They just didn't put the +. They did the same thing for Gohan's Ultimate form and incorrectly listed Vegeta's debut. The actual description after that also suggests he was a SS2. So that doesn't mean anything, it is at the very worst a light implication that is inconsistent within that very page. The only official statement on the matter is Daizenshuu 7.Kaboom wrote:Like it or not, Daizenshuu #2 also indicates that high school age Gohan only used Super Saiyan 2 in Volume 37, not 38 when he fought Dabra. So even the same series of guidebooks are contradictory on the matter.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Don't have to follow Daizenshuu on EVERYTHING. It's not the holybook of DB.RandomGuy96 wrote:They just didn't put the +. They did the same thing for Gohan's Ultimate form and incorrectly listed Vegeta's debut. The actual description after that also suggests he was a SS2. So that doesn't mean anything, it is at the very worst a light implication that is inconsistent within that very page. The only official statement on the matter is Daizenshuu 7.Kaboom wrote:Like it or not, Daizenshuu #2 also indicates that high school age Gohan only used Super Saiyan 2 in Volume 37, not 38 when he fought Dabra. So even the same series of guidebooks are contradictory on the matter.
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Re: The problem with identifying SSJ2
I don't have to, I want to. Especially when it goes along with what makes sense in the story.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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It's very easy in the manga to identify Super Saiyan 2, mostly thanks to the aura.
And as much as it doesn't make sense, Gohan was always a Super Saiyan after the Budokai IMO. It makes more sense for Gohan to be a Super Saiyan 2, I know, but it would also make more sense if Goku was a Super Saiyan 3 against Rild in GT (Chozenshuu 4 falsely says that he was, lol), it would make more sense for Goku to be a Super Saiyan 2 against Freeza & Cell, and it would also make more sense for Gohan, Goten, and Trunks to use Ultimate & SS3 Fusion against Super #17 & Super Yi Xing Long.
And as much as it doesn't make sense, Gohan was always a Super Saiyan after the Budokai IMO. It makes more sense for Gohan to be a Super Saiyan 2, I know, but it would also make more sense if Goku was a Super Saiyan 3 against Rild in GT (Chozenshuu 4 falsely says that he was, lol), it would make more sense for Goku to be a Super Saiyan 2 against Freeza & Cell, and it would also make more sense for Gohan, Goten, and Trunks to use Ultimate & SS3 Fusion against Super #17 & Super Yi Xing Long.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Opinion. For many it doesn't make sense. He haven't used the form in SEVEN YEARSRandomGuy96 wrote:I don't have to, I want to. Especially when it goes along with what makes sense in the story.
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He didn't seem to have any big problem going Super Saiyan 2 against Kibito, and he wasn't even angry.TheGmGoken wrote:He haven't used the form in SEVEN YEARS
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He was angry. At least ticked off. He wasn't AS angry as he was with Sppoavich but he was still a little angryDBZGTKOSDH wrote:He didn't seem to have any big problem going Super Saiyan 2 against Kibito, and he wasn't even angry.TheGmGoken wrote:He haven't used the form in SEVEN YEARS
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Same against Boo's Ball. Yet he didn't even transform...TheGmGoken wrote:He was angry. At least ticked off. He wasn't AS angry as he was with Sppoavich but he was still a little angryDBZGTKOSDH wrote:He didn't seem to have any big problem going Super Saiyan 2 against Kibito, and he wasn't even angry.TheGmGoken wrote:He haven't used the form in SEVEN YEARS
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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No, he was completely calm, and almost jovial. He even does the sunglasses gag and gets embarassed. He says that he can't get angry like he did as a kid later (i.e. when getting angry caused him to go SS2), so no, him going SS2 out of anger isn't the case.
Also, that's REALLY not how using rage as a catalyst works.
I still wonder why some think he was a SS2 against Broly.
^Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He said he can't get mad like he did as a kid when attacking Buu's ball.
Also, that's REALLY not how using rage as a catalyst works.
I still wonder why some think he was a SS2 against Broly.
^Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He said he can't get mad like he did as a kid when attacking Buu's ball.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The problem with identifying SSJ2
Gohan probably thought Dabra wasn't worth the transformation or something. I just think it's highly unlikely that Gohan and Dabra are clashing at Super Saiyan 2 level.
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You don't believe that?I still wonder why some think he was a SS2 against Broly.
