Would you have preferred Adult Goku in GT?

[ABED]

Leveling him up the way they did and putting him in the same role as every other fodder character was a bad move. A very, very bad move.

But he was already leveled up, he was Buu reincarnated.

You won't get an argument that Gohan has more going on, but you still know the kind of person Uub is. Sure it's

Max and Furiosa were both bland. The only developed character in the movie, who is still a stock character, was Nux. That's also the problem with Uub, he's a stock bland character. It's not that he doesn't have a personality, he just doesn't have a flashy and distinct one.

[Avery]

Why did they even reduce him into a kid? It made him even more shallow.

[Rocketman]

Goku becoming a kid again is only interesting if it means he drops waay down in power, forcing everybody else to step up. As-is, the only thing it does is cut out Instant Transmission to make the DB hunt a very slightly more challenging time-waster.

[fadeddreams5]

Leveling him up the way they did and putting him in the same role as every other fodder character was a bad move. A very, very bad move.

But he was already leveled up, he was Buu reincarnated.

You won't get an argument that Gohan has more going on, but you still know the kind of person Uub is. Sure it's

Max and Furiosa were both bland. The only developed character in the movie, who is still a stock character, was Nux. That's also the problem with Uub, he's a stock bland character. It's not that he doesn't have a personality, he just doesn't have a flashy and distinct one.

His skills in EoZ aren't refined, and you can make the argument that he has the potential to reach Kid Buu's power and above, but is a long road away from that during the time he's introduced, triggering his latent strength only when enraged, similarly to Kid Gohan. Aside from being Buu's reincarnation, we honestly don't know anything about him, his powers, his background as a fighter, etc.

All I remember was thinking Furiosa was cool. But maybe I'm biased cause she's a strong woman with apparent flaws. Felt human, but powerful. Max was just...quiet. It's a very different sort of story than DB; reminded me more of Fist of the North Star in its character portrayals (I think that anime was actually inspired by Mad Max, if I'm not mistaken).

Why did they even reduce him into a kid? It made him even more shallow.

The audience that grew watching DB were aging, and I assume GT wanted to target the new generation at the time. Hence, Kid Goku. Also, add Pan in there for the girls.

[Rocketman]

If you didn't like Fury Road, you are an objectively horrible person and you should at least be whipped.

[fadeddreams5]

I thought the movie was fucking weird. In a good way. I liked it a lot.

[ABED]

His skills in EoZ aren't refined, and you can make the argument that he has the potential to reach Kid Buu's power and above, but is a long road away from that during the time he's introduced, triggering his latent strength only when enraged, similarly to Kid Gohan. Aside from being Buu's reincarnation, we honestly don't know anything about him, his powers, his background as a fighter, etc.

Sure, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Uub would become refined and more powerful in the 10 years between Z and GT.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

How is GT Uub a "god awful" character? He may not be developed as much as he could've, but it's not like Toei completely ruined his personality or anything.. His design isn't that bad either, in my opinion. I don't care much for Super Uub though.

Can you name a more bland character from DB/DBZ?

Toei didn't ruin his personality; they gave him none.

Uub didn't have a personality in GT at all, he was just the naive stalling-for-Goku character Piccolo became in the Buu saga.

[SSJ Human]

How is GT Uub a "god awful" character? He may not be developed as much as he could've, but it's not like Toei completely ruined his personality or anything.. His design isn't that bad either, in my opinion. I don't care much for Super Uub though.

Can you name a more bland character from DB/DBZ?

Toei didn't ruin his personality; they gave him none.

Uub didn't have a personality in GT at all, he was just the naive stalling-for-Goku character Piccolo became in the Buu saga.

I honestly don't know why people keep trying to get Uub in anything. Yes he was the designated successor at the end of the manga, but I have no fondness towards him whatsoever. He seemed like a nice guy in GT in the thirteen episodes he was in, but people keep wanting him from the EOZ and I don't get it.

I could understand Pan but not him. We got to see a little bit more of her in EOZ and in GT so I understand the fondness for her.

[fadeddreams5]

His skills in EoZ aren't refined, and you can make the argument that he has the potential to reach Kid Buu's power and above, but is a long road away from that during the time he's introduced, triggering his latent strength only when enraged, similarly to Kid Gohan. Aside from being Buu's reincarnation, we honestly don't know anything about him, his powers, his background as a fighter, etc.

Sure, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Uub would become refined and more powerful in the 10 years between Z and GT.

That 10 year gap in itself was stupid, imo.

I honestly don't know why people keep trying to get Uub in anything. Yes he was the designated successor at the end of the manga, but I have no fondness towards him whatsoever. He seemed like a nice guy in GT in the thirteen episodes he was in, but people keep wanting him from the EOZ and I don't get it.

I could understand Pan but not him. We got to see a little bit more of her in EOZ and in GT so I understand the fondness for her.

As I mentioned, he's a blank slate. I visualize an awesome character. Most people really trust Toriyama with him. I also trust he'd create something way better than that GT thing.

[ABED]

That 10 year gap in itself was stupid, imo.

Seriously? Now that is a point of contention?

[fadeddreams5]

That 10 year gap in itself was stupid, imo.

Seriously? Now that is a point of contention?

Well it is. The characters were old enough as it was by EoZ.

It would have been nice to see the initial interactions between Uub and Goku, as well as more of EoZ Pan. That jump was a dumb move, imo.

[ABED]

Well it is. The characters were old enough as it was by EoZ.

It would have been nice to see the initial interactions between Uub and Goku, as well as more of EoZ Pan. That jump was a dumb move, imo.

