The gap between SSJ3 Gotenks & Mystic Gohan

[Hitiro]

I think you cant really think of ssj3 gotenks as a 8x power increase from ssj1,it doesn't add up with the anime or manga,because ssj1 gotenks>base super buu. the daizenshuus just made up numbers. also gotenks may not even have a ssj2 form.

Where are you getting SSJ Gotenks>Base Evil Boo? I think you need to go back and check the chapters. Evil Boo was dominating the fight against SSJ Gotenks. And he was just toying with him too. The only damage Gotenks got off was the headbutt, which arguably took Boo by surprise in the same way the ring beam did against SSJGSSJ Goku, and the Super Ghost Kamekaze Attack. Other than that SSJ Gotenks was shown well below Evil Boo.

[Darkprince410]

I think you cant really think of ssj3 gotenks as a 8x power increase from ssj1,it doesn't add up with the anime or manga,because ssj1 gotenks>base super buu. the daizenshuus just made up numbers. also gotenks may not even have a ssj2 form.

Regular Ssj Gotenks was never stronger than Evil Buu, so I don't know where you're coming from with that. Outside of his Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, which in itself doesn't mean too much, since even normal gunfire has been shown to do damage to him, nothing Ssj Gotenks did to Buu did any kind of damage whatsoever. In addition, it was plainly clear that Buu wasn't really trying for the majority of his battle with Gotenks, so any perceived advantage Gotenks had wasn't really there.

[buutenks]

Ughh,its pretty obvious gohan is 1.5 x stronger than ssj3 gotenks and super buu.And buutenks is 2x super buu,hence why gohan got his butt kicked.

Experience doesnt mean much in dbz,unless you r goku and let your guard down most of the time u r ok.

Its not that difficult to throw a punch and a kick you know hehe.

[Tectorman]

Gohan's better performance is due to him being stronger though. Because if we want to say he has greater experience and a more serious mindset the experience doesn't even seem to matter.

When I'm talking about experience and mindset, I'm referring to Gotenks's need for Piccolo to coach him.

Super Buu is wrecking the Lookout and it is not until Piccolo reminded him that he needed to do something about it that Gotenks thought to use the Super Donut Chain...

Which he began the stupid posing for, until Piccolo told him to forget the posing.

Fast forward to Gotenks blasting at Buu and the Earth with the Death Missile Chain, exhibiting callous disregard for collateral damage or consequences until Piccolo reminds him to hold off because of the dragonballs.

Oh, and then there's Piccolo's line of "Don't let your guard down!! He'll be desperate now!!" followed shortly by Buu headbashing Gotenks and Piccolo's line "You fool!!! Will you open your eyes?!!"

The last time I remember Gohan needing to be coached like that, he was fighting Nappa. When he confronted Super Buu, on the other hand, he got right down to business. It took the boys until right before they dropped out of SSJ3 before we saw a similar mindset (which I would rate as Gotenks: 8 (fighting at the capacity of a 7)).

If you're talking about the boys' greater degree of creativity and innocation, then I agree. Gohan's roster of techniques is very low in comparison, nor does he seem to exhibit any ability to come up with his own techniques. The Galactic Donut? The Ghost Kamikaze? I would never expect Gohan to come up with something like that.

Goten was able to pressure Gohan in a sparring match despite having less experience and a weaker power level. So if anything a Gotenks that is on par with Gohan should do better than Gohan himself.

Yeah, I tend to operate on the view that Gohan went from Cell Saga strong to massively less than that at the beginning of his training for the tournament to greater than that (but still less than his Cell Saga strength) by the tournament.

For example:
Cell Saga Gohan: 12
Begin Training Gohan: 4
Begin Training Goten: 3
Tournament Gohan: 11
Tournament Goten: 4

So I don't see Goten's performance against Gohan at the beginning of their training as indicative of anything other than how far Gohan had fallen. Not that I take that scene too seriously anyway. Gohan barely dodged Goten's rock, but I'm not remotely tempted to entertain "SSJ Gohan = Base Goten".

Especially having the combined experience of both the children who could pressure both Gohan and Vegeta.

Back in the Saiyan Saga, Krillin was comparable to Raditz, and Nappa (keeping his head) was comparable to Goku sans Kaioken. Krillin managed to land a hit on him in a manner comparable to Trunks's one hit on Vegeta. So I just don't see the need to estimate Trunks as close to his father based on his one hit and his weathering Vegeta's accidental reaction hit.

