Broli: A Character Discussion in Fandom Context

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Re: Broli: A Character Discussion in Fandom Context

Post by rereboy » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:46 pm

ImmaDeker wrote:Broly is arguably stupid because his story is more grandiose in presentation but not really any more or less meaningful than any other random Z villain. He's overindulgence to express the same basic idea as any other character.

It makes his "subtlety" annoying and stupid.
Broly, the character personality-wise =/= the movie itself and the story of the movie.

The movie is more about Goku than it is about Broly, really.

Even completely outclassed, faced with the LSSJ that has Vegeta shit his pants, Goku never gives up and he finds a way to beat him. Broly might be the LSSJ, but Goku draws power from sources that Broly never could and uses the strength of his allies, allies that he gained by being himself and by beating tremendous foes that later on join him, something that Broly could never hope to do.

In short, we see that even though Goku's power is inferior, he finds a way to surpass even the LSSJ, which is exactly what Broly always intuitively feared and bothered him to the point that he felt compelled to destroy Goku, and is perfectly translated by the metaphor of baby Goku with just a power level of 5 being able to affect baby Broly with a power level of 10.000 with his crying.

These parallels are intentional and further enhanced by the fact that they were born on the same day. Indeed, we can even wonder if Broly should really be considered to be the Legendary Super Saiyan since the legend says that the LSSJ appears once in a 1000 years and all Broly has is overwhelming power, while Goku achieves power and much more which allows him to even surpass and beat Broly.

You might not like the movie and that is your right, but the fact that there's enough going on in terms of subtlety and interpretation to see what I pointed out is a pretty good positive point towards the movie, which is exactly my point.

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Re: Broli: A Character Discussion in Fandom Context

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:54 pm

Low Tone G wrote:I don't like his design for some reason, even if he was invented by Toriyama himself. His personality it's nothing special at all, he is dumb. I would like him better if he was something special like he had some mutated traits and that's why he is so strong not because of the legend, it lacks logic. It was revealed by Toriyama that King Kold and Freeza were mutants, so it would make more sense if Broly has somehow encountered some mutation accidentally, Goku used to be the Legendary Super Saiyan before him. I like better the Saiyan God's Legend because it has some logic regarding how it can be reached. Broly did nothing for it.
It was pretty much given that Broly was an abnormal breed of Sayians and an outcome of some sort of ki-guaging disorder. He lacks the thing that lock a power level in the intervals that it would normally be set until it can grow through training the body. His just increases automatically against his body and that drove him insane.
rereboy wrote:Him reacting to Goku's crying and him recognizing Goku later is simply Broly recognizing a true saiyan rival who was born on the same day as he (on the same exact day that the legendary super saying is born) and that has the ability within him to affect him, even if he has less power. He instinctively knows him for a rival and he instinctively is driven to crush him, as his power will not admit any rivals that might affect him.

And, as we saw later, this instinct was well justified since, even though Goku on his own was weaker, he still managed to find a way to defeat Broly.

But in the other two movies Broly sucked because he was not interesting enough (fighting wise and personality wise) for me to welcome a comeback.
Well in this direction then yes, it does redeem a lot of the unexplained concepts. Birth rivals and him being nearly killed for being stronger than Goku would be more than enough to drive Vegeta crazy for over 10 years. Him just remembering Goku being the one fated to fight him would be why he is so stuck on needing to get revenge on the weakling that was spared over him. Perhaps that near death stabbing is the trauma that prematurely turned him into a super Saiyan before his mind could comprehend it, and was thus absorbed by it similar to how Gohan was with SSJ2 but on an extreme case.

As for his 2 other movie, yes they were completely uncessisary and did nothing to develop Broly at all let alone continue off anything. The only thing I liked about Second coming was just Broly's design returning him to his skin & hair's natural colouration rather than the weird blue hair/green hair thing. At least then it shown he was just like the other super sayians, just stronger.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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