Piccolo's ENG dub voice opinion

[TheGreatness25]

I feel like his current voice is just Chris Sabat talking. As the series went on, Vegeta's voice became lower and less raspy and so did Piccolo's. Sometimes, I have trouble telling the difference between Vegeta and Piccolo; it seems the only difference i that minor accent that Sabat puts on Vegeta. I like Boo arc Vegeta and actually like the Namek/Cyborg arc Piccolo voice (script aside because we all know that yes, yes, yes, he can do it, he can win, he can dooo thissss!).

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I thought he was a writer? oh well
Still that isnt my main point

Like how you make up reasons to hate on Peter Kelamis, Kirby Morrow, Linda Young, etc.?
Instead you go "his voice doesnt sound natural because... it went up 1% higher than it should have at the end! Oh and hes goofy!"

Those aren't made up reasons, you can hear it from the footage. And it didn't go up 1% higher than it should have, that was never the argument I made. I said he sounds unnatural. ANd yes, his voice goes up and down like a weird Goofy/Woody Woodpecker hybrid. I don't know exactly how to explain it, but it's there and anyone that says he sounds natural, is kidding themselves. They may like it, but no one sounds like that. As for Kirby, he does sound bland, that's not made up.

You constantly make up reasons that you are inconsistent in and never sufficiently back up. "His voice is too deep for a 29 year old", "He doesn't sound like a Namekian" when no other Namekian sounds remotely like McNeil. "He sounds like a muscle man"

And every negative thing said about Linda young's performance is true. She's terrible as Freeza. What possible rebuttal do you have?

How exactly?

We've been over this, it's the high pitched, scratchy (for lack of a better word), sinister voice that screams "I'm EVIL!" I don't know how else to explain it, but disregarding Vegeta's development, does that sound like a voice you would give a traditionally heroic character?

Sabat being a writer is irrelevant. He didn't give Piccolo any more dialog than he does in the original.

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You can hear how amazing Kirby Morrow is from the footage. that is your argument on the opposite side
Exactly you cant go further into it because you seemingly pulled it out of thin air
By your own statement youre kidding yourself if you think Peter is bad but i wont say that because I'm not close minded.
Again you dont explain why he is bland
Do you see why i accuse you of slander/libel? bc you rarely back up anything it sounds like you hold a personal grudge against Peter, Linda, Kirby, etc
You can say my arguments suck and maybe they do.
but i at least TRY and back them up to the best i can

I have backed them up, maybe not well but again i try the best i can. Those two first things you pointed out I went into so much detail about them.
"Muscle man" I believe i explained in another thread.

Yes she is terrible. i just don't hold a grudge.

High pitched: nothing wrong with that.
Scratchy: same thing you said about raspy voices apply to scratchy voices too. 50/50
Sinister: okay

No but i wouldn't give Chris voice to a hero either. Heroic does NOT describe Vegeta

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He doesn't sound amazing. The acting is okay, but that's not Goku, it's very bland action hero. I've heard that voice numerous times over the years and I still can't remember it off the top of my head. It's that unmemorable.

Exactly you cant go further into it because you seemingly pulled it out of thin air

Hi Pot, this is Kettle, you're black. It's hard to explain a voice in the written word.

Peter is bad but i wont say that because I'm not close minded

He is awful. It's not about being close minded, I gave it a shot numerous times over the years, and with the exception of the movies, he's awful in the role. Even in the movies he's bad, just not as bad. I don't even know what you mean by close minded in this context.

Do you see why i accuse you of slander/libel?

Slander is spoken, it's libel if it's printed. And second, that's not an accusation you make lightly. Slander isn't merely someone expressing an opinion you don't like, it's a crime. Show me where there's anything I've written that comes remotely close to a personal attack. And if you are going to accuse me any further, then I should stop writing to you, because that's a heavy accusation and an obnoxious one.

but i at least TRY and back them up to the best i can

No you don't. I have, i have given my reasons all the time. All you continue to say is "He doesn't sound like a Namekian" but apparently the only namekian that counts is McNeil's Piccolo.

