Younger generation as main heroes in Super - for real

[ABED]

It baffles me that folks don't realize how much character potential Uub has. I cannot think of anyone in a better position to reflect all of Goku's adulthood issues right back in face than the kid who will be the object of a lot of his time and lacks this "Oh Goku" filter by not having already known him for decades. Presuming Uub stays the warrior's course, there is an interesting symbiotic relationship waiting to happen there. This is not to say Uub is lead character material, but the way in which he is attached to Goku puts him a position to say and do things.

I'm not clear what you're talking about. Could you give some concrete examples of how this could play out?

[soulnova]

It baffles me that folks don't realize how much character potential Uub has. I cannot think of anyone in a better position to reflect all of Goku's adulthood issues right back in face than the kid who will be the object of a lot of his time and lacks this "Oh Goku" filter by not having already known him for decades. Presuming Uub stays the warrior's course, there is an interesting symbiotic relationship waiting to happen there. This is not to say Uub is lead character material, but the way in which he is attached to Goku puts him a position to say and do things.

I'm not clear what you're talking about. Could you give some concrete examples of how this could play out?

IMO, I think that the most important thing related with Uub is that he has the potential of taking up the mantle of actual Protector of Earth.

What I mean with this is that Gohan, Trunks and Goten have left the fighting as relevant parts of their lives. Sure, they might have been stronger than Piccoro but we know that by EoZ none of them take their training seriously. Goku and Vegeta are not getting stronger for the sake of the Earth but for themselves. Besides Ten Shin Han, who is an isolationist and not strong enough to make a difference, there is no other fighter 100% focused on defending Earth from possible threats.

I don't think Uub would see any problem with Goku and Vegeta's behavior at first until he has grown and matured a little more and then he feels compelled to call them out... while being strong enough to stand on his own.

Sure, he could enjoy a good fight, but I really doubt Uub would jeopardize anyone's safety for that.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

It baffles me that folks don't realize how much character potential Uub has. I cannot think of anyone in a better position to reflect all of Goku's adulthood issues right back in face than the kid who will be the object of a lot of his time and lacks this "Oh Goku" filter by not having already known him for decades. Presuming Uub stays the warrior's course, there is an interesting symbiotic relationship waiting to happen there. This is not to say Uub is lead character material, but the way in which he is attached to Goku puts him a position to say and do things.

I'm not clear what you're talking about. Could you give some concrete examples of how this could play out?

I don't think Uub would see any problem with Goku and Vegeta's behavior at first until he has grown and matured a little more and then he feels compelled to call them out... while being strong enough to stand on his own.

I don't know, though; I just had something in mind akin to Gohan's "but you're not evil, Mr. Piccolo" line (is that a dub line? I can't remember, heck of a good one if so), something that plants a seed of skepticism in the master's mind that ultimately leads to a change. Or in Goku's case, just someone who asks him "Well, why do you go about it like that?". It does not have to be on the first day of formal training or anything like that, I just think that he and Uub's relationship would go differently than any other adult Goku has had, since they are neither his sons nor people who have simply learned to deal with him after decades of experience. Nor do I think that is actually going to happen, really, only that it is much more likely now that we live in a world where Toriyama is unafraid to repeatedly point out Goku's negative tendencies, even if he wins the day anyway.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't know why. But Oob should look up to Gohan. Pretty sure they will have more in common and natural chemistry than Goku and Oob. If Gohan teaches his brain smarts then Oob could be what Gohan should have been Imo.

[soulnova]

only that it is much more likely now that we live in a world where Toriyama is unafraid to repeatedly point out Goku's negative tendencies, even if he wins the day anyway.

Yes. This is specially true now. We have seen Toriyama going back to his statement about the unseen "poison" on Goku's personality. He's trying hard to make people veer off from the "righteous" image many have of him.

I don't know why. But Oob should look up to Gohan. Pretty sure they will have more in common and natural chemistry than Goku and Oob. If Gohan teaches his brain smarts then Oob could be what Gohan should have been Imo.

Could be, but not right now. While he is a kid, Uub would definitely look up to Goku more. He will certainly accept Gohan's advice and experience as son of Goku.

[FoolsGil]

The only way the younger gen is going to escape Goku's Shadow is going into space. Step into the Grand Tour and all that.

[Rocketman]

The only way the younger gen is going to escape Goku's Shadow is going into space. Step into the Grand Tour and all that.

