Cell Solar Systen Statement

[Hitiro]

I don't see the problem with that. If a person has the resources to destroy a solar system why should they not be considered a solar system buster? Neither you or I would have the resources to do that, nor do most fictional characters in general. If the feat can be done, it is worth recognition.

The distinction of any type of buster is to gauge their power against other individuals in the comic and manga community. So the debate can of characters can easily be quantifiable. But if we put characters like Lex Luthor or The Leader in the section of solar system busters because they can eventually get to that level through a long period of time it makes no general point about other characters. The buster status is there to make a clear definition of strength. Nobody is going to go through the trouble of saying The Leader will beat Thor because The Leader is a "solar system buster" and Thor is a possible planet buster.

The buster definition is merely a thing within the community to judge a characters strength or ability closest to a single attack or move. Nobody is going to get that technical with the definition for it to encompass the broader things like being able to solar system bust "eventually."

[rereboy]

The term is used to describe one who can bust a solar system. "Bust" is a verb meaning "to break, smash, make inoperative, or bring an end to". Anything beyond that is opinion based. By your logic, since "canon" commonly refers to only the original manga than any other opinion would therefore be wrong. As I said, the term has no officially recognized definition. So it is your personal preference.

You are just ignoring that the purpose of the definition (its pretty much exclusive use in power debates) is entirely lost or defeated if we apply other definitions to the term, making it useless.

Bottom-line is, there's no real sense in applying other definitions to it, even though they are technically possible, because they would defeat the purpose of the use of the term entirely.

So, yeah, you can apply other definitions to it, its possible... But what for? What would be its use? How would that be useful in power debates?

Your argument is just based on technicality. That's not really useful.

If you want an example of this, check out the tiers list at VSbattles wiki: http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Tiering . You can technically criticize this list by saying what you have been saying... but then in one tier there would be characters massively different in terms of power, making the tier list and the use of this type of classification in power debates useless.

I don't see the problem with that. If a person has the resources to destroy a solar system why should they not be considered a solar system buster? Neither you or I would have the resources to do that, nor do most fictional characters in general. If the feat can be done, it is worth recognition.

Because, by following that definition, any planet buster is also a universe buster, since, with enough time, that character could go around the universe destroying one planet at a time, until it destroys the universe.

Essentially, you would be putting someone like Saiyan arc Vegeta on the same level/tier as a character that can destroy all the universe with one single attack. Meaning that the definition would then be useless for power debates. And since the definition is pretty much only used for power debates, its purpose would be entirely lost.

[Kroni_Hunter]

You are just ignoring that the purpose of the definition (its pretty much exclusive use in power debates) is entirely lost or defeated if we apply other definitions to the term, making it useless.

Bottom-line is, there's no real sense in applying other definitions to it, even though they are technically possible, because they would defeat the purpose of the use of the term entirely.

So, yeah, you can apply other definitions to it, its possible... But what for? What would be its use? How would that be useful in power debates?

Your argument is just based on technicality. That's not really useful.

If you want an example of this, check out the tiers list at VSbattles wiki: http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Character_Tiering . You can technically criticize this list by saying what you have been saying... but then in one tier there would be characters massively different in terms of power, making the tier list and the use of this type of classification in power debates useless.

Again you are saying this as though your opinion makes it fact. There is no singular "purpose" for the term, other than to describe what the term explicitly states. I disagree with you that the definition would no longer be useful. It still distinguishes between things which can and cannot destroy a solar system. I believe you are overestimating the amount of characters who could be shoehorned into this category. And regarding the link you sent me, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at. It says the following: "4-B: Solar System level: Characters who can create/destroy a solar system." This if anything supports my definition, as it is further elaborated upon and still retains the broad language. The page even says that characters who are capable of doing destruction on a wider level can still be lower in the tier list.

I don't see the problem with that. If a person has the resources to destroy a solar system why should they not be considered a solar system buster? Neither you or I would have the resources to do that, nor do most fictional characters in general. If the feat can be done, it is worth recognition.

Because, by following that definition, any planet buster is also a universe buster, since, with enough time, that character could go around the universe destroying one planet at a time, until it destroys the universe.

Essentially, you would be putting someone like Saiyan arc Vegeta on the same level/tier as a character that can destroy all the universe with one single attack. Meaning that the definition would then be useless for power debates. And since the definition is pretty much only used for power debates, its purpose would be entirely lost.

No, not every planet buster would be a solar system buster. To illustrate this, consider the scenario that Earth develops a nuke that can cause the entire planet to disintegrate. The operator of that nuke would be a planet buster, but within this fact pattern there is no feasible way for that operator to destroy anything beyond that. You are equating what a character could hypothetically do with what the character has been shown to be able to do. Your earlier example of a character taking thousands of years to destroy a planet does not work. To do that a character would (a) have to live for thousands of years, (b) have enough destructive force to outpace efforts to rebuild, and (c) succeed despite worldwide opposition. That is far from this idea you have that everyone and their grandmother can now be called solar system busters.