Yes she is terrible. i just don't hold a grudge.

What grudge? You think that's a grudge, but you have it out for Sabat to the point where you blame it on him for Piccolo having a lot of lines.

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He actually is amazing.
the acting and voice are great.
Just because you cannot remember it doesnt make it not memorable and i heard Sean Goku countless times in 4kids dubs.

It is hard to explain so why not let me off the hook then?

I mean close minded because you say people cant think Peter sounds natural

Libel is defined as making false or damaging statements about someone in print. if someone feels that you or me made a false statement about someone it's libel to them. Obviously "damaging" doesn't apply here but false can apply depending on view point
There are no personal attacks but the definitions don't say anything about that
The closest it says to that is "intended to damage someone's reputation". if someone takes offence to anything anyone says about someone and takes it personally they will view it as libel
now I'm not saying i am innocent, i have done the same thing.
You can view my criticisms on people as libel because your view on them is different

and i have gone into why i feel that way. besides who's the one who keeps bringing it up long after i dropped it?

I can at least admit when i like something he does but you say X doesn't have a good role, A, B and C all suck.
like how you blamed Dale Kelly for the scripts?

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If that's what you think libel is then you have a very liberal understanding of the word. If what I wrote is libelous, you also fall under that category as does every single critic. Damaging someone's reputation is by claiming that someone is making up sources or was sued for malpractice when they weren't. There also has to be malicious intent. It's not "I think this actor isn't good in this role". Opinions aren't libel. Libel is a prosecutable offense. I don't have malicious intent either. I have nothing against the actors on a personal level.

It is hard to explain so why not let me off the hook then?

Not when you say things like "he doens't sound Namekian enough". You haven't given me even the slightest hint at what that means.

I mean close minded because you say people cant think Peter sounds natural

Who have you met that sounds like Kelamis and has his inflections?

I can at least admit when i like something he does but you say X doesn't have a good role, A, B and C all suck.
like how you blamed Dale Kelly for the scripts?

I say what I honestly think, and I don't think certain actors are good in anything. It's very possible that I honestly believe they are awful in everything. I'm fair in my criticism. If I believe an actor is good in a role, I'll say so, even if i think he/she is terrible in everything else.
When did i blame Dale Kelly for the scripts?

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Okay,I'm sorry for accusing you of libel.
With that out of the way lets move on:

I have. Its not a voice i expect from a fictional race. Green men are still human but in fiction a more odd voice would be expected to me.
I'm not sure what more you are expecting
And again who brought it up over and over after i dropped it altogether? its you.

Many people.
Better question would be who do you know that sounds like:
Chris Ayres (Freeza)
Sean Schemmel (Goku)
Chris Sabat (Piccolo)
And more.

It is possible and i feel the same about Justin Cook and Sean Schemmel. but without reasons or evidence, well....

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... alog+awful

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I have. Its not a voice i expect from a fictional race. Green men are still human but in fiction a more odd voice would be expected to me.
I'm not sure what more you are expecting
That just says "expected" but not that it's bad if it doesn't conform to them. Plus, the only one who seems to meet your criterion is McNeil, and that voice fits, not because Piccolo's an alien, but because he's a demon.

Chris Ayres (Freeza)
Sean Schemmel (Goku)
Chris Sabat (Piccolo)

Freeza's an over the top exaggeration, Goku's not, and you know who sounds like Piccolo? Chris Sabat. That's his voice, but slightly deeper.

You're not reading those posts correctly. The difference between Vale and Kelly is that Kelly was bad as the announcer and as Ginyu. Vale has had a number of good roles and he was good as the announcer. The bad dialog hurts him, but the announcer isn't always spouting off bad dialog.

Oh yeah, I just remembered another of your ridiculous points - Phil Parson's Nappa doesn't sound like a stereotypical military drill sergeant.

[The Patrolman]

Scott Mcneil: He is my brother's favorite Piccolo and I dont blame him. He does have times where he reminds me of Wolverine. His screams were well just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLfP5GdIr8 .

