Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Marlowe89 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:33 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, maybe his base form is slightly weaker that SSG, and SS is exactly as strong as SSG, and SSB is stronger than SSG. At least that's what we get from everything.
Beerus never mentioned anything about an "insignificant decrease" until Goku was already a Super Saiyan, so I don't believe that SS is exactly as strong as SSG. I think it's entirely plausible that base represents some of SSG's power, SS represents almost all of the power and SSGSS represents the full power of SSG, but our interpretations are not something we can totally be sure of until more information is revealed on the matter.
Yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean "This form of Super Saiyan = as strong as Super Saiyan God".
That depends on how you define "power" in the translation. For your interpretation to be correct, it would need to refer solely to SSG's "god ki" -- for mine, it would need to refer to just the amount of power.

Ultimately, I think we need to just wait for future Super episodes to hopefully clarify the issue before we start making definitive comparisons between SSG and SSGSS.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:23 am

Marlowe89 wrote:Beerus never mentioned anything about an "insignificant decrease" until Goku was already a Super Saiyan, so I don't believe that SS is exactly as strong as SSG.
Beerus wasn't talking about specifically SS Goku though, he was talking about Goku in general after he lost the SSG form.
I think it's entirely plausible that base represents some of SSG's power, SS represents almost all of the power and SSGSS represents the full power of SSG, but our interpretations are not something we can totally be sure of until more information is revealed on the matter.
Well, we do have more information already, SS is stated to be as strong as SSG in the Super anime, and SSGSS is stated to be stronger than SSG in the Super manga. You just don't find them trustworthy because we can't know if they came from Toriyama or not, which is perfectly fine, I don't trust everything in Super as well.
That depends on how you define "power" in the translation. For your interpretation to be correct, it would need to refer solely to SSG's "god ki" -- for mine, it would need to refer to just the amount of power.
I'm not talking about the godly ki, I'm talking about the power of SSG in general. Having the power of SSG doesn't make you as strong as a SSG, base Goku for example has the power of Super Saiyan God, but he isn't exactly as strong as his SSG, he is a little weaker.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Marlowe89 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:58 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Beerus wasn't talking about specifically SS Goku though, he was talking about Goku in general after he lost the SSG form.
SS Goku couldn't negate Beerus' attack until re-transforming back into SSG, and the fact that Beerus' comment was made while Goku was a Super Saiyan makes me skeptical that Beerus was referring only to base Goku (at least as far as the BoG film is concerned).
Well, we do have more information already, SS is stated to be as strong as SSG in the Super anime, and SSGSS is stated to be stronger than SSG in the Super manga. You just don't find them trustworthy because we can't know if they came from Toriyama or not, which is perfectly fine, I don't trust everything in Super as well.
Personally, I don't find the Super manga trustworthy because A.) it's an adaptation of the Super anime and B.) I don't typically hold Toyotaro in high regard when it comes to matters of canonicity. You're correct that the SSG-absorbed SS is stated to be as strong as SSG in the Super anime, but that still doesn't necessarily make anything definitive when it comes to SSGSS, particularly since SSGSS itself is defined using similar terminology.
I'm not talking about the godly ki, I'm talking about the power of SSG in general. Having the power of SSG doesn't make you as strong as a SSG, base Goku for example has the power of Super Saiyan God, but he isn't exactly as strong as his SSG, he is a little weaker.
That only applies to circumstances in which the user only possesses a fraction of SSG's full power. Do you believe that SSGSS has more of "the power of SSG" than SSG itself? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:07 am