There have always been different grades of tiers. There is an extreme difference in power between a low level reality warper such as The Mask and a high level one such as Dr. Manhattan. The point of these terms in power debates is to scale a characters destructive potential, given all the variables and limitations in play. And that's exactly what my definition does.

[rereboy]

I've already fully explained my point of view. If you want to believe that the term wouldn't lose its purpose, its your prerogative. To me, what you are saying simply doesn't make sense and I don't even see the point of arguing it.

[GokuRules987]

Ofcourse have you not played Ultimate Budoten? Which akira toriyama was involved in. It basically shows what would happen if Gohan lost against cell when they were exchanging a kamehameha against each other. Cell would have destroyed the entire solar system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MlSurcqR4

[xJeffx]

Ofcourse have you not played Ultimate Budoten? Which akira toriyama was involved in. It basically shows what would happen if Gohan lost against cell when they were exchanging a kamehameha against each other. Cell would have destroyed the entire solar system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MlSurcqR4

Watching that video makes me wonder if Cell is capable of surviving that blast.

[Dayspring]

I still maintain that if Saiyan-saga Vegeta can blow up Earth, then Cell's claim to take out the entire solar system is very believable.

[goku the krump dancer]

I still maintain that if Saiyan-saga Vegeta can blow up Earth, then Cell's claim to take out the entire solar system is very believable.

Thats my stand point as well. Thats also how I pretty much gauge everyone else's destructive power.

[KentalSSJ6]

I still maintain that if Saiyan-saga Vegeta can blow up Earth, then Cell's claim to take out the entire solar system is very believable.

Roshi and Piccolo both blew the moon with a PL of around 300. The earth is 3.68X bigger than the moon.

300 X 3.68 = 1104

Vegeta had a PL of 18000 when he arrived on Namek

18000 divided by 1104 = roughly 16

So yeah, numbers would suggest Vegeta could destroy Earth 16 times over.

[Rocketman]

Roshi and Piccolo both blew the moon with a PL of around 300. The earth is 3.68X bigger than the moon.

Earth is a hundred times more massive than the Moon.

The first being to be a hundred times stronger than Roshi is Saiyan Arc Vegeta.

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo's feat was overkill for just the moon. I've seen it calculated to Earth-busting level based on the explosion. He was 408 when he did it, but that doesn't mean much, since this is a system where a completely normal human is 5 and a Captain America level being is 10.

[VegettoEX]

Ofcourse have you not played Ultimate Budoten? Which akira toriyama was involved in.

No, he was not. I don't know where you got this idea from, but Akira Toriyama had nothing to do with a random Nintendo DS fighting game from 2011.

A great random Nintendo DS fighting game from 2011, but still.

[Tsufuru]

I still maintain that if Saiyan-saga Vegeta can blow up Earth, then Cell's claim to take out the entire solar system is very believable.

Roshi and Piccolo both blew the moon with a PL of around 300. The earth is 3.68X bigger than the moon.

300 X 3.68 = 1104

Vegeta had a PL of 18000 when he arrived on Namek

18000 divided by 1104 = roughly 16

So yeah, numbers would suggest Vegeta could destroy Earth 16 times over.

is king piccolos PL official?

if yes , how do you explain that king piccolo with a PL of 200 is city level and piccolo with a PL of 400-500 and is moon level.
and from this point how do we compare PL's with each other?

[KentalSSJ6]

I am not referring to Piccolo Daimao, I'm referring to the Piccolo that trained Gohan.I thought he was around 300 but Random clarified he was 408. Roshi showed it's capable of destroying the moon at roughly 300 so Piccolo Jr. is very capable of doing the same.

[Tsufuru]

I am not referring to Piccolo Daimao, I'm referring to the Piccolo that trained Gohan.I thought he was around 300 but Random clarified he was 408. Roshi showed it's capable of destroying the moon at roughly 300 so Piccolo Jr. is very capable of doing the same.

i know I'm not denying that he can.
actualy the daizenshuu states 23rd budokai goku's super KHH could destroy the moon iirc.

I'm just saying power level wise piccolo was like double as strong but his actual power was a lot more.

[GokuRules987]

Ofcourse have you not played Ultimate Budoten? Which akira toriyama was involved in.

No, he was not. I don't know where you got this idea from, but Akira Toriyama had nothing to do with a random Nintendo DS fighting game from 2011.

A great random Nintendo DS fighting game from 2011, but still.

A guy from comicvine told me about it when we were discussing cell feats.
I think maybe because this game was strictly only released in Japan and was the first dragon ball game that had King Kai as the playable character made me think that Toriyama could have been possibly involved in it. Another thing was the title of it which was named as Dragon ball Kai instead of Z which is suppost to go by canon version of dragon ball anime.

[BrolyLSSJ]

So no its just like I stated hype?

[shonenhikada]

Naruto forum members up in here.

[rereboy]

So no its just like I stated hype?

As it stands in the manga, it's never contradicted, everyone reacts like he could do it and it feels consistent from a power scaling point of view, so it's not just hype.

[Lord Beerus]

Naruto forum members up in here.

What does that have to do with anything related to this topic?