Just because they were old enough doesn't make it dumb. What did they hurt by skipping over a couple years other than some more interactions with Uub? Is it really so important to see that early relationship that you consider an innocuous 10 year jump DUMB?

[fadeddreams5]

Well it is. The characters were old enough as it was by EoZ.

It would have been nice to see the initial interactions between Uub and Goku, as well as more of EoZ Pan. That jump was a dumb move, imo.

Just because they were old enough doesn't make it dumb. What did they hurt by skipping over a couple years other than some more interactions with Uub? Is it really so important to see that early relationship that you consider an innocuous 10 year jump DUMB?

That initial interaction with Uub and his growth as a fighter were important to flesh out the character. Skipping forward the way they did resulted in so many missed opportunities. Not just with him, but EoZ Pan too.

It's as if 4 year old Gohan was introduced at the end of DB, but the beginning of DBZ started 10 years later with him already grown up and fighting alongside Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. Also, add no character-specific arcs to add insult to injury. We just have to assume he's already met everyone, and is a strong fighter cause he's Goku's son. That is beyond dumb.

And yeah, I don't like the character designs and old appearances of the humans. Really, I could go on and on about GT.

[ABED]

That initial interaction with Uub and his growth as a fighter were important to flesh out the character. Skipping forward the way they did resulted in so many missed opportunities. Not just with him, but EoZ Pan too.

You don't need to stay with them at the end of Z in order to see them grow a lot. Considering Pan's age, there's a LOT of room for growth.

It's as if 4 year old Gohan was introduced at the end of DB, but the beginning of DBZ started 10 years later with him already grown up and fighting alongside Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin, etc. Also, add no character-specific arcs to add insult to injury. We just have to assume he's already met everyone, and is a strong fighter cause he's Goku's son. That is beyond dumb.

Not remotely like that. The point was that Uub trained with Goku during peace time. It was uneventful. It's not like it was ever implied that they did anything more than train. It's more like cutting from Goku's victory over Piccolo to 5 years later and we the audience meet Gohan. We don't need to see Gohan when he's born or see Chichi not allow Gohan to train. There's little excitement in that, so you cut to several years later AND then show the growth of the character.

There's nothing that implies Uub had already met Goku's friends at the beginning of GT.

[fadeddreams5]

Not remotely like that. The point was that Uub trained with Goku during peace time. It was uneventful. It's not like it was ever implied that they did anything more than train.

It was uneventful because the writers decided that time period was uneventful. If they decided otherwise, we'd have a lot of material to work with. Same goes with the 7 year period after the Cell Games, but that's another story.

It's more like cutting from Goku's victory over Piccolo to 5 years later and we the audience meet Gohan. We don't need to see Gohan when he's born or see Chichi not allow Gohan to train. There's little excitement in that, so you cut to several years later AND then show the growth of the character.

It's different because the time period you're describing wouldn't provide anything relevant concerning Gohan, only Goku and Chi Chi; he'd be too young for them to have anything to work with. At 4-5 years old, Gohan actually has a certain level of reasoning (he seems to have an above average IQ), continues growing from then on, and we as viewers witness that development. A lot of the story is focused on him.

We missed 10 years of Uub's life. If they decided he only trained during those 10 years, it makes that large time gap even more stupid. When we meet him, he's already reached a peak in physical strength, but we never know his struggles to attain anything. We never met him at all, even though the series takes place after Z. We just have to accept what we have in front of us.

There's nothing that implies Uub had already met Goku's friends at the beginning of GT.

So in 10 years, he never met anyone, at all? He was just alone with Goku all the time? You may be right, but that's even more silly.

[ABED]

So in 10 years, he never met anyone, at all? He was just alone with Goku all the time? You may be right, but that's even more silly.

He met people, just not Goku's friends. It's implied that Goku rarely if ever saw his family during that time. I'm not overly fond of Goku not being with his family in 10 years, but I don't find it out of the realm of possibility that he never took Uub to meet his friends

We missed 10 years of Uub's life. If they decided he only trained during those 10 years, it makes that large time gap even more stupid. When we meet him, he's already reached a peak in physical strength, but we never know his struggles to attain anything. We never met him at all, even though the series takes place after Z. We just have to accept what we have in front of us.

His struggles were his training. It's not like Goku or his friends where their biggest leaps were during times of crises. Uub had a ton of natural ability because he was a reincarnation of Buu. What we meet in front of us is just a very strong character . You keep saying "that's even more stupid" and that's not the case at all. How is that more stupid that the gap is large and it consisted of training. All I keep reading is "GT is dumb" and some desperate attempts to justify bashing every little thing including a harmless time skip. It's a 10 year gap where little happened beyond simple training.

It's different because the time period you're describing wouldn't provide anything relevant concerning Gohan

It's only different in your mind, but not in essence. Uub simply trained for a while. It's the same because there's little of relevance that happens during that time that couldn't either be discussed or shown in flashback for an episode. It was an era of extended peace, no different than the 7 year gap between Buu and Cell. Nothing that relevant happens during the GT gap other than a strong character gets stronger - riveting!

It's not as though placing a story earlier would've meant more story, it would just be a different story.

[Puto]

It was a 5 year skip between the end of Z and the start of GT, not 10.

[ABED]

It was a 5 year skip between the end of Z and the start of GT, not 10.

I'm sure it was 10. Pan was 3 at the end of Z and a teen when we meet her in GT.

[TheGmGoken]

It was a 5 year skip between the end of Z and the start of GT, not 10.

I'm sure it was 10. Pan was 3 at the end of Z and a teen when we meet her in GT.

English dub onlyonly and she's 4 at EOZ. Making her 9-10 GT.