Are Episode of Bardock and Tarble OVA official parts of DBZ?

[Low Tone G]

No, that's what we're saying. Trying to use AGE 737 makes Jaco not fit, and using AGE 739 make a decent amount of other stuff not fit. Jaco can't take place in AGE 737. It has to be AGE 739 and Goku has to be two years old, because the manga is stated to take place ~10 years before Dragon Ball and Bluma's age in Jaco fits in with her official birth year. So, Toriyama has now decided on a specific year for the destruction of planet Vegeta in his own manga continuity.

Also, both Goku's armor and Gohan are scuffed up from their brawl, meaning it was on him when they fought. None of the house seems to be wrecked though (besides a plate), so it didn't happen indoors. In all likelihood, Goku exited the pod himself, fully clothed, and went on to attack Son Gohan. After defeating the boy, he dragged him to the house for food and offered him a home.

I do understand now...

So if we go that Jaco tha Galactic Partolman is intirely canon as having that creator solely Toriyama, the history of Dragon Ball might change like this:

Age 637: Goku is born, but not sent immediately to Earth
Age 638 or Age 639: Goku was sent to Earth, Beerus fell asleep, Bardock had somehow (completely unknown how he got into the situation) the "fight" to stop Freeza, but killed or sent in the distant past.
Age 639: The earlier events of Jaco manga took place. Goku arrived on Earth, had the fight against Son Gohan, and being "adopted" by him.
Age 649: The Jaco manga's later events took place and Goku was about to meet Bulma for the first time.
Age 673: The Majin Buu saga took place
Age 675: Bulma and all the heroes(save for Vegeta) somehow met Tarlbe for the first time.
Age 678: The events of Battle of Gods movie took place, but Bulma's age wasn't correct, as she should be sould be right 45 years right on that day.
Age 678 or 679: Pan was born
Age 679 or 680: Bra was born

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well, other than you typoing all the years to be in the 600s instead of 700s, these are my only notes:

Bardock's fight with Freeza, planet Vegeta's destruction and lBeerus falling asleep definitely happened in AGE 739. It's true that we don't know exactly when Goku was shipped out though. Might have happened in AGE 739 like the other events, or it could have happened in late AGE 738 and the trip took a little while. Most of the attack balls we see in the series are pretty fast though, so I'd think it was probably in AGE 739. Perhaps the special content with Gine will clear that up though?

Buu Arc takes place in 74, not 73.

Following off the above, if we are using the general basis of the JSAT (2 years after Buu, we meet Vegeta's brother), thenTarble would be met in 76 and not 75.

It's probably safe to use Pan and Bra's official birth years. Pan's age will work out correctly with Battle of Gods and the original manga, and we now know Bra is indeed younger than Gohan's daughter. So Pan in AGE 779 and Bra in AGE 780.

[Low Tone G]

Thanks for correction. But what is your opinion, what could make Bardock to go in space and fight Frieza if didn't know anything about Frieza's intentions other than had the ability to see the future? Personally I think that Freeza's henchmen attacked the saiyans on Planet Vegeta and Bardock somehow could get to Freeza's ship.

But how with Bulma's age to be only 38 while she's older than Goku? Could Bulma wish for being younger than Goku, as we could see that she owns the Dragon Ball in BOG?

Perhaps the special content with Gine will clear that up though?

I really hope so!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Unless we get other information on the events, I'm just going to assume that Bardock faced Freeza the same way he did in A Lonesome, Final Battle. It's easier that way, as you don't really have to make up almost and entirely new plot. Ya basically just need to shift it 2 years on the timeline and cut out the baby Goku bits, or at least swap them with toddler Goku and have less crying.

So, Bardock and his group would take Kanassa, they'd be ambushed on planet Meat By Dodoria and his him. Bardock returns to planet Vegeta as the lone survivor and was determined to defeat Freeza when he arrives to wipe them all out. Given recent revelations, maybe have him worry about Kakarotto, Raditz and Gine, instead of just the first during his "death".