Chris Sabat Early Day: It was decent to me. Kinda sounded like the inspiration of Christian Bales Batman. His scream were just okay to me nothing special.

Chris Sabat Dragon Ball and Redub: To me this is how Piccolo should sound to me.

Chris Sabat Now: This is just disappointing voice to listen to. He doesnt like Piccolo to me. He just sounds like himself with a little deep voice.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

Scott Mcneil: He is my brother's favorite Piccolo and I dont blame him. He does have times where he reminds me of Wolverine. His screams were well just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLfP5GdIr8 .

Chris Sabat Early Day: It was decent to me. Kinda sounded like the inspiration of Christian Bales Batman. His scream were just okay to me nothing special.

Chris Sabat Dragon Ball and Redub: To me this is how Piccolo should sound to me.

Chris Sabat Now: This is just disappointing voice to listen to. He doesnt like Piccolo to me. He just sounds like himself with a little deep voice.

How about this example: It shows his voice is self-explanatory in Kai when he comments on Freeza's final form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoN6fkZS1eE

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I like other Namekian voices just not the crappy ones
Scott also works for the alien side

So why does Chris get a free pass but not Peter then?
You didnt answer the question and i think Peter sounds more natural than Sean
Bait4State explains it perfectly in his Goku voice comparison -Kelamis vs Schemmel vid.
Piccolo: will give you that

Dale Kelly isnt as bad as Kyle as the narrator and his Ginyu is the best to me
The narrator and Ginyu doesn't"always" say bad lines either
But Dale Kelly didnt write the dialogue either.

You conveniently forgot i dropped the point.

[KaiserNeko]

Scott Mcneil: He is my brother's favorite Piccolo and I dont blame him. He does have times where he reminds me of Wolverine. His screams were well just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLfP5GdIr8 .

Chris Sabat Early Day: It was decent to me. Kinda sounded like the inspiration of Christian Bales Batman. His scream were just okay to me nothing special.

Chris Sabat Dragon Ball and Redub: To me this is how Piccolo should sound to me.

Chris Sabat Now: This is just disappointing voice to listen to. He doesnt like Piccolo to me. He just sounds like himself with a little deep voice.

How about this example: It shows his voice is self-explanatory in Kai when he comments on Freeza's final form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoN6fkZS1eE

In that clip alone, he sounds better than almost all of his past performances in Z. The older voice for him sounded like Sabat trying really hard to make him sound like some inhuman, mush mouthed monster. While he got better over time, he still had to keep to the tone and style set by years of dubbing the show; i.e. keeping him over the top in both voice and in his acting. His randition in Kai is a much subtler, realistic, better acted Piccolo than any other interpretation before it. This is how a person would actually sound and his acting is far superior. Top to bottom, this is better. While I still would love to hear McNeil take a swing at it with the interpretation we saw in the movies, I outwardly believe that Sabat has a more realistic, believable character here than McNeil did, even if I enjoy McNeil better in the movies.

Also: The idea that is sounds bad because it sounds like Sabat's regular voice but deeper is, I personally believe, a flawed argument. Plenty of classic characters are just someone's regular voice, but higher or lower. Not to mention, as someone who's talked to Sabat for more than a minute? That's not really his normal voice but lower. His normal voice sounds more like Yamcha, only slightly deeper and without the goofiness.

[The Patrolman]

Scott Mcneil: He is my brother's favorite Piccolo and I dont blame him. He does have times where he reminds me of Wolverine. His screams were well just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cLfP5GdIr8 .

Chris Sabat Early Day: It was decent to me. Kinda sounded like the inspiration of Christian Bales Batman. His scream were just okay to me nothing special.

Chris Sabat Dragon Ball and Redub: To me this is how Piccolo should sound to me.

Chris Sabat Now: This is just disappointing voice to listen to. He doesnt like Piccolo to me. He just sounds like himself with a little deep voice.

