Anyone else not give a shit about the canon?

[Kamiccolo9]

X-Men is completely broken from the sheer amount of time travel & alternate universe hoping that goes on in it, not to mention insane retconing stuff into peoples backstories (like Wolverine). Seriously, Cable is the son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor who's the clone of Jean Grey who got sent into a post apocalyptic future & alternate timeline where he was raised by a nun and fought Apocalypse. Or how about Rachel Summers, another daughter of Cyclops except the actual Jean Grey's her mom who happens to inhabit the main timeline, universe thing. Or how about Mystique who's the mother of Nightcrawler, adoptive mother of Rogue, two alternate time line & universe children belonging to Xavier and Wolverine and a powerless son from Sabretooth.

Its like the worlds most ass backwards soap opera, everyone is someone elses son, daughter or 9th step cousin from an alternate universe that's just like Age of Apocalypse except we won't conveniently call it that. If I had any say, I'd annihilate all of 616 and reboot it from scratch just to cull all the X-Men insanity from existence.

None of which is nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be, and some of which has nothing to do with the timelines anyway. I fail to see how Graydon Creed makes the X-Comics more "complicated." Is Sabretooth not allowed to have a son?

I get the feeling that you're not that into Marvel, if you think the X-Comics have crazy timeline stuff going on. In the first 50 issues of Volume 3 of Avengers, there are no fewer than 6 alternate timelines shown on-panel.

And the Summers family is supposed to be convoluted, so I feel like this is just a case of you missing the point.

[ekrolo2]

X-Men is completely broken from the sheer amount of time travel & alternate universe hoping that goes on in it, not to mention insane retconing stuff into peoples backstories (like Wolverine). Seriously, Cable is the son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor who's the clone of Jean Grey who got sent into a post apocalyptic future & alternate timeline where he was raised by a nun and fought Apocalypse. Or how about Rachel Summers, another daughter of Cyclops except the actual Jean Grey's her mom who happens to inhabit the main timeline, universe thing. Or how about Mystique who's the mother of Nightcrawler, adoptive mother of Rogue, two alternate time line & universe children belonging to Xavier and Wolverine and a powerless son from Sabretooth.

Its like the worlds most ass backwards soap opera, everyone is someone elses son, daughter or 9th step cousin from an alternate universe that's just like Age of Apocalypse except we won't conveniently call it that. If I had any say, I'd annihilate all of 616 and reboot it from scratch just to cull all the X-Men insanity from existence.

None of which is nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be, and some of which has nothing to do with the timelines anyway. I fail to see how Graydon Creed makes the X-Comics more "complicated." Is Sabretooth not allowed to have a son?

I get the feeling that you're not that into Marvel, if you think the X-Comics have crazy timeline stuff going on. In the first 50 issues of Volume 3 of Avengers, there are no fewer than 6 alternate timelines shown on-panel.

And the Summers family is supposed to be convoluted, so I feel like this is just a case of you missing the point.

Just because its intended to be convoluted doesn't mean I have to like though, I find it unnecessarily over-complicating what doesn't need to be complicated which is a big problem I've had with comics as a whole since I started reading them 5 years ago. But yeah, I'm generally more of a DC guy though they've also got their own share of continuity insanity. Marvel's completely lost me with Civil War Part Deux going on with Hickman's Avengers and the whole trend of every high profile smart person in their continuity being a backstabbing, lying, sociopath who SOMEHOW is less hated than the mutant population with Tony Stark being the prime example.

[Kamiccolo9]

X-Men is completely broken from the sheer amount of time travel & alternate universe hoping that goes on in it, not to mention insane retconing stuff into peoples backstories (like Wolverine). Seriously, Cable is the son of Cyclops and Madelyne Pryor who's the clone of Jean Grey who got sent into a post apocalyptic future & alternate timeline where he was raised by a nun and fought Apocalypse. Or how about Rachel Summers, another daughter of Cyclops except the actual Jean Grey's her mom who happens to inhabit the main timeline, universe thing. Or how about Mystique who's the mother of Nightcrawler, adoptive mother of Rogue, two alternate time line & universe children belonging to Xavier and Wolverine and a powerless son from Sabretooth.