Marlowe89 wrote:SS Goku couldn't negate Beerus' attack until re-transforming back into SSG, and the fact that Beerus' comment was made while Goku was a Super Saiyan makes me skeptical that Beerus was referring only to base Goku (at least as far as the BoG film is concerned).
I don't think Goku stopped it because of his power, I think it's because he got angry and gave his all. Just like how he fought better as a Super Saiyan than he did as a Super Saiyan God.
That only applies to circumstances in which the user only possesses a fraction of SSG's full power. Do you believe that SSGSS has more of "the power of SSG" than SSG itself? That doesn't make any sense to me.
I believe that by becoming a Super Saiyan while having most of SSG's power in his base form, he expands it beyond its full power. DBZ: Dokkan Battle explains it perfectly:
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Yes, Toriyama didn't write these things in this game or in Super manga & anime, but I don't think they would pull such facts from their asses. And I got to the same conclusion before Dokkan Battle & Super.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Metrite » Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:39 am

It's super obvious that ssjb (super saiya-jin blue... I still think it should've just been "super super saiya-jin god"! :lol: ) is stronger than ssjg. Disregarding all nitpicking about the tiniest words in the original movie and such, at this point the way it is clearly meant to be is that base Goku and Vegeta with god power absorbed are just as strong as they'd be if they were in the red haired form, making it pointless to be in that form at all now. They can still turn ssj the old fashioned way with gold hair and all, but it doesn't amplify their god power which is so extraordinary compared to the power the old ssj forms gave that the old forms are pointless (they'd just waste energy to add drops to a bucket). It seems after some training and experimenting, Goku and Vegeta found a way to transform that actually does amplify their god power, ssjb. It's obviously no 50 times increase, but significant enough to make a difference. So presently the strongest form around is ssj blue. (Surely there has to be a better name idea that wasn't such a mouthful...)
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Marlowe89 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:14 am

I had no idea about the dialogue in Dokkan Battle. In that case, DBZGTKOSDH,your interpretation definitely has more footing than mine officially. I still want to wait for some clarification in the Super anime though, since it's the only material right now that we know Toriyama has some degree of involvement in.

Still, I can't imagine that adding Super Saiyan on top of something as drastic as Super Saiyan God would make that much of a difference in battle powers. I can maybe see it being really useful in situations where Goku is dead even with an opponent and needs a slight edge.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:07 am

Marlowe89 wrote:I had no idea about the dialogue in Dokkan Battle. In that case, DBZGTKOSDH,your interpretation definitely has more footing than mine officially. I still want to wait for some clarification in the Super anime though, since it's the only material right now that we know Toriyama has some degree of involvement in.
I wouldn't be so sure about Toriyama's involvement at the moment, at least until the anime goes beyond FnF. So far, it looks like Toei is working on their own with Super, and Toriyama will get involved after the FnF arc is over (though we don't have confirmation about that). Since the Super manga has gone beyond FnF now, I trust it more than the Super anime at the moment.
Still, I can't imagine that adding Super Saiyan on top of something as drastic as Super Saiyan God would make that much of a difference in battle powers. I can maybe see it being really useful in situations where Goku is dead even with an opponent and needs a slight edge.
It doesn't seem to give a huge increase a la Oozaru/SS/2/3/God, but it seems to give a significant increase. God Goku was a 6 & Beerus was a 10, and SbG Goku is somewhere close to 6, yet SSB Goku is still weaker than Beerus, and even with SSB Vegeta's help, they can rival him, not necessarily beat him. The increase is less than x2, but still significant, like with SSG2/3.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Marlowe89 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:18 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I wouldn't be so sure about Toriyama's involvement at the moment, at least until the anime goes beyond FnF. So far, it looks like Toei is working on their own with Super, and Toriyama will get involved after the FnF arc is over (though we don't have confirmation about that). Since the Super manga has gone beyond FnF now, I trust it more than the Super anime at the moment.
You're being pretty speculative there though, and like I said, the Super manga is an adaptation of the Super anime. I'm not "so sure" about anything, I'm simply going by something that we know Toriyama has some sort of direct engagement in (the anime) vs. something that we have no confirmation of Toriyama's involvement at all beyond Toyotaro just borrowing from the script and perhaps taking some artistic liberties (the manga). I personally put more stock into the anime precisely because it's the "source material" for the new series.