Okay for one. It took him long to transform and I got this from IAMAWESOME but. It juts so happens this one time Toriyama forgot the sparks while he was drawing sparks for Majin Vegeta and Goku.No, he was completely calm, and almost jovial. He even does the sunglasses gag and gets embarassed. He says that he can't get angry like he did as a kid later (i.e. when getting angry caused him to go SS2), so no, him going SS2 out of anger isn't the case.
Also, that's REALLY not how using rage as a catalyst works.
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And he didn't transform against Buu's ball or on the way to fight Dabra again after losing because...?Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Gohan probably thought Dabra wasn't worth the transformation or something. I just think it's highly unlikely that Gohan and Dabra are clashing at Super Saiyan 2 level.
I also find it highly unlikely he'd just hold back on the guy who turned his mentor into stone, and who almost killed him thrice. Gohan wouldn't just hold back power for a good fight, if anything he'd want it over quickly.
I believe he was one against Broly, but I don't know why that case is different from the Dabra one.
It didn't take him a long time, he transformed instantly on command.
Toriyama also likes to draw sparks on powerful Super Saiyans (Vegetto, Goku in Neko) and take away the sparks for weak/reduced power SS2s (Goku against Yakon, Majin Vegeta before eating the senzu).
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The problem with identifying SSJ2
Don't feel like making this into the "How strong as Dabura " topic Version 2. So I'm done.
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Re: The problem with identifying SSJ2
Whatever form Gohan used from his fight with Dabra to drawing the Z-Sword, it was the same form. His aura shape had the SS shape instead of the SS2 shape, and never displayed sparks. His face isn't as sharp as it is in his SS2 form. His hairstyle is closer to his SS hairstyle. So, he is a Super Saiyan, not a Super Saiyan 2. But why isn't he a Super Saiyan 2? Here is my answer:
- Against Dabra: He didn't have to do it. He was already strong enough to defeat him in his Super Saiyan form, proof is that they were fighting more or less evenly. Problem was that his skills sucked due to his lack of training, so it was taking him too long to finish Dabra. Even Vegeta was complaining because it was taking too long for Gohan to beat him.
- While trying to destroy Majin Boo's Ball: Gohan was panicked & in a hurry, and as we saw in the Budokai, he required some time to transform into a Super Saiyan 2, since he didn't train much. So, he was trying to trigger the transformation faster through his rage. Problem was though that he couldn't even use his hidden powers due to not training much for all these years, failing to transform into a Super Saiyan 2.
- Against Majin Boo: He didn't have time to transform, and he was in panic, so he tried to escape, only to be defeated.
- While pulling the Z-Sword: He didn't need Super Saiyan 2, he was already strong enough to pull it in regular Super Saiyan.
Because he was. The Daizenshuu proved this through character designs.RandomGuy96 wrote:I still wonder why some think he was a SS2 against Broly.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Because he couldn't. I think Gohan had a mental block of some sort...or he wasn't willing to use Super Saiyan 2 unless he really had no choice. Once Boo arrives, Gohan basically tells Kaioshin that while Boo is has an absurd amount of power, he isn't unbeatable...if he could use all of his power. I think this "power" he's referring to is Super Saiyan 2.RandomGuy96 wrote:And he didn't transform against Buu's ball or one the way to fight Dabra again after losing because...?Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Gohan probably thought Dabra wasn't worth the transformation or something. I just think it's highly unlikely that Gohan and Dabra are clashing at Super Saiyan 2 level.
I do, too. Then again, Gohan later saw how desperate Super Boo was, yet still opted to watch Gotenks fight rather than finish him off. I don't think he was purposely holding his power back. I honestly think he couldn't bring his Super Saiyan 2 powers out.I also find it highly unlikely he'd just hold back on the guy who turned his mentor into stone, and who almost killed him thrice. Gohan wouldn't just hold back power for a good fight, if anything he'd want it over quickly.
Goku didn't fully transform against Yakon--it was only a burst of power before he reverted back to Super Saiyan.Toriyama also likes to draw sparks on powerful Super Saiyans (Vegetto, Goku in Neko) and take away the sparks for weak/reduced power SS2s (Goku against Yakon, Majin Vegeta before eating the senzu).
It really doesn't make much sense for Gohan to have the sparks within his aura in Super Saiyan 2 during the tournament, only to make an effort to show how weak he is by drawing him as a Super Saiyan much later. If he had a basic Super Saiyan aura during Kibito's display, but was stated to be Super Saiyan 2, I'd think it's more likely than not that the lack of sparks was to insinuate how much weaker he is. However, I don't see it that way.
