Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

[Axiom]

That just shows that he didn't sense Goku's power earlier. So why would he have sensed Buu's?
And of course it matters. He's talking about Mr. Buu, not Fat Buu. There's a difference.

Wait - he sensed and knew of SSJ3 Goku, Sensed and knew of Skinny Buu, and NOW forgets/doesn't know about SSJ3? As I've always said before, Goku wasn't full power when he fought FatBuu. Twisting things even further than you already have just makes even less sense.

He saw Goku. Nothing ever says he sensed him. He saw Gray Buu, nothing ever says he sensed him.
And I'm twisting things? Goku says flat out that he can't beat Super Buu! How much more blatant can you get?

He saw Grey Buu and tells Goku and SuperBuu that GreyBuu was weaker. How would he know without sensing power?

[Kamiccolo9]

He saw Grey Buu and tells Goku and SuperBuu that GreyBuu was weaker. How would he know without sensing power?

Because it makes sense. Gray Buu ate Mr. Buu and transformed, and Super Buu LOOKS stronger. If you saw Gray Buu and Super Buu standing next to each other, who would you think is stronger?

And you never answered what I said. You said I was twisting words, yet you choose to ignore a blatant power statement that Goku is weaker than Super Buu. Out of curiosity, what does Viz say for that line?

[Draken]

He saw Grey Buu and tells Goku and SuperBuu that GreyBuu was weaker. How would he know without sensing power?

Goku flat out says he can't beat Super Buu. How could he say that without... saying that? Vegeta never contradicted his statement, which seems to be a line you like bringing up. "Vegeta never contradicted it so it's true." Well here you go. Vegeta never contradicted Super Buu > Goku + Vegeta.

[PerfectFreeza]

He could safely predict that by Boo's reactions to him threatening to pull off Good Boo.

[Axiom]

He saw Grey Buu and tells Goku and SuperBuu that GreyBuu was weaker. How would he know without sensing power?

Because it makes sense. Gray Buu ate Mr. Buu and transformed, and Super Buu LOOKS stronger. If you saw Gray Buu and Super Buu standing next to each other, who would you think is stronger?

And you never answered what I said. You said I was twisting words, yet you choose to ignore a blatant power statement that Goku is weaker than Super Buu. Out of curiosity, what does Viz say for that line?

No, it doesn't make sense at all. How does Buu get stronger or weaker from eating himself? What will he turn into? None of these questions are known until AFTER Buu turns into KidBuu.

And Viz says the same thing Herms says as far as I know.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't know, maybe Vegeta thought that ripping pods out of Buu made him weaker? That tearing out powerful people he absorbed lowers his strength dramatically? Though I don't know where he got that idea.

He just says it seems he'll get weaker. He's using basic logic.

[Kamiccolo9]

He could safely predict that by Boo's reactions to him threatening to pull off Good Boo.

That makes sense too. Vegeta grabs Buu's pod, and Super Buu starts freaking out. Even before he says "I won't be me anymore," it's obvious that he's scared of being disconnected.

He saw Grey Buu and tells Goku and SuperBuu that GreyBuu was weaker. How would he know without sensing power?

Because it makes sense. Gray Buu ate Mr. Buu and transformed, and Super Buu LOOKS stronger. If you saw Gray Buu and Super Buu standing next to each other, who would you think is stronger?

And you never answered what I said. You said I was twisting words, yet you choose to ignore a blatant power statement that Goku is weaker than Super Buu. Out of curiosity, what does Viz say for that line?

No, it doesn't make sense at all. How does Buu get stronger or weaker from eating himself? What will he turn into? None of these questions are known until AFTER Buu turns into KidBuu.

And Viz says the same thing Herms says as far as I know.

Who cares how he got stronger? Vegeta apparently saw Gray Buu eat Mr. Buu, and transform. It's obvious he got stronger from that.

[Axiom]

He saw Grey Buu and tells Goku and SuperBuu that GreyBuu was weaker. How would he know without sensing power?

Goku flat out says he can't beat Super Buu. How could he say that without... saying that? Vegeta never contradicted his statement, which seems to be a line you like bringing up. "Vegeta never contradicted it so it's true." Well here you go. Vegeta never contradicted Super Buu > Goku + Vegeta.

Well, Goku and Vegeta both did - like twice.




And then the comparison to Gohan and the others -

Notice the phrasing Gohan AND Gotenks are needed to fight WITH us.

Don't know how much more clear it gets than that.

[Axiom]

Who cares how he got stronger? Vegeta apparently saw Gray Buu eat Mr. Buu, and transform. It's obvious he got stronger from that.

But I thought that Superbuu was just as strong as Fatbuu? And for the record, Buu freaks out AFTER Vegeta threatens to tear out the pod.

[Kamiccolo9]

Who cares how he got stronger? Vegeta apparently saw Gray Buu eat Mr. Buu, and transform. It's obvious he got stronger from that.

