the joke was that Gogeta time limit didn't allow the rematch. Just like the gag in Vegetoo's win is that Vegetto is stuck fused.
PROOF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7seJ7mXTWs - Part 1. Vegetto wins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ84p8jkjPc - Part 2 Gogeta wins.

SAME THING. Alternate ending. No rematch.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:14 am

Well, I was relying on my memory. I guess I was wrong. :P

Still, in Ultimate Butoden, only Vegetto wins.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Axiom » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:45 pm

Rival boost and SSJ3 and blah blah blah - I never read any of that when I read the Manga.

I know the Math says that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Base Gogeta, and I know that Gogeta was supposed to be the "fusion" that beat Buu.
Otherwise, Vegetto may be stronger than Gogeta, but it can't be my much, the sole advantage must be the duration of the fusion itself. Everything else is just bunk in my opinion.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:03 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, I was relying on my memory. I guess I was wrong. :P

Still, in Ultimate Butoden, only Vegetto wins.
The first link I saw of the fight has Gogeta win and then Goku and Vegeta separate. This was all in cutscenes so it's probably the same as Raging Blast.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by MDSTSSJ » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:46 pm

I personally believe in the One Level Theory!
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Draken » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:54 am

I personally see Gogeta and Vegetto as near equals.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Kakashi » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:46 am

Draken wrote:I personally see Gogeta and Vegetto as near equals.
Vegetto > Gogeta
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Nazi Cola » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:09 pm

Why would Potara be showered with such praise if it produced power nearly equivalent to the Fusion Dance? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Draken » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:18 pm

Kakashi wrote:
Draken wrote:I personally see Gogeta and Vegetto as near equals.
Vegetto > Gogeta
I said "near" equals.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Kakashi » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:44 pm

Draken wrote:
Kakashi wrote:
Draken wrote:I personally see Gogeta and Vegetto as near equals.
Vegetto > Gogeta
I said "near" equals.
My bad, Vegetto is much stronger than Gogeta
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Draken » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:01 pm

Kakashi wrote:
My bad, Vegetto is much stronger than Gogeta
Someone spouting out opinion as fact again, who'd have thunk :lol:
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Axiom » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:19 pm

Draken wrote:
Kakashi wrote:
My bad, Vegetto is much stronger than Gogeta
Someone spouting out opinion as fact again, who'd have thunk :lol:
I know who he is...

Anyhow, the earrings are said to be a STRONGER fusion, in terms of time, I don't remember it being imlpied that it makes the fusion itself stronger. I could be wrong.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:21 pm

Old Kai said that the effect would be greater than fusion.
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Axiom » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:26 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Old Kai said that the effect would be greater than fusion.
You sure?
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Re: Vegetto/Gogeta Rank

Post by Kaboom » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:29 pm

Draken wrote:
Kakashi wrote:My bad, Vegetto is much stronger than Gogeta
Someone spouting out opinion as fact again, who'd have thunk :lol:
Again, this sort of comment does not help anything. Rein it in, please.
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