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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:31 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I'm not talking about Trunks' rambling where he sounds half confused, I'm talking about the mission descriptions in the Time Vault. It specifically says you travel to the timeline where the Ultimate Dragon Balls were used to turn Goku into a kid, and the only time "timelines" are mentioned are on the start of the missions for where you travel to Trunks' timeline and the GT timeline.
But Trunks says that he created the alternative timeline where GT takes place, and the one he created should be the main timeline where the manga/anime takes place. There is also Cell's timeline & the unseen 4th timeline, but no other timelines were created from what we know. Why would Trunks' time-travels create the GT timeline? I doubt they want to imply that GT is an alternative timeline, especially when BoG characters interact with GT characters.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Marlowe89 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:31 pm

I thought that was just Trunks explaining that he wasn't the "same" Trunks as the one who never had to deal with the androids. That still doesn't explain why the Time Vault description insinuates that the events of GT belong to their own timeline, and it doesn't explain why Goku from GT doesn't seem to recognize the player character after their first meeting either.

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Saiyan007 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:42 pm

Seeing as Beerus can casually destroy stars outside of his own nebula (which can range from 2 - hundreds of light years long) in under 3 mins and Goku can react to said blasts I don't see how anyone in Gt can tag Freeza at all

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:46 pm

You underestimate how inflated powers are in GT. ^

Anywho, Base Shadow Dragon saga Goku pimp smacks the Gold off of Freeza. in my opinion.

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Saiyan007 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:49 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:You underestimate how inflated powers are in GT. ^

Anywho, Base Shadow Dragon saga Goku pimp smacks the Gold off of Freeza. in my opinion.
Yeah but feats>>>>>>>

I just can't see how Freeza gets hit at all

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:47 pm

Saiyan007 wrote:Seeing as Beerus can casually destroy stars outside of his own nebula (which can range from 2 - hundreds of light years long) in under 3 mins and Goku can react to said blasts I don't see how anyone in Gt can tag Freeza at all
But wait, Whis said that when the stars were destroyed the area around the temple was dark, which means that they had to be less than 3 light-minutes away or else their light would still be shining when he reversed time.

Then again, Toriyama has never been much of the science expert.
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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Saiyan007 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:58 pm

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Saiyan007 wrote:Seeing as Beerus can casually destroy stars outside of his own nebula (which can range from 2 - hundreds of light years long) in under 3 mins and Goku can react to said blasts I don't see how anyone in Gt can tag Freeza at all
But wait, Whis said that when the stars were destroyed the area around the temple was dark, which means that they had to be less than 3 light-minutes away or else their light would still be shining when he reversed time.

Then again, Toriyama has never been much of the science expert.
Ehh seeing as these are the only stars we see near the temple and Beerus did it in 3 mins or less I'm no science expert but I think Beerus casual ki attacks are pretty fast.

Then Goku was dodging those blasts by a 70% Beerus no problem :D

I'm pretty sure these guys are hilariously faster than the speed of light

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:51 am

Well there's clearly some kind of light source in the middle of that blob or whatever it is.
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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Demon187 » Sat May 02, 2015 1:50 am

I think Golden Frieza beats everyone in GT except Baby, Super 17, SS4 Gogeta, and Omega Shenron. Baby can take over before the fight even starts, 17 absorbs most of Freeza's' own power to beat him, Omega Shenron gives him a good fight until Freeza's energy runs out and kills him, and obv Gogeta rips him a new asshole in two seconds.