In fact, their combined experience should rival Gohan's. We also have Goten saying that Gohan is stronger than Gotenks. Trunks also agrees.

I've responded to Goten and Trunks's statements above.

We also have Boo stating that he can't have anyone stronger than himself. This was only an issue when Gohan showed up. So Gotenks is either on par with Boo here or below him.

No, Buu never said the same of Gotenks. But why? Was he the same strength, and so he had no need to make such a statement?

Or was he weaker than Gotenks as well, but because of his plot to use Gotenks's power to augment his own against this other fighter out there (Gohan, though Buu didn't know specifically who yet), he couldn't afford to take an attitude of trying to kill Gotenks?

The story allows both, and you can take whichever explanation you want. I take the latter.

Frankly I believe that Gotenks is on par with him with the advantage that he has better Ki techniques. Like the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack does ridiculous damage despite SSJ Gotenks being around 8x weaker than Boo.

And I get that you think that. Based on what you're paying attention to, what you emphasize, and the importance and interpretations you're applying, it makes perfect sense. And I'm just placing emphasis and interpretations on different parts of the story. Which makes the dismissiveness below all the more unwelcoming.

This assumes that all instances of absorption are equally power-boosting. If that were the case, then why do we not have Fat Buu (Grand Supreme Kai + South Supreme Kai absorbed) > Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed) > Kid Buu? I don't hold that absorption is predictable or even always a boost, so I have no problem with Buu gaining a boost out of absorbing one Kai, but diminishing in fighting capability upon absorbing two Kais. I equally have no problem with Buu absorbing one guy who has X strength from one set of resources (SSJ3 + Fusion) and getting one amount of boost and then Buu absorbs another guy, also at X strength but from a different set of resources (Elder Supreme Kai potential unlock), and getting a way different amount of boost. You're assuming absorption has no weird interactions; I'm not.

That is such a ridiculous assumption to make. We KNOW why Dai Kaioshin wasn't a straight addition, because he was a unique case that weakend Boo and it was EXPLAINED that he weakened Boo.

It's much safer to assume it doesn't have weird, unmentioned interactions than to assume that it does. Especially when there's nothing to hint that, you just need it to be that way to be able to argue away the evidence.

We've got multiple statements that Gohan was stronger than Gotenks, and a statement that Gohan gives a bigger boost of raw power to Boo. These go together much better than saying the first statements are wrong and Gohan's boost comes from some completely unknown, unmentioned factor. What do you think Toriyama would have been intending to achieve by writing that way? It doesn't make any sense.

Boo even mentions adding people's power to his own, it's safer to assume it works like addition than anything we don't have proof for.

Really, your stance is something that doesn't have anything to support, you're just finding ways to argue against the evidence that supports the opposite. But I don't see any reason to actually believe in that.

The thread asked various posters what their impressions of the difference between Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks. Other posters gave theirs; I gave mine. Faced with questions of why I thought the way I thought, how I came to the conclusion I did, and how I account for various elements that seem to suggest otherwise, I did my best to clarify my position. At this point, I think I've explained myself as best I can, and the only point of contention remaining is that other posters just aren't willing to view those various elements the same way I am.

And that's fine. If you aren't inclined to place the same emphasis and apply the same interpretations, then you won't get the same conclusion. I get that. But that still places exactly zero impetus on me to change my views. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me; I'm presenting and clarifying my view, same as everyone here (unless I misread the OP and this thread was actually "Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks; explain why you agree"). So take it for what you will; I'm doing likewise.

But I don't get (nor do I appreciate) your need to bully a change of mind out of me. Why do you need it? What's the point of this browbeating you're trying to do? Why take this offense you seem to be taking at, what?, my unmitigated gall to dare to disagree with you? What, exactly, is my compulsion to knuckle under to any of this?

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I think you cant really think of ssj3 gotenks as a 8x power increase from ssj1,it doesn't add up with the anime or manga,because ssj1 gotenks>base super buu. the daizenshuus just made up numbers. also gotenks may not even have a ssj2 form.

Where are you getting SSJ Gotenks>Base Evil Boo? I think you need to go back and check the chapters. Evil Boo was dominating the fight against SSJ Gotenks. And he was just toying with him too. The only damage Gotenks got off was the headbutt, which arguably took Boo by surprise in the same way the ring beam did against SSJGSSJ Goku, and the Super Ghost Kamekaze Attack. Other than that SSJ Gotenks was shown well below Evil Boo.