Others will argue that they just screwed up, and that may be true, but I still think Mai and Bluma's incorrect ages were meant to be played as a very subtle joke about women often lying about that aspect. I'm just going to assume that Kuririn is surprised to find out her age, and if there hadn't been more important things going on, he would have thought about it and realized that didn't add up since he knows she's no younger than him. Heck, even the Dragon Ball SD adaptation made a joke about Bluma being asked her age and saying she's always 16 in SD, with Kuririn saying that he just accepts that that makes him 13...

[Low Tone G]

Given recent revelations, maybe have him worry about Kakarotto, Raditz and Gine, instead of just the first during his "death".

Recent revelations? Do You mean also the Jaco manga? Or what?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So are implying that Episode of Bardock could be treated "more" canon than the Frist Bardock TV special?

Well, the TV Special is nothing more than part of the anime, and it's not even written by Toriyama, so I don't see any reason to treat it differently from filler, especially when it contradicts recent Toriyama stuff.

Episode of Bardock is also not written by Toriyama, but it's a separate thing from the anime, and can fit with the manga.

That last part raises an interesting point, I think. Just because Tarble is part of Battle of Gods's canon doesn't necessarily mean the story he appeared in is. As far as Toriyama or the writers of Battle of Gods are concerned, their meeting with Tarble could have happened slightly or totally differently. It's sort of up to them, and as always, we can only really make assumptions. This is just another reason that canon can be so up in the air and fluid.

Well, that could be possible, but I don't see any reason to assume that a different story happened when we already have 2 versions of the same story working just fine.

[Low Tone G]

Episode of Bardock is also not written by Toriyama, but it's a separate thing from the anime, and can fit with the manga

It isn't written, but directed by him, and he is who onws the original concept, according to the cover's text. Ooishi Naho was the drawer. Given that the manga's original idea of the jump special from 2008 was of Toriyama, it wouldn't surprise me if in the case of EOB could happen the same, especially if that was the second manga made by the collaboration of Akira Toriyama and Ooishi Naho.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Recent revelations? Do You mean also the Jaco manga? Or what?

More about Toriyama's interview where he mentions family and relationships not being very important to Saiyans outside the royal family, but Bardock and Gine have a stronger bond. So let him think about more than Kakarotto when he thinks he's about to die. Even if it's just a "Gine...Raditz...Kakarottoooooo!" before the explosion.

Of course this all depends on what the special Jaco material is. Maybe we'll get a page showing what their family was doing the final day of planet Vegeta's existence. Who knows.

[Low Tone G]

Thanks! It's clear!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It isn't written, but directed by him,

You can't direct a manga, that was a mistranslation from what I recall. He was actually a supervisor, and he has supervised nearly everything (the whole anime, guidebooks, SD, etc).

and he is who onws the original concept, according to the cover's text.

Isn't Toriyama credited for the original story, which is the original manga? Because from what I recall, Toriyama only supervised EoB, and designed Chilled.

[Hellspawn28]

If Bluma knows Tarble is then the Jump special happen. If it's reference once then it happen.

[Low Tone G]

It isn't written, but directed by him,

You can't direct a manga, that was a mistranslation from what I recall. He was actually a supervisor, and he has supervised nearly everything (the whole anime, guidebooks, SD, etc).

and he is who onws the original concept, according to the cover's text.

Isn't Toriyama credited for the original story, which is the original manga? Because from what I recall, Toriyama only supervised EoB, and designed Chilled.

I don't speak Japanese, but on the English cover we can read that Toriyama owns the Original Concept, whatever that means.

[Bussani]

Well, that could be possible, but I don't see any reason to assume that a different story happened when we already have 2 versions of the same story working just fine.

For me it's about not assuming anything, but I guess that's easy for me since I don't care very much about what is and isn't canon. I'm mostly just curious about what the creators think rather than interested in trying to fit things together.