But I thought that Superbuu was just as strong as Fatbuu? And for the record, Buu freaks out AFTER Buu threatens to tear out the pod.

But not Mr. Buu. Who is the one that Vegeta is holding. And who he thinks that Buu will turn into after pulling him out.

[PerfectFreeza]

If Boo absorbs either Gohan or Gotenks, they are done for.
If the two of them go at him, he has little to no chance of doing that.More so, Goku was just listing his thoughts.
Only Goku, Vegeta and Kibitoshin(and Good Boo, but he was in Pure Boo at the time) were the only ones alive.
Vegeta was also comparing himself with Goku, as the point of that whole scene was him finally admiting Goku will always be ahead of him.

[Axiom]

Who cares how he got stronger? Vegeta apparently saw Gray Buu eat Mr. Buu, and transform. It's obvious he got stronger from that.

But I thought that Superbuu was just as strong as Fatbuu? And for the record, Buu freaks out AFTER Buu threatens to tear out the pod.

But not Mr. Buu. Who is the one that Vegeta is holding. And who he thinks that Buu will turn into after pulling him out.

But I thought Vegeta couldn't sense power? Why wouldn't he assume he would turn back into the same (powerful) Fatbuu who he fought before?

[Kamiccolo9]

But I thought Vegeta couldn't sense power? Why wouldn't he assume he would turn back into the same (powerful) Fatbuu who he fought before?

Mr. Buu is right in front of him. I don't know why, and it doesn't really matter. The most direct translation we have says that he thinks that Super Buu will become either Mr. Buu or Gray Buu.

[Axiom]

If Boo absorbs either Gohan or Gotenks, they are done for.
If the two of them go at him, he has little to no chance of doing that.More so, Goku was just listing his thoughts.
Only Goku, Vegeta and Kibitoshin(and Good Boo, but he was in Pure Boo at the time) were the only ones alive.
Vegeta was also comparing himself with Goku, as the point of that whole scene was him finally admiting Goku will always be ahead of him.

What? Did you even read the scans I posted above? Gohan and Gotenks aren't even thought of as a valid alternative. Both Goku AND Vegeta where brought back to life just to fight him. Goku suggest doing such for BOTH Gotenks and Gohan to help fight - there was no definitive statement that they were capable of beating him.

But I thought Vegeta couldn't sense power? Why wouldn't he assume he would turn back into the same (powerful) Fatbuu who he fought before?

Mr. Buu is right in front of him. I don't know why, and it doesn't really matter. The most direct translation we have says that he thinks that Super Buu will become either Mr. Buu or Gray Buu.

One of two things is happening here -
Vegeta CAN sense power from otherworld (which he indicated he could) and saw Buu get weaker when he split into two
OR
Vegeta can't sense power from otherworld and just made up a random guess based on nothing.

[Kamiccolo9]

But I thought Vegeta couldn't sense power? Why wouldn't he assume he would turn back into the same (powerful) Fatbuu who he fought before?

Mr. Buu is right in front of him. I don't know why, and it doesn't really matter. The most direct translation we have says that he thinks that Super Buu will become either Mr. Buu or Gray Buu.

One of two things is happening here -
Vegeta CAN sense power from otherworld (which he indicated he could) and saw Buu get weaker when he split into two
OR
Vegeta can't sense power from otherworld and just made up a random guess based on nothing.

Or he's making a logical guess that pulling out a guy Buu absorbed will result in him getting weaker?

[Axiom]

Or he's making a logical guess that pulling out a guy Buu absorbed will result in him getting weaker?

Vegeta says that Fatbuu spit out the skinny one, and the skinny one ate him. As far as he knows, the Buu would turn back into his full power fat self, or Skinny buu. That's it.

[Kamiccolo9]

Or he's making a logical guess that pulling out a guy Buu absorbed will result in him getting weaker?

Vegeta says that Fatbuu spit out the skinny one, and the skinny one ate him. As far as he knows, the Buu would turn back into his full power fat self, or Skinny buu. That's it.

Or the weak fat self that got eaten?

[Axiom]

Or he's making a logical guess that pulling out a guy Buu absorbed will result in him getting weaker?

Vegeta says that Fatbuu spit out the skinny one, and the skinny one ate him. As far as he knows, the Buu would turn back into his full power fat self, or Skinny buu. That's it.

Or the weak fat self that got eaten?

Supposedly he can't sense power, remember?

[Kamiccolo9]

Supposedly he can't sense power, remember?

Except Mr. Buu is two feet away from Vegeta.

[PerfectFreeza]

What? Did you even read the scans I posted above? Gohan and Gotenks aren't even thought of as a valid alternative. Both Goku AND Vegeta where brought back to life just to fight him. Goku suggest doing such for BOTH Gotenks and Gohan to help fight - there was no definitive statement that they were capable of beating him.

How aren't they thought as a valid way?
Herms's translation says FIGHT, not HELP.
Goku: “Oh, I know! You’ll bring Gohan and Gotenks back to life so they can fight.”
Vegeta: “No.”