Its like the worlds most ass backwards soap opera, everyone is someone elses son, daughter or 9th step cousin from an alternate universe that's just like Age of Apocalypse except we won't conveniently call it that. If I had any say, I'd annihilate all of 616 and reboot it from scratch just to cull all the X-Men insanity from existence.

None of which is nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be, and some of which has nothing to do with the timelines anyway. I fail to see how Graydon Creed makes the X-Comics more "complicated." Is Sabretooth not allowed to have a son?

I get the feeling that you're not that into Marvel, if you think the X-Comics have crazy timeline stuff going on. In the first 50 issues of Volume 3 of Avengers, there are no fewer than 6 alternate timelines shown on-panel.

And the Summers family is supposed to be convoluted, so I feel like this is just a case of you missing the point.

Just because its intended to be convoluted doesn't mean I have to like though, I find it unnecessarily over-complicating what doesn't need to be complicated which is a big problem I've had with comics as a whole since I started reading them 5 years ago. But yeah, I'm generally more of a DC guy though they've also got their own share of continuity insanity. Marvel's completely lost me with Civil War Part Deux going on with Hickman's Avengers and the whole trend of every high profile smart person in their continuity being a backstabbing, lying, sociopath who SOMEHOW is less hated than the mutant population with Tony Stark being the prime example.

Tony Stark was literally turned into a backstabbing, lying, sociopath in AXIS, while the rest of them operated in secret up until the timeskip near the conclusion of the pre-Secret Wars stuff. And there's a big deal made of the Illuminati not being trusted anymore by those who know what they've been doing.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

My canon is pretty simple: If I liked it, then it's canon. If I didn't like it, then it's just official fanfiction.
Canon: Jaco and minus, original manga, Super, BoG and RoF
Official fanfiction: All other movies, all video game plots, and GT

[DemonRin]

I like canon conversations, I do personally have my own idea of what "counts" but I don't get the idea of attacking or shaming someone for disagreeing.

I also don't understand and greatly disagree with the idea that Canon dictates quality. I hate DBGT, but not because it's Non-canon, it's because of several other issues I have with it. I dislike a few of the movies, but like a few others. Their status as Canon doesn't dictate that for me. Like, my favorite movie of the original 13 is Movie 12. That one DEFINITELY isn't canon as far as I'm concerned, but it's still a fun film IMO.

I also don't get the idea of injecting Canon talk into irrelevant conversations like VegettoEX mentioned... If the discussion is specifically supposed to be about Canon, then have at it I say, but talking about music of voice acting or something... it's irrelevant.

The only time I bring up canon when we aren't talking specifically about it is when newer fans ask me what order to watch things in, and even then, I don't use canon to tell people to disregard something entirely.
Like, "You don't NEED to watch this because it's not canon" or "Watch this if you like, but don't worry about where it fits into the timeline, because it doesn't."

I typically reccomend people watch DB > Kai > Super and to watch the movies at their own leisure, but I stress that they weren't made with any kind of timeline in mind, but it's more like "If you watch these, don't be confused, they don't fit into the story in any logical way".

I have been guilty of saying I'm glad Super has supplanted GT... lol, but It's an afterthought. I hate GT for reasons that are entirely divorced from it's "Canon" status, so the idea that Super has rendered GT contradictory makes me happy lol

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Having a mature debate on what's canon-Fun.

Arguing about canon like it's a big deal-stupid.

My friend's 8 year old little brother though Bojack was canon. He posted that on youtube,and people told him to kill himself. An 8 year old, because of canon. People get way to heated about it.

I think the important thing is to NOT be a sheep. Don't just follow what people say is ok to like. You're not a "fake fan" if you like the first 13 movies. You're not a "real fan" if you only read the manga and what's a part of it's continuity.

[TheGmGoken]

As long as the story is interesting. I don't give a fuck.