Do you think the end of Z will be re-written/retconned?

[Doctor.]

Both Oob & Gohan weren't born with normal power. They were born with huge power, but that power could only brought forth through their anger. They didn't train to create this power.

Gohan reached, and surpassed, those limits when he became Ultimate Gohan.

No, they were both with normal power and huge potential that was brought forth whenever they got angry. Their base power was always the same as normal humans. Not like Freeza. Freeza was born with extraordinary power AND huge potential. Oob and Gohan were just born with huge potential that could be brought out.

[Birusu16]

But you see that's the point. EoZ in its current context doesn't work as Goku's most powerful form was SSJ3. SSJG and SSJGSSJ hadn't even been thought of. The only way it works is if it's re-told and thus the new forms can now be taken into account and it becomes understandable as to why he's excited at the prospect of fighting Uub.

I don't see the problem here. Goku doesn't use any transformation against Uub; there is no struggle with Super Saiyan 3 Goku against Uub. Every single last thing Goku does can be hand-waved with "he's just in base form" or "he's just testing Uub" or "he's not truly getting serious". His excitement, regardless of whether his strongest form is SSJ3 or SSGSS or anything in between, can simply be at Uub's potential, not Uub's current state-of-being.

That reading of the scene worked fine in 1995, and it still works fine in 2015.

But you see there lies another problem for me. Goku doesn't know any better than us about Uub's potential. All he was basing it on was the fact that he was Kid Buu's reincarnation as a good guy, but he's fought beings far above that level so why be excited at the prospect of fighting him?

I just don't agree with that scene if you try and place it with the newer content.

[VegettoEX]

But you see there lies another problem for me. Goku doesn't know any better than us about Uub's potential. All he was basing it on was the fact that he was Kid Buu's reincarnation as a good guy, but he's fought beings far above that level so why be excited at the prospect of fighting him?

It's inconceivable for Goku to not at least be somewhat excited about any potential new opponent. I still do not see the problem here.

[Birusu16]

But you see there lies another problem for me. Goku doesn't know any better than us about Uub's potential. All he was basing it on was the fact that he was Kid Buu's reincarnation as a good guy, but he's fought beings far above that level so why be excited at the prospect of fighting him?

It's inconceivable for Goku to not at least be somewhat excited about any potential new opponent. I still do not see the problem here.

I guess you could look at it that way, but he seemed to be excited due to the prospect that Uub might be stronger than him or become stronger than him and that was mainly due to the fact that he was the reincarnation of Kid Buu. With his god power he has power far surpassing Kid Buu, so I don't see why he'd think it'd be in anyway conceivable for Uub to have the potential to be stronger merely because he's Kid Buu's reincarnation.

This basically boils down to Goku being excited because Uub was the reincarnation of Kid Buu. Goku himself is far above that level and has fought beings far above that level if you take into account the new content, so I just don't see where that excitement would come from.

That's why I'd rather EoZ just be re-told for clarification sake or simply retconned.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But there is nothing that says that Oob can't get stronger than Pure Boo, or God Goku. The only thing that the movies contradict are your assumptions, not the manga.

[Alex9196]

yeah the z ending should be retconned in my opinion. after super goku and vegeta go train.
no pan, no uub, no gt.

of course this is my opinion. so if you like gt you probably dont want this to happen.

[Birusu16]

But there is nothing that says that Oob can't get stronger than Pure Boo, or God Goku. The only thing that the movies contradict are your assumptions, not the manga.

I'm not doing this same argument again. I've already explained why I feel EoZ needs to be retconned. If you don't think it needs to be then so be it, but I do.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't see why EOZ being re-written or retconned. Nothing really contradicts that ending as of yet, so it would be pretty redundant to re-write EOZ as of yet.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I don't see why EOZ being re-written or retconned. Nothing really contradicts that ending as of yet, so it would be pretty redundant to re-write EOZ as of yet.

The only thing that contradict that ending is the fandom headcanon of characters powerlevel, thats all and nothing more, which that thing itself doesn´t change anything at all.

[dbgtFO]

Another hint of it perhaps being 4 years after Buu instead of over 6 months.
Bee, Mr. Satan's dog is now fully grown. Would a dog grow that much in just a year? Of course they could have just gone with Bee's battle of Gods design and not really cared much about logic, but I genuinely don't know, if a little guy like Bee would grow so much in such short time(I do know about human years vs dog years).

[DBZMerciter2005]

Another hint of it perhaps being 4 years after Buu instead of over 6 months.
Bee, Mr. Satan's dog is now fully grown. Would a dog grow that much in just a year? Of course they could have just gone with Bee's battle of Gods design and not really cared much about logic, but I genuinely don't know, if a little guy like Bee would grow so much in such short time(I do know about human years vs dog years).

Trust me when I say dogs grow FAST.

Most puppies are fully grown between 12 and 14 years of age with larger dogs taking longer to reach full size. Bee looks like he's a medium size dog so full size would be 12 to 18 months of age. Given that we don't know how old he was in DBZ it's reasonable to assume that it can be anywhere from 6 months -- as stated -- to 8-10 months after Buu saga. The two months off is to take into account a puppy having to be weaned but even 2 months is really young for a dog to go it alone.

[irreality]

The fast majority of dogs are fully grown in a year. It looks retriever-esque, those would be adults by then. Emotional maturity, on the other hand, varies a lot.

[dbgtFO]

Thanks for the info. So his size doesn't mean much anyways. At least I know a bit more about dogs now!

[Alex9196]

The fast majority of dogs are fully grown in a year. It looks retriever-esque, those would be adults by then. Emotional maturity, on the other hand, varies a lot.

That's no fair it took me around 16 years to reach my size and Bee gets the job done in one.

[Basaku]

It's almost hilarious how they remembered to age the damn dog yet Krillin, Goten, Marron & Trunks are literally shrinking

[SSJ Human]

Does anybody even really like the ending to DBZ? Most of time all I see is people whining about it, be it the character designs, the torch being passed then being passed back in GT, the focus on Uub despite a large cast you could already use, etc. Doesn't seem well-liked to me.

[dbzfan7]

Eh probably. They were quick to alter Battle of Gods and Fukkatsu no F, so I don't see the end of Z being sacred material. It'll probably be altered. Wouldn't be surprised if Oob is tossed out the window and treated as something that never happened either.

[Doctor.]

Eh probably. They were quick to alter Battle of Gods and Fukkatsu no F, so I don't see the end of Z being sacred material. It'll probably be altered. Wouldn't be surprised if Oob is tossed out the window and treated as something that never happened either.

They haven't done so with Pan, so I doubt they're gonna do the same with Oob.

If the series retcons the epilogue and goes further ahead like GT, I can see Oob hanging in the sidelines though.

[Chuquita]

I just hope we won't lose Bra. Her interactions with Vegeta in EoZ fanart are incredibly fun to look at.

[irreality]

Bra is my favorite from fanart for precisely the reason you state. I really want her to exist in Super and not be forgotten. She was underutilized in GT, and I could stand to see more chibi-Bra being a cutie. Also, the idea of Bulma and Vegeta having a late in life baby is amusing to me.