Broly's Power?

[dbzfan7]

Daizenshuu 6 on Movie 10
http://web.archive.org/web/201111040332 ... dbz10#link

Daizenshuu 7 on Broly
http://web.archive.org/web/201110211707 ... _a-c#broli

The D7 doesn't really give anything, but D6 does have SSJ Broly's bio as having power that surpasses Goku. You can take that as SSJ Broly>SSJ Goku or just his LSSJ>SSJ Goku this movie comes before Goku's SSJ2 and SSJ3 are known so who knows. Some argue Goku was SSJ2 in the final struggle because his hair bangs changed while Gotens didn't at the final moment.

I personally treat LSSJ as a mutated SSJ2. I give it a higher boost than SSJ2, but not higher than SSJ3. I'd say 150x base at the most you can give the LSSJ multiplier.

For the Movie's I'd say Broly is at best Full Power Perfect Cell. Though I peg him below that. Maybe FPSSJ Gohan...or in between him and FP Cell.

Movie 10 Broly can range between SPC to SSJ2 Goku or a bit higher. Though he'd still be weaker than any version of Boo. Going with the possible implication that SSJ Broly> SSJ Goku and how I believe Goku didn't get a whole lot stronger between the 7 year gap (excluding transformations) I think he may be a bit higher than SSJ2 Goku. Even so Goku and Paikuhan could double team him and win as well as a Goku Vegeta team up. This is just me and I'm not saying I'm correct. I don't really like to debate anymore.

[Super Vegetto]

A Super Saiyan that has achieved a different evolution!!

Broli appeared in the movie "Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super Fierce Fight". His final form resembles Super Saiyan Grade Three. But his speed is ultra first-class, and he could be called a Super Saiyan who has achieved a different evolution than Goku and the others!

[KentalSSJ6]

A Super Saiyan that has achieved a different evolution!!

Broli appeared in the movie "Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super Fierce Fight". His final form resembles Super Saiyan Grade Three. But his speed is ultra first-class, and he could be called a Super Saiyan who has achieved a different evolution than Goku and the others!

So what, theres 3 classes of Saiyan Evolution? We got SSJ1-3, LSSJ1-3, and SSJ4 now?

[Super Vegetto]

A Super Saiyan that has achieved a different evolution!!

Broli appeared in the movie "Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super Fierce Fight". His final form resembles Super Saiyan Grade Three. But his speed is ultra first-class, and he could be called a Super Saiyan who has achieved a different evolution than Goku and the others!

So what, theres 3 classes of Saiyan Evolution? We got SSJ1-3, LSSJ1-3, and SSJ4 now?

I have no idea what you just writed. This guid talks about LSSJ form resembling SSJG3 with first class speed, or the different evolution of SSJ level...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So what, theres 3 classes of Saiyan Evolution? We got SSJ1-3, LSSJ1-3, and SSJ4 now?

We have...

Base --> Pseudo Super Saiyan
____ --> Super Saiyan (Full Power) --> Super Saiyan Grade 2 --> Super Saiyan Grade 3
_____________________________--> Super Saiyan 2 --> Super Saiyan 3
_____________________________--> Legendary Super Saiyan --> Legendary Super Saiyan 3
____ --> Oozaru --> Golden Oozaru --> Super Saiyan 4
____ --> Super Saiyan God

So, there are 6 classes!

[Low Tone G]

So what, theres 3 classes of Saiyan Evolution? We got SSJ1-3, LSSJ1-3, and SSJ4 now?

We have...

Base --> Pseudo Super Saiyan
____ --> Super Saiyan (Full Power) --> Super Saiyan Grade 2 --> Super Saiyan Grade 3
_____________________________--> Super Saiyan 2 --> Super Saiyan 3
_____________________________--> Legendary Super Saiyan --> Legendary Super Saiyan 3
____ --> Oozaru --> Golden Oozaru --> Super Saiyan 4
____ --> Super Saiyan God

So, there are 6 classes!

