Worst fight in all of Dragon Ball

[rereboy]

That's my point, the art/animation in the episode wasn't great by any means, it was in fact weak, but it's nowhere all bad, it was pretty decent in several moments and pretty much most of what fans are pointing out are still frames from in-between movements.

It's not just still frames. It just looks terrible overall.

Like I said, most of what fans are pointing out are still frames from in-between movements. Their examples are mostly that but I never said it was just that. I do agree that the episode was weak in terms of art/animation, I'm just pointing out the exaggeration and the poor examples of why it was that way.

[dbzfan7]

SSJ/2 Goku vs Beerus in Super. What bothered me most was the choreography being soooo boring. The random alien fighting Beerus was more interesting.Though once Goku goes SSJ3 things pick up.

[Cipher]

How? They are constantly making light of everything by it all being not serious. Even after everyone they love is dead, Gotenks is still not taking it completely serious. I'm not saying it's out of character, but it make for a terrible boss fight with drama and stakes if you are essentially saying, "Things aren't that bad, we're just a goofy manga". Gotenks is a combination of Trunks and Goten, he's not completely foreign to their actual personalities. If things were going to crap, why would you pester Piccolo to play Volleyball?

Because Gotenks is a cocky idiot. All I can say is that it reads differently from the author stepping in and saying, "Hey! Nothing matters!" because it's still in the middle of a dire arc and it's clear the comedy is coming from the characters involved (and indeed how much their actions contrast with the serious build-up). Piccolo understands just how much trouble they're in, but he's forced to watch two cosmically powerful morons fight for the fate of the world. Boo is an absurd (even for Dragon Ball) villain to begin with, so the arc has bought itself some leeway with how far it can slide into gag territory.

I'd be right there with you too if I didn't find it genuinely funny, but -- I don't know how you can get to the surprise reveal of the Super Ghost Kamikaze and not know you're in for a good time.

It's also, as I said last post, not the "boss fight." It's obviously a middle act as Gohan is prepping to return at the same time.

[ABED]

How? They are constantly making light of everything by it all being not serious. Even after everyone they love is dead, Gotenks is still not taking it completely serious. I'm not saying it's out of character, but it make for a terrible boss fight with drama and stakes if you are essentially saying, "Things aren't that bad, we're just a goofy manga". Gotenks is a combination of Trunks and Goten, he's not completely foreign to their actual personalities. If things were going to crap, why would you pester Piccolo to play Volleyball?

Because Gotenks is a cocky idiot. All I can say is that it reads differently from the author stepping in and saying, "Hey! Nothing matters!" because it's still in the middle of a dire arc and it's clear the comedy is coming from the characters involved (and indeed how much their actions contrast with the serious build-up). Piccolo understands just how much trouble they're in, but he's forced to watch two cosmically powerful morons fight for the fate of the world. Boo is an absurd (even for Dragon Ball) villain to begin with, so the arc has bought itself some leeway with how far it can slide into gag territory.

I'd be right there with you too if I didn't find it genuinely funny, but -- I don't know how you can get to the surprise reveal of the Super Ghost Kamikaze and not know you're in for a good time.

It's also, as I said last post, not the "boss fight." It's obviously a middle act as Gohan is prepping to return at the same time.

It's not different because the author created those characters and it's his choice to make Gotenks silly during that battle.

Buu is absurd, but Super Buu has a different personality than the first one and is much more menacing. It doesn't matter that Super Buu isn't his final form (not that the audience knows it), but it's still Buu so it's is the boss fight.

[VintageSaiyan]

That's my point, the art/animation in the episode wasn't great by any means, it was in fact weak, but it's nowhere all bad, it was pretty decent in several moments and pretty much most of what fans are pointing out are still frames from in-between movements.

It's not just still frames. It just looks terrible overall.

Like I said, most of what fans are pointing out are still frames from in-between movements. Their examples are mostly that but I never said it was just that. I do agree that the episode was weak in terms of art/animation, I'm just pointing out the exaggeration and the poor examples of why it was that way.

It was by far the worst fight in the series, especially it being a major one. How can you just ignore the absolutely horrible and practically non-existent fight choreography? People bring up Z's bad animation/art, but the fights were interesting to watch. Super #5 was one of the lamest excuses for a fight I've ever seen, and not just in the dragonball universe.

[shinmaru]

Gotenks vs Buu was a boring Gag fight.

[LonelyShadow]

Buuhan vs Super Vegetto. It was goofy, unbalanced and it just wasn't exciting.

Freeza vs Super Saiyan Goku (anime) After so many episodes of the same characters fighting, it became tedious.

[ABED]

I like the fight against Vegetto and Buu. I don't mind that it's not balanced as I dug seeing the good guys give Buu his comeuppance after seeing Buu beat up pretty much everyone for so long. That said, I agree that it is a little too long. Two episodes would've been preferable to 4.

[gohann]

Broly vs everyone, his fights are just him curb stomping everyone with no fight-back until the end, where he gets taken out in one hit.

[ABED]

Broly vs everyone, his fights are just him curb stomping everyone with no fight-back until the end, where he gets taken out in one hit.

Agreed, it's never satisfying to see such lackluster comeback when the rest of the fight was the good guy getting the crap kicked out of him.