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Gohan has never been the type to hold back for the sake of a good fight. I'd think that if he could just one-shot this guy and get his friends back, he would've.Against Dabra: He didn't have to do it. He was already strong enough to defeat him in his Super Saiyan form, proof is that they were fighting more or less evenly. Problem was that his skills sucked due to his lack of training, so it was taking him too long to finish Dabra. Even Vegeta was complaining because it was taking too long for Gohan to beat him.
I don't remember him requiring time. He just did it instantly. I see no reason why he wouldn't do the same here. Also, why didn't he transform on the way to fight Dabra after knowing his normal SS power wasn't enough? Kaioshin specifically said to "get mad", which would be dumb if Gohan can transform on command, and would make Gohan look like an idiot for not doing so.While trying to destroy Majin Boo's Ball: Gohan was panicked & in a hurry, and as we saw in the Budokai, he required some time to transform into a Super Saiyan 2, since he didn't train much. So, he was trying to trigger the transformation faster through his rage. Problem was though that he couldn't even use his hidden powers due to not training much for all these years, failing to transform into a Super Saiyan 2.
The Daizenshuu also said he was a SS2 against Dabra, yet many are reluctant to accept that. Yet they do it wholeheartedly for Broly. The Daiz seems to make a distinction for Gohan with one bang and Gohan with two; he had one during all the aformentioned scenes and against Broly. He had two when sparring with Goten and during the final beam struggle with Broly.Because he was. The Daizenshuu proved this through character designs.
This is another scene that makes little sense if he was a SS: he says that "it's not like there's nothing I can do" to Initial Fatso if he gets all his true power. So already he's established fatso as SS2-tier. The phrasing also makes me think he wanted to tap into Cell Games levels of power, as he specifically said ALL Of it, and Goku said he could still access that power. Yet then Gohan gets surprised and damn near pisses himself when a SS2-tier guy one-shots a supposedly MSS-tier guy. If Dabra was that weak, I don't think Gohan would be shocked. He'd probably laugh at Buu.Because he couldn't. I think Gohan had a mental block of some sort...or he wasn't willing to use Super Saiyan 2 unless he really had no choice. Once Boo arrives, Gohan basically tells Kaioshin that while Boo is has an absurd amount of power, he isn't unbeatable...if he could use all of his power. I think this "power" he's referring to is Super Saiyan 2.
Yet he did easily and on command at the Budokai...I do, too. Then again, Gohan later saw how desperate Super Boo was, yet still opted to watch Gotenks fight rather than finish him off. I don't think he was purposely holding his power back. I honestly think he couldn't bring his Super Saiyan 2 powers out.
Gohan can just step in at any time if things are going bad for Gotenks. You can't really blame him for not knowing about absorption, as no one told him about that and Buu just kind of pulled it out of nowhere. It's not the smartest thing to do, but it definitely doesn't care to just randomly holding back against the guy who's trying to kill him.
He was still a SS2.Goku didn't fully transform against Yakon--it was only a burst of power before he reverted back to Super Saiyan.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Yeah, don't ask me what he had in his mind. Maybe he wanted to save energy or something. Vegeta's comments imply that Gohan was strong enough to beat Dabra, but it was taking him too long because of his lack of training.RandomGuy96 wrote:Gohan has never been the type to hold back for the sake of a good fight. I'd think that if he could just one-shot this guy and get his friends back, he would've.
You should check again. He does need some time to focus.RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't remember him requiring time. He just did it instantly. I see no reason why he wouldn't do the same here.
This is entirely different. They didn't just say that Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2, they showed it to us.RandomGuy96 wrote:The Daizenshuu also said he was a SS2 against Dabra, yet many are reluctant to accept that. Yet they do it wholeheartedly for Broly.
These are the designs for M9 & M10 Gohan from Daizenshuu 6 BTW.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It really would have been better if Gohan never appeared as an SS2 in the Majin saga.
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Maybe. But I think Akira Toriyama, being the "seat-of-his-pants" guy that he is, changed his mind on how he wanted to draw SSJ2 Gohan, that's all.It really doesn't make much sense for Gohan to have the sparks within his aura in Super Saiyan 2 during the tournament, only to make an effort to show how weak he is by drawing him as a Super Saiyan much later.
From what I could see, it only took 2-3 panels.You should check again. He does need some time to focus.
Or if he had had a better editor >_<!It really would have been better if Gohan never appeared as an SS2 in the Majin saga.
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Re: The problem with identifying SSJ2
You mean an editor that would make sure Gohan never appeared as an SS2? Sure lolOr if he had had a better editor >_<!
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