How about this example: It shows his voice is self-explanatory in Kai when he comments on Freeza's final form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoN6fkZS1eE

In that clip alone, he sounds better than almost all of his past performances in Z. The older voice for him sounded like Sabat trying really hard to make him sound like some inhuman, mush mouthed monster. While he got better over time, he still had to keep to the tone and style set by years of dubbing the show; i.e. keeping him over the top in both voice and in his acting. His randition in Kai is a much subtler, realistic, better acted Piccolo than any other interpretation before it. This is how a person would actually sound and his acting is far superior. Top to bottom, this is better. While I still would love to hear McNeil take a swing at it with the interpretation we saw in the movies, I outwardly believe that Sabat has a more realistic, believable character here than McNeil did, even if I enjoy McNeil better in the movies.

Also: The idea that is sounds bad because it sounds like Sabat's regular voice but deeper is, I personally believe, a flawed argument. Plenty of classic characters are just someone's regular voice, but higher or lower. Not to mention, as someone who's talked to Sabat for more than a minute? That's not really his normal voice but lower. His normal voice sounds more like Yamcha, only slightly deeper and without the goofiness.

First off HUGE FAN CAN I HAVE YOUR AUTOGRAPH . Well I dont mean that his new voice is completely terrible. I'm just having a hard getting used to it.

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I like other Namekian voices just not the crappy ones
Scott also works for the alien side

But you keep skirting the issue. Which ones are the good ones?
Regarding the alien thing, none of the other Namekians else sounds like McNeil.

The narrator and Ginyu doesn't"always" say bad lines either

In season 3, they were HORRIFIC lines.

But Dale Kelly didnt write the dialogue either.

Never claimed he did.

So why does Chris get a free pass but not Peter then?
You didnt answer the question and i think Peter sounds more natural than Sean
Bait4State explains it perfectly in his Goku voice comparison -Kelamis vs Schemmel vid.
Piccolo: will give you that

I know where supposed to think "it's all opinion" but i can't fathom anyone honestly thinking Kelamis sounds more natural than Schemmel. You may like that goofy delivery, but it's not a natural delivery. Chris doesn't get a free pass and I don't like Kelamis as Goku. It's so unnatural and goofy and even when he's being serious, it's a put on silly sounding delivery. I've never liked it.

That's not really his normal voice but lower. His normal voice sounds more like Yamcha, only slightly deeper and without the goofiness

It is his voice but with more bass and oompfh to it, but it's not that far from his real voice. Being closer to Yamcha doesn't mean his voice isn't close to Piccolo's.

[Blade]

In regards to vocal performances, the Sabat from Kai onwards is a completely different animal to the Sabat from Z. There's no question for me that he's a much better actor and his performances are more polished. In terms of tonality, though, his voice has lowered as he's gotten older, and I much prefer the sound of his Piccolo voice from Funimation's dub of the end of Z/GT/'Uncut'.

As a British fan, historically I've had a lot more exposure to McNeil's Piccolo than Sabat's, who I do have a liking for, despite some the rushed and ropy performances and the fact that he more or less used the same voice for Wolverine on X Men Evolution.

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ABEd here are the Good ones:
Piccolo (Scott). Paul Bandey and the Final Bout VA are pretty good but not great.
The Eldest Namek (Ocean dub only)
King Piccolo (any)
Child Dende (all)

Yeah but Dale Kelly tried the best he could, no one could make them sound good. you said it yourself i think.

"I'm hardly alone in that assessment, he's awful, the acting, the voice, the dialog is all bad."

Watch the video and he explains how. also here are some comments he made:

Bait4State 1 week ago
+Comment Guy "IWILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWOOORRRLD!" He now has too much rasp in general for my taste, but to each their own.

Bait4State 3 weeks ago
+Jimmy Notto Schemmel's screaming has become much too repetitive for my tastes. Whether he's powering up, or yelling from pain, it sounds too similar.

Bait4State 3 weeks ago
+David Hoch Schemmel was grunting, when his body bulked up it sounded like something was hitting him, and then a short scream. Kai was just nonstop raspy screaming. Kelamis was growling, was more subtle but accurate when bulked, then had a smooth, long scream to top it off. They are EXTREMELY different, hardly any similarities. I don't know why I bother, I knew most people wouldn't recognize these small, but drastic details. Grunting versus growling, sounding like you're getting hit hard or subtle "ha!"s when transforming.