Overall, I agree with dbgtFO. A lot of official sources seem to attribute SSGSS to be an inherently stronger form than SSG, but I'm not so sure that it was the author's intent, assuming that Herms' translation of Goku's dialogue in RoF was accurate.
It doesn't seem to give a huge increase a la Oozaru/SS/2/3/God, but it seems to give a significant increase. God Goku was a 6 & Beerus was a 10, and SbG Goku is somewhere close to 6, yet SSB Goku is still weaker than Beerus, and even with SSB Vegeta's help, they can rival him, not necessarily beat him. The increase is less than x2, but still significant, like with SSG2/3.
If SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta fighting together with perfect synergy would at best rival Beerus as some fans postulate, I can't imagine SSGSS Goku being much higher than a 7.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:09 pm

Marlowe89 wrote:You're being pretty speculative there though, and like I said, the Super manga is an adaptation of the Super anime. I'm not "so sure" about anything, I'm simply going by something that we know Toriyama has some sort of direct engagement in (the anime) vs. something that we have no confirmation of Toriyama's involvement at all beyond Toyotaro just borrowing from the script and perhaps taking some artistic liberties (the manga). I personally put more stock into the anime precisely because it's the "source material" for the new series.
The anime so far is screaming Toei all over the place, and Toriyama's statement made it sound like he would start working on Super after the FnF arc ends. There is no real evidence about Toriyama not being involved with BoG & FnF arcs, but personally, I'm 100% sure that Toriyama has nothing to do with them. As for Toyotaro, it seems to be as you say, he is taking the scripts of the episodes & adapts them on his own way.
If SSGSS Goku and SSGSS Vegeta fighting together with perfect synergy would at best rival Beerus as some fans postulate, I can't imagine SSGSS Goku being much higher than a 7.
I agree. And with Golden Freeza being stronger than them at full power, but still below Beerus' full power, it's hard for them to be close to Beerus yet. I have them at around 7.5, personally.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by buutenks » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:09 pm

Well id put goku and vegeta at 7.5.However since whis stated that if goku and vegeta would double team beerus they could win,id say they r proly in the 8+ range.Making freeza around 8.5,but rapidly losing power due to stamina issues.
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Post by dbgtFO » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:04 pm

It annoys me how Toei and co. always come out with pretty clear statements and the best we have from Toriyama is this one line(that may even be translated differently?).
I've already claimed that it's because they dumb it down even further than Toriyama, who as an author might have more of an appreciation of subtlety, whereas the other media doesn't have time for that.
Until Toriyama comes out and says what is what, there will always be more evidence for SSGSS/SSB being a more powerful form than SSG, which is pretty annoying, if the original intention is just for them to be even.
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Post by Sandubadear » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:34 pm

dbgtFO wrote:It annoys me how Toei and co. always come out with pretty clear statements and the best we have from Toriyama is this one line(that may even be translated differently?).
I've already claimed that it's because they dumb it down even further than Toriyama, who as an author might have more of an appreciation of subtlety, whereas the other media doesn't have time for that.
Until Toriyama comes out and says what is what, there will always be more evidence for SSGSS/SSB being a more powerful form than SSG, which is pretty annoying, if the original intention is just for them to be even.
If SSGSS is stronger in RoF than SSG, it's only because of the training they had with Whis.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:35 pm

dbgtFO wrote:It annoys me how Toei and co. always come out with pretty clear statements and the best we have from Toriyama is this one line(that may even be translated differently?).
I've already claimed that it's because they dumb it down even further than Toriyama, who as an author might have more of an appreciation of subtlety, whereas the other media doesn't have time for that.
Until Toriyama comes out and says what is what, there will always be more evidence for SSGSS/SSB being a more powerful form than SSG, which is pretty annoying, if the original intention is just for them to be even.
The fact that the "Super Saiyan who's a Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God" statement was used in another statement where SSB is said to be stronger than SSG means that the way it was used in the movie doesn't have to mean that SSG & SSB are even. And since Bandai Namco, Toei, and Toyotaro have taken the SSB > SSG direction, I doubt Toriyama's intention was to have SSB = SSG (not to mention there are other indications of this from Toriyama).
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Xeztin » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:05 pm