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat May 02, 2015 3:01 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I doubt they want to imply that GT is an alternative timeline, especially when BoG characters interact with GT characters.
Video game interactions in vs. intros don't always mean anything really. In the past games, Bardock and Vegeta interact with Tullece when it's unlikely that Vegeta and Bardock knows Tullece.
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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat May 02, 2015 2:05 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Video game interactions in vs. intros don't always mean anything really.
Not really. It's like having Future Gohan interact with Videl as if he knows her from Boo arc.
In the past games, Bardock and Vegeta interact with Tullece when it's unlikely that Vegeta and Bardock knows Tullece.
Why? They come from the same planet.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Marlowe89 » Sat May 02, 2015 2:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Not really.
No, really. If you play the game, there's a ton of versus mode interactions that wouldn't make sense from a continuity perspective (and I'm not just referring to GT). They're primarily just meant to be what-if scenarios.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat May 02, 2015 2:34 pm

Personally, I don't put any one from BoG/FnF anywhere near Super #17.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat May 02, 2015 3:21 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Personally, I don't put any one from BoG/FnF anywhere near Super #17.
Wasn't Super 17 stated to only be twice as strong as the original 17? The only reason he was dangerous was his ki absorbing ability.
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sat May 02, 2015 3:53 pm

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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Personally, I don't put any one from BoG/FnF anywhere near Super #17.
Wasn't Super 17 stated to only be twice as strong as the original 17? The only reason he was dangerous was his ki absorbing ability.
Dub line, and hyperbole.

Hell Fighter #17 was 'evenly matched' with Base Vegeta, initial Super #17 was stomping SS/2 Vegeta.

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Re: How does Golden Freeza fare off against fighters in GT

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat May 02, 2015 7:37 pm

Marlowe89 wrote:No, really. If you play the game, there's a ton of versus mode interactions that wouldn't make sense from a continuity perspective (and I'm not just referring to GT). They're primarily just meant to be what-if scenarios.
GT Goku recognizes Beerus, meaning that he knows him in his timeline. They are what-if scenarios, but they are based on what each character knows or doesn't know about each character. For example, the interaction between SS4 Gogeta & Beerus should have been like [Beerus: "Goku? You seem different..." Gogeta: "Who is that weird cat?"], not "Maybe I can finally win against Lord Beerus!".
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Marlowe89 » Sat May 02, 2015 9:00 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:GT Goku recognizes Beerus, meaning that he knows him in his timeline. They are what-if scenarios, but they are based on what each character knows or doesn't know about each character. For example, the interaction between SS4 Gogeta & Beerus should have been like [Beerus: "Goku? You seem different..." Gogeta: "Who is that weird cat?"], not "Maybe I can finally win against Lord Beerus!".
And Cell recognizes Buu, not to mention the fact that Freeza doesn't seem remotely afraid of Beerus. It's clear from a few of these interactions that character knowledge or strict continuity wasn't considered that much when the battle quotes were conceived. They're just fantasy match-ups that are sometimes imagined as if two characters know each other despite never having met in the storyline or the same timeline.

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Marlowe89 wrote:And Cell recognizes Buu, not to mention the fact that Freeza doesn't seem remotely afraid of Beerus.
What do they say in these interactions?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Marlowe89 wrote:And Cell recognizes Buu, not to mention the fact that Freeza doesn't seem remotely afraid of Beerus.
What do they say in these interactions?
Cell mentions "this Buu character" despite having no way of knowing Buu's name. Conversely, Omega Shenron can instantly recognize Freeza even though he has zero knowledge on what Freeza would look like.

As for Freeza and Beerus, both characters recognize each other (as they should) but then Freeza nonchalantly threatens to destroy Beerus, which is completely contrary to his portrayal in RoF.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun May 03, 2015 4:33 pm

Marlowe89 wrote:Cell mentions "this Buu character" despite having no way of knowing Buu's name. Conversely, Omega Shenron can instantly recognize Freeza even though he has zero knowledge on what Freeza would look like.

As for Freeza and Beerus, both characters recognize each other (as they should) but then Freeza nonchalantly threatens to destroy Beerus, which is completely contrary to his portrayal in RoF.
These are different. The way they speak, the speak as if this is the first time they met, not as if they know each other from the past. Yi Xing Long knows who Freeza is because he knows who he is going to fight (because this is a game), but he doesn't say anything like "You'll pay for beating me last time!".
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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