So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:44 pm

You knew it was going downhill after watching a promotional trailer funded by Bandai that more than likely was made in two-to-seven days using few drawing because, again, Bandai didn't provide enough money?
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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:49 pm

JulieYBM wrote:You knew it was going downhill after watching a promotional trailer funded by Bandai that more than likely was made in two-to-seven days using few drawing because, again, Bandai didn't provide enough money?
I'm no expert but its not that much different from modern DBZ related quality anyway. It was just when it became undeniably obvious.
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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by One_Instance » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:49 pm

I know this doesn't hold a whole lot of substance as far as this topic goes, but I've got to say, you'd think that something as universally loved as Dragon Ball is in Japan would be treated with a lot more respect. Not that this is completely outrageous or anything, but I don't see why they'd be afraid to pour a ton of money into it, though, I'm not really keen on Toei's financial situation right now.

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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:00 pm

One_Instance wrote:I know this doesn't hold a whole lot of substance as far as this topic goes, but I've got to say, you'd think that something as universally loved as Dragon Ball is in Japan would be treated with a lot more respect. Not that this is completely outrageous or anything, but I don't see why they'd be afraid to pour a ton of money into it, though, I'm not really keen on Toei's financial situation right now.
The budget isn't the problem. Fukkatsu no F had a big enough budget. The problem is the assigned talent. An inexperienced and unflavored director was assigned and few of the cuts were assigned to talented key animators, like as a combination of a lack of availability and a general lack of time.

Choosing to use expensive CG for scenes is also a poor use of money. The film definitely had enough money. A bad director and key animator won't improve just because they're using a high number of drawings.
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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by One_Instance » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:09 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
One_Instance wrote:I know this doesn't hold a whole lot of substance as far as this topic goes, but I've got to say, you'd think that something as universally loved as Dragon Ball is in Japan would be treated with a lot more respect. Not that this is completely outrageous or anything, but I don't see why they'd be afraid to pour a ton of money into it, though, I'm not really keen on Toei's financial situation right now.
The budget isn't the problem. Fukkatsu no F had a big enough budget. The problem is the assigned talent. An inexperienced and unflavored director was assigned and few of the cuts were assigned to talented key animators, like as a combination of a lack of availability and a general lack of time.

Choosing to use expensive CG for scenes is also a poor use of money. The film definitely had enough money. A bad director and key animator won't improve just because they're using a high number of drawings.
Yeah I can agree with all of that, I really just haven't had the time to become familiar with the staff other than the voice actors and Toriyama yet.

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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by radrappy » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:20 pm

One_Instance wrote:I know this doesn't hold a whole lot of substance as far as this topic goes, but I've got to say, you'd think that something as universally loved as Dragon Ball is in Japan would be treated with a lot more respect. Not that this is completely outrageous or anything, but I don't see why they'd be afraid to pour a ton of money into it, though, I'm not really keen on Toei's financial situation right now.
Consider that just because a property is famous and has longevity, doesn't mean talented people want to work on it. Some of the longest running/ most famous American animated franchises (the simpsons/family guy) are some of the least desirable to work on. Dragonball isn't exactly lighting a creative fire underneath the youth of Japan in 2015.

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Re: So, Quality control at Toei is not a thing?

Post by OutlawTorn » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:40 pm

In my opinion, I think Toei preferring to port the FUNimation DBZ season sets to foreign markets as opposed to allowing them to do their own remasters because the work "was already done" should send up a red flag about their commitment to quality control. It just goes to show creative integrity goes out the window when the prospect of making the most money with the least amount of work presents itself.

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