Bait4State 2 weeks ago
+Juan Reyes Idk tbh. Big green dub was criticized for lines like "Youmustdie, Ialoneambest!" meanwhile, in Battle of the Gods "IWILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWORLD!" got endless comments praising it.


also people call him a nostalgiat@rd and are saying he should stop "sucking off" Peter Kelamis, because dick jokes are SO ORIGINAL HURHURRRRHURRRRRRRRRR. when he grew up with the Funimation dub and they are doing the same thing to Sean Schemmel!

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Yeah but Dale Kelly tried the best he could, no one could make them sound good. you said it yourself i think.
His performance was bad regardless of the lines.

The Eldest Namek (Ocean dub only)

Doesn't sound Namekian. He sounds like a normal old guy.
Child Dende doesn't sound like a Namekian, he sounds like a kid.
And what's wrong with the Kai eldest Namek?

King Piccolo (any)

What? Then I dont' get why you have this hatred for Sabat as Piccolo Jr. because whatever gravel and poor delivery were magnified as King Piccolo.

I am not going to watch the video. It won't explain anything, it will just be another person's opinion.

He now has too much rasp in general for my taste

Really? The rasp? For one, it's barely present, if at all. If it's there, it's natural. Some people seemed to have latched onto that adjective and automatically deem any rasp to be terrible. Rasp is fine, if it's natural like Stone Cold or Sam Elliot. And Kelamis never growled, he just yelled. He had a good scream, that's it. "I will not let you destroy my world" isn't the greatest delivery but it's not horrible either.

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I thought his performance was good.

The keyword is: old. the others who voiced him dont sound old. And he doesnt sound much like a normal old guy
OH and I like Moori (Ocean) and havent heard the others.
As i said before i give child Namekians leeway since their vocals havent developed fully.
Its lacking warmth or wisdom plus it doesnt have much of the natural old man sound.

From what i heard he at least sounded evil.

The rasp can be taken or left but hes just saying it can be distracting.
Kelamis did growl in the SS transformation scene but you didnt watch the video.
Maybe not but he brings up a good point: Big Green was bashed for sentences sounding like one word but it was okay when Sean did it.

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I'm basing my views of Kelamis from the old ocean dub. I have no interest in hearing any more of him than that.

Big Green was bashed for sentences sounding like one word but it was okay when Sean did it.

I don't care about the BG dub. I've never heard it and don't intend to go out of my way when there's already several America dubs.
And where is Sean's "rasp" distracting? Is it worse than King Piccolo's gravel?

OH and I like Moori (Ocean) and havent heard the others.
As i said before i give child Namekians leeway since their vocals havent developed fully.
Its lacking warmth or wisdom plus it doesnt have much of the natural old man sound.

You aren't doing your "he doesn't sound Namekian" any favors when you say Moori is good. He sounds like a regular guy. How have you not heard the others? Haven't you seen the entire show?
So kids sound human when they are young and Namekian when they are older?
I don't trust your views on people's ages. Apparently 29 year old don't have deep voices, and Sabat sounded 40.

You don't think Kai's Grand elder has a natural old man sound?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LdIJ1OlC5A
The man who did the voice in the ocean dub sounded like a man closer to his 50, Kai's voice definitely sounds older and more weathered.

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If youre not going to listen to him in westwood then dont say he only yells when Bait4State was referring to a scene from Westwood.

But you cared enough to bash it.
I never said it was, thats not my comment.

Thats probablty bc i dropped it. You brought it up not me. He sounds like a human being but i think the actual performance is good otherwise.
When i say i havent heard the others i either mean i havent heard enough of them, have to listen to them again or i only heard their voices in one particular dub, whichever one I watched at the time.
Of course you ignore the part where i say its lacking warmth and wisdom.

If the Ocean clip of Guru unlocking their potential didnt get taken down i would show it to you and prove you wrong.
What does a 50 year old sound like to you?