Gotenks ssj would have won if buu couldn't heal-thus gotenks is stronger.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think you cant really think of ssj3 gotenks as a 8x power increase from ssj1,it doesn't add up with the anime or manga,because ssj1 gotenks>base super buu. the daizenshuus just made up numbers. also gotenks may not even have a ssj2 form.

Where are you getting SSJ Gotenks>Base Evil Boo? I think you need to go back and check the chapters. Evil Boo was dominating the fight against SSJ Gotenks. And he was just toying with him too. The only damage Gotenks got off was the headbutt, which arguably took Boo by surprise in the same way the ring beam did against SSJGSSJ Goku, and the Super Ghost Kamekaze Attack. Other than that SSJ Gotenks was shown well below Evil Boo.

Gotenks ssj would have won if buu couldn't heal-thus gotenks is stronger.

So Vegeta was stronger than Perfect Cell?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Yeah, I tend to operate on the view that Gohan went from Cell Saga strong to massively less than that at the beginning of his training for the tournament to greater than that (but still less than his Cell Saga strength) by the tournament.

For example:
Cell Saga Gohan: 12
Begin Training Gohan: 4
Begin Training Goten: 3
Tournament Gohan: 11
Tournament Goten: 4

I'm sorry, but why would Gohan fear being outstripped by Goten if his growth rate is massively higher than Goten's? And how could Gohan possibly make such incredible gains in a month of standard mountain training?

Gohan barely dodged Goten's rock, but I'm not remotely tempted to entertain "SSJ Gohan = Base Goten".

Gohan was not at full power and severely underestimated Goten.

[rereboy]

I think it was pretty significant. Gohan basically humiliated Super Buu, even though Buu had his regeneration and weird body. Gohan versus Gotenks wouldn't be much different if they went all out.

[Tectorman]

Yeah, I tend to operate on the view that Gohan went from Cell Saga strong to massively less than that at the beginning of his training for the tournament to greater than that (but still less than his Cell Saga strength) by the tournament.

For example:
Cell Saga Gohan: 12
Begin Training Gohan: 4
Begin Training Goten: 3
Tournament Gohan: 11
Tournament Goten: 4

I'm sorry, but why would Gohan fear being outstripped by Goten if his growth rate is massively higher than Goten's? And how could Gohan possibly make such incredible gains in a month of standard mountain training?

I think of it like an atrophied muscle (though admittedly, it has been a while since the last time I took Human Anatomy). As I understand it, if you have two muscles that can lift 10 lbs, but one of them is atrophied down from previously being able to lift 50, then it will be easier to rebuild that muscle back to its previous 50-lb-lifting glory compared to building the muscle that has never been able to lift 50 lbs before.

So if Gohan's situation resembles this, then he can make better gains than Goten because he's just going back to his previous strength. And his worry of being outstripped by Goten would come at the point where he starts to push past his previous upper limits. His progression would substantially lessen, and given that Goten was able to get as strong as he did by merely the age of 7, too much slacking off on Gohan's part would indeed leave him in the dust.

[Hitiro]

I think of it like an atrophied muscle (though admittedly, it has been a while since the last time I took Human Anatomy). As I understand it, if you have two muscles that can lift 10 lbs, but one of them is atrophied down from previously being able to lift 50, then it will be easier to rebuild that muscle back to its previous 50-lb-lifting glory compared to building the muscle that has never been able to lift 50 lbs before.

So if Gohan's situation resembles this, then he can make better gains than Goten because he's just going back to his previous strength. And his worry of being outstripped by Goten would come at the point where he starts to push past his previous upper limits. His progression would substantially lessen, and given that Goten was able to get as strong as he did by merely the age of 7, too much slacking off on Gohan's part would indeed leave him in the dust.

Those numbers are pretty weird considering Trunks also pressured Vegeta. Are you saying that Gohan doubled his strength is still weaker than Vegeta and Trunks is also around double Goten? Because unless Vegeta is also suffering from being rusty I highly doubt Gohan received gains like that. It is really more likely that Gohan's strength hadn't really dropped in those 7 years but he can't draw on the rage boost he had at the Cell Games. So his base and SSJ are relatively the dame. Just his SSJ2 power got smaller.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Gotenks ssj would have won if buu couldn't heal-thus gotenks is stronger.[/quote]
So Vegeta was stronger than Perfect Cell?[/quote]


A charged up attack for like 10 minutes doesn't equal every single blast gotenks made on super buu which had no more then 0.5 seconds of charging -_-

Piccolo beat raditz because he charged up power for so long.