I see it more like his:

Base--> Pseudo Super Saiyan
____--> Super Saiyan --> Super Saiyan Grade 2 --> Super Saiyan Grade 3
__________________--> Full Powered Super Saiyan --> Super Saiyan 2 --> Super Saiyan 3
__________________--> Legendary Super Saiyan --> Legendary Super Saiyan 3
____--> Oozaru --> Golden Oozaru --> Super Saiyan 4
____--> Super Saiyan God

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Saiyan Full Power doesn't come after Super Saiyan, it replaces it. Or rather, Super Saiyan permanently evolves to Super Saiyan Full Power.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

Broly is nowhere near boo power in any of the movies

[Low Tone G]

Super Saiyan Full Power doesn't come after Super Saiyan, it replaces it. Or rather, Super Saiyan permanently evolves to Super Saiyan Full Power.

I know, but the SSJ Full Power it's not the base for Super Saiyan Grade 2 and 3, but the Basic Super Saiyan level can be developed into Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan, as the two basic grades of Super Saiyan. As reaching Full Power Super Saiyan a saiyan can go further to Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3. Of course Full powered SSJ is the same like the Basic SSJ, just stronger, but you sketched it like to go SSJ Grade 2 you must have Full Powered SSJ, but that isn't true. Vegeta and Trunks went from Basic SSJ to ASSJ.

[AGentlemanSaiyan]

I just see forms as this.
Super saiyan< FP super saiyan < grade 2 < grade 3
|
Super saiyan 2
|
Super saiyan 3

Super saiyan < legendary Super saiyan < legendary super saiyan 3

Super Saiyan God

Super Saiyan Hybrid/ Oozaru super saiyan aka Super saiyan 4

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Was Goku even an SSJ2 at the time?

Goten and Trunks certainly looked the same age, and Gohan already knew Videl, so Goku must already be SSJ3. The movie most likely takes place just before the Tournament Saga.

[Hitiro]

Super Saiyan Full Power doesn't come after Super Saiyan, it replaces it. Or rather, Super Saiyan permanently evolves to Super Saiyan Full Power.

Full Power Super Saiyan isn't even an improvement, in terms of power, on the original form. It's simply they have better ki management so they can maintain the transformation with the minimum required energy which allows them to fight longer and put less worry on how much energy they need to conserve. I wouldn't even consider it an "evolution" it's just "I can do this transformation better." It's not as if it is a permanent thing either, I think. If they really wanted to they could go back to the old gas guzzling version of the form.

[xmysticgohanx]

A little update on my Broly power levels; I'll start with movie 10 first. The interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku. It can't be by a lot though because in movie 11 Goku was confident he would win with Pikkon's help (Pikkon is SSJ tier). For movie 8, since in movie 10 SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan it's clear the LSSJ is a bigger boost than SSJ2. In movie 8 a weaker Cell Games SSJ Vegeta's kick and blast didn't hurt SSJ Broly. Let's say LSSJ is a 150x boost or a 3x SSJ boost. I'm not sure but I think he's FP Cell level.

[Hitiro]

A little update on my Broly power levels; I'll start with movie 10 first. The interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku. It can't be by a lot though because in movie 11 Goku was confident he would win with Paikuhan's help (Paikuhan is SSJ tier). For movie 8, since in movie 10 SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan it's clear the LSSJ is a bigger boost than SSJ2. In movie 8 a weaker Cell Games SSJ Vegeta's kick and blast didn't hurt SSJ Broly. Let's say LSSJ is a 150x boost or a 3x SSJ boost. I'm not sure but I think he's FP Cell level.

What interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku? If that is the case then I don't think Gohan and Goten would be able to kill him off. And when is it stated in movie 8 that SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan? LSSJ doesn't need to be a huge boost. Cell could tank Vegeta's kicks and blasts without getting hurt and he is not 2x SSJ.