I hate the "Super Saiyan who's a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God" thing. The only way throwing "who's a Saiyan" in there makes since to me, is if he's implying that he's a mortal Saiyan, not a "God" anymore, but he has the power of one.
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Post by Hitiro » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:28 pm

Xeztin wrote:I hate the "Super Saiyan who's a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God" thing. The only way throwing "who's a Saiyan" in there makes since to me, is if he's implying that he's a mortal Saiyan, not a "God" anymore, but he has the power of one.
To be fair there aren't any God's that aren't mortal. From what we've seen so far they can all die. It's just that people like Beerus, Whis, the Kaioshin and the Kai's all have extremely long lifespans.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:55 am

Xeztin wrote:I hate the "Super Saiyan who's a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God" thing. The only way throwing "who's a Saiyan" in there makes since to me, is if he's implying that he's a mortal Saiyan, not a "God" anymore, but he has the power of one.
While no comment was made on this in the movies or by Toriyama, in Super, Goku no longer has godly ki.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:07 am

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:32 am

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:SSJ4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Super Saiyan god super saiyan>super saiyan god=beerus 60%
Consider the feats we've seen and the statement throw around in Super so far, I'd say that the God-tier characters in Super are well above the SSJ4's.
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Post by GTX » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:32 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:SSJ4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Super Saiyan god super saiyan>super saiyan god=beerus 60%
Consider the feats we've seen and the statement throw around in Super so far, I'd say that the God-tier characters in Super are well above the SSJ4's.
Is there even any feat? even the destruction casualties only manage to destroy few small meteorites and probably 1 small planet.

Minute: 19
Context: as Goku and Beerus continue to beat the crap out of each other
Kibito-shin: “Even though they’re clashing together such powerful attacks, they’re not generating any universe-destroying vibrations!? Why?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Can’t you tell? Probably because it’s just a fight.”
Significance: Well, that’s a non-explanation if ever I heard one.
It happened after goku had power increase.
So the signifance here is that elder kai statement is wrong and cannot be trusted as hard evidence. He cannot even explain it well enough. :lol:
The question has been asked by you 10000000000 times and we have become very efficient.
I don't care about non canon stuffs like game, guide book, movie, etc
Spare the trouble because GT is CANON
Be quick and be done with it
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Re: Which is "Stronger"? SSG or SSGSS?

Post by Darkprince410 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:00 pm

GTX wrote: Is there even any feat? even the destruction casualty only manage todestroy few small meteorites and probably 1 small planet.

Minute: 19
Context: as Goku and Beerus continue to beat the crap out of each other
Kibito-shin: “Even though they’re clashing together such powerful attacks, they’re not generating any universe-destroying vibrations!? Why?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Can’t you tell? Probably because it’s just a fight.”
Significance: Well, that’s a non-explanation if ever I heard one.
It happened after goku had power increase.
So the signifance here is that elder kai statement is wrong and cannot be trusted as hard evidence. He cannot even explain it well enough. :lol:
You need to take into account though that, while Beerus and Goku were both actively negating the vibrations destroying the universe, Ii Shinlon would have literally no reason to avoid this. His intentions were destruction, and wasn't seeking a powerful opponent so much as just wanting to destroy everything so he wouldn't have any reason or desire to negate vibrations if he and Goku's clashes were generating them.

Besides, given the section of the Dragon Ball GT TV Special animanga pertaining to Goku's evolution through the franchise, Super Saiya-jin Vegetto alone is possibly stronger than Super Saiya-jin 4, which would mean that Ssj God Goku would be vastly more powerful than Ssj4 Goku.
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