Goku sucks the life out of everyone on Earth with the Super God Ritual 2 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ritual God Saiyan Super 2. Pan, Uub and a couple of other youngsters barely escape and now are on a desperate flight across the universe, barely keeping ahead of the all-consuming Godku as they hunt for the McGuffins to stop him.

[soulnova]

The only way the younger gen is going to escape Goku's Shadow is going into space. Step into the Grand Tour and all that.

Goku sucks the life out of everyone on Earth with the Super God Ritual 2 Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ritual God Saiyan Super 2. Pan, Uub and a couple of other youngsters barely escape and now are on a desperate flight across the universe, barely keeping ahead of the all-consuming Godku as they hunt for the McGuffins to stop him.

I would love a "Rescue Goku arc". I liked that part of the Android Saga when he was out of commission, it gave everyone else a chance to shine. Let Vegeta try to fend off alone the main baddie (maybe failing at that) while the rest of the cast run around like headless chickens trying to either support Vegeta in battle or try to rescue Goku. Add Jaco for maximum lols.

[Basaku]

Let Vegeta try to fend off alone the main baddie (maybe failing at that) while the rest of the cast run around like headless chickens trying to either support Vegeta in battle or try to rescue Goku.

That would basically be repeating DBZ/new movies mistakes with endeless "save us Goku, we fail at everything without you"

[soulnova]

Let Vegeta try to fend off alone the main baddie (maybe failing at that) while the rest of the cast run around like headless chickens trying to either support Vegeta in battle or try to rescue Goku.

That would basically be repeating DBZ/new movies mistakes with endeless "save us Goku, we fail at everything without you"

Sadly, there's no way around that. He IS the strongest member of the cast (sans Whis and Beerus). Vegeta and Goku are way too powerful than the rest.
when Goku wasn't available for most of the early half of DBZ (being dead, training, in his way or recovering), it allowed everyone else to have share the spotlight.

[Rocketman]

He IS the strongest member of the cast

Delete bog/faff so he isn't.

[soulnova]

He IS the strongest member of the cast

Delete bog/faff so he isn't.

It wont change the fact that Gohan has other priorities and would neglect his training, loosing his power up again, and that would still make Goku and Vegeta the strongest (sans Buu).

I really don't think they can backpedal on the movies right now ... specially because they just included Pan with BoG/FoF. Everything will have to move forward. They could still somehow get their godly power stolen or loose them on another way.

[Rocketman]

It wont change the fact that Gohan has other priorities and would neglect his training, loosing his power up again

He didn't lose it in the manga.

[soulnova]

It wont change the fact that Gohan has other priorities and would neglect his training, loosing his power up again

He didn't lose it in the manga.

Still 2 of 3.

In any case we will see what happens in a month. Who knows, perhaps after Freeza almost killing him it motivates him to train just enough to recover the power up. But if you look back not even Goku or Vegeta asked him to participate on the 28°tournament at EoZ. Gohan has simply slip away from a fighting lifestyle... he has become a mature, respectable and contributing member of human society.

[Rocketman]

But if you look back not even Goku or Vegeta asked him to participate on the 28°tournament at EoZ.

Because they'd get fuckin' wrekt.

[Zephyr]

But if you look back not even Goku or Vegeta asked him to participate on the 28°tournament at EoZ.

Because they'd get fuckin' wrekt.

Wouldn't they revel in the challenge?

[Saiga]

But if you look back not even Goku or Vegeta asked him to participate on the 28°tournament at EoZ.

Because they'd get fuckin' wrekt.

Wouldn't they revel in the challenge?

It wouldn't be a challenge. They'd just lose.

[RandomGuy96]

But if you look back not even Goku or Vegeta asked him to participate on the 28°tournament at EoZ.

Because they'd get fuckin' wrekt.

Wouldn't they revel in the challenge?

I made an offer to GSP to fight a gorilla for money, and he refused. Why? Wouldn't he revel in the challenge?

[soulnova]

Well, in any case, can we focus on the younger generation instead of whether Gohan will recover his power up or not? The thread is starting to go off topic.

[Zephyr]

It wouldn't be a challenge. They'd just lose.

So you've seen the fight play out? Neat.

I made an offer to GSP to fight a gorilla for money, and he refused. Why? Wouldn't he revel in the challenge?

He's not a full blooded Saiyan.