[xmysticgohanx]

The movie director said that Broly was the strongest Saiyan at the time. I said in movie 10 it looks like SSJ Gohan = SSJ Broly.

[Kamiccolo9]

A little update on my Broly power levels; I'll start with movie 10 first. The interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku. It can't be by a lot though because in movie 11 Goku was confident he would win with Paikuhan's help (Paikuhan is SSJ tier). For movie 8, since in movie 10 SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan it's clear the LSSJ is a bigger boost than SSJ2. In movie 8 a weaker Cell Games SSJ Vegeta's kick and blast didn't hurt SSJ Broly. Let's say LSSJ is a 150x boost or a 3x SSJ boost. I'm not sure but I think he's FP Cell level.

What interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku? If that is the case then I don't think Gohan and Goten would be able to kill him off. And when is it stated in movie 8 that SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan? LSSJ doesn't need to be a huge boost. Cell could tank Vegeta's kicks and blasts without getting hurt and he is not 2x SSJ.

To be fair, Gohan and Goten didn't kill Broly; the sun did. They just managed to overpower one of his attacks with Trunks' help.

[Hitiro]

The movie director said that Broly was the strongest Saiyan at the time. I said in movie 10 it looks like SSJ Gohan = SSJ Broly.

Well clearly he was, but that doesn't mean LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku.

To be fair, Gohan and Goten didn't kill Broly; the sun did. They just managed to overpower one of his attacks with Trunks' help.

Still a bit weird considering Broly was probably nearly double their strength. I know Trunks' interfered with Broly powering up his attack but that shouldn't have been the defining factor of the fight. Broly was still stronger than them so he could have reversed the flow of the battle. And did he get killed by the sun? It's been a while since I watched the movie. All I really remember vividly is Trunks pissing on Broly. XD

Seems a bit sloppy to use the whole "into the sun" thing twice, movie wise. And then they used it for Bebi. Toei love using the sun apparently.

[KentalSSJ6]

A little update on my Broly power levels; I'll start with movie 10 first. The interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku. It can't be by a lot though because in movie 11 Goku was confident he would win with Paikuhan's help (Paikuhan is SSJ tier). For movie 8, since in movie 10 SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan it's clear the LSSJ is a bigger boost than SSJ2. In movie 8 a weaker Cell Games SSJ Vegeta's kick and blast didn't hurt SSJ Broly. Let's say LSSJ is a 150x boost or a 3x SSJ boost. I'm not sure but I think he's FP Cell level.

What interview said LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Goku? If that is the case then I don't think Gohan and Goten would be able to kill him off. And when is it stated in movie 8 that SSJ Broly = SSJ Gohan? LSSJ doesn't need to be a huge boost. Cell could tank Vegeta's kicks and blasts without getting hurt and he is not 2x SSJ.

To be fair, Gohan and Goten didn't kill Broly; the sun did. They just managed to overpower one of his attacks with Trunks' help.

The Kamehameha still blew a hole through Broly's chest before his remains are disintegrated in the Sun.

[Kamiccolo9]

The Kamehameha still blew a hole through Broly's chest before his remains are disintegrated in the Sun.

Saiyans have survived holes in the chest before. Goku did against Piccolo, Vegeta survived Krillin blowing a hole through him, and Broly himself survived being stabbed as a baby.

Sure it was serious, but I doubt that that's what killed him. Especially with Toei's bizarre fascination with sun-based deaths (see movies 4, 5, and GT.)

[Hitiro]

Saiyans have survived holes in the chest before. Goku did against Piccolo, Vegeta survived Krillin blowing a hole through him, and Broly himself survived being stabbed as a baby.

Sure it was serious, but I doubt that that's what killed him. Especially with Toei's bizarre fascination with sun-based deaths (see movies 4, 5, and GT.)

Goku and Vegeta only survived from outside help, senzu's and Dende. Broly would not have lived long with a hole in his chest. And people have been known to survive from multiple stab wounds, comparing a stab wound to a massive hole in your chest are two completely different things.