Buu on the other hands had to heal his broke n bones and regrow his body when fighting vegeta,goku,gohan and gotenks. super buu is like ssj2.5 teir. Untill he absorbs people that is.

[Darkprince410]

Buu on the other hands had to heal his broke n bones and regrow his body when fighting vegeta,goku,gohan and gotenks. super buu is like ssj2.5 teir. Untill he absorbs people that is.

Buu has no bones whatsoever, and his ease of taking damage isn't any real indicator of his strength. Otherwise, you could say he's weaker than Dragon Ball era Goku because normal machine gun fire was able to penetrate his body, whereas it couldn't penetrate Goku's skin. And it wasn't a matter of Buu being suppressed to low levels of power either, as Piccolo established at the same time that he was even stronger than Fat Buu was. Buu's body is pliable and easy to damage, but unless his ki is being erased or otherwise being depleted, then damage being dealt to his body is irrelevant. One could blow holes in him or blow him apart all they want, but if they're not causing his ki to budge, then they're not going to be able to kill him.

Just because Ssj Gotenks could cause Buu to be damaged in a way that required him to regenerate doesn't mean anything, as it's clearly pointed out later that Ssj3 Gotenks (vastly stronger than Ssj Gotenks) is basically on par with Evil Buu.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Buu on the other hands had to heal his broke n bones and regrow his body when fighting vegeta,goku,gohan and gotenks. super buu is like ssj2.5 teir. Untill he absorbs people that is.

Buu has no bones whatsoever, and his ease of taking damage isn't any real indicator of his strength. Otherwise, you could say he's weaker than Dragon Ball era Goku because normal machine gun fire was able to penetrate his body, whereas it couldn't penetrate Goku's skin. And it wasn't a matter of Buu being suppressed to low levels of power either, as Piccolo established at the same time that he was even stronger than Fat Buu was. Buu's body is pliable and easy to damage, but unless his ki is being erased or otherwise being depleted, then damage being dealt to his body is irrelevant. One could blow holes in him or blow him apart all they want, but if they're not causing his ki to budge, then they're not going to be able to kill him.

Just because Ssj Gotenks could cause Buu to be damaged in a way that required him to regenerate doesn't mean anything, as it's clearly pointed out later that Ssj3 Gotenks (vastly stronger than Ssj Gotenks) is basically on par with Evil Buu.

1. Buu does have bones. How else would he crack his neck and knuckles?

2. He was suppressed or just grabbing the bullets with his body a bit,he's masochistic.

3. Piccolo only had sensed a surpassed fat buu,super buu base is good buu+evil buu,just like fat buu.

4. You act like being at full power when freshly transformed means he couldn't suppress himself before he was shot.

5 if his body is so weak as to where bulelts actually CAN hurt him when not surpressed then how in the hell would base gotenks not make a scratch on him? Do you think guns>>>>base gotenks post ROSAT?

6. since when was it established they're even? Gotenks is no martial artist,buu used cheap tactics and yet...EVEN WHILE TOYING AROUND gotenks owned buu and made him HAVE TO HEAL countless times. Countless times! and in the last few seconds of being ssj3 he almost killed buu with ease when he stopped holding back so much. You hype up buu WAY to much.

[Hitiro]

1. Buu does have bones. How else would he crack his neck and knuckles?

When does he ever crack his neck or knuckles? He certainly doesn't in the manga.

2. He was suppressed or just grabbing the bullets with his body a bit,he's masochistic.

He wasn't suppressed because Piccolo was taken back by how much his Ki had changed for the worse.

4. You act like being at full power when freshly transformed means he couldn't suppress himself before he was shot.

Piccolo was shocked during the shooting scene. So he couldn't have been suppressed at this point. There would be no reason for Piccolo to linger with this expression if Boo had dropped his Ki.

5 if his body is so weak as to where bulelts actually CAN hurt him when not surpressed then how in the hell would base gotenks not make a scratch on him? Do you think guns>>>>base gotenks post ROSAT?

Bullets are different from punches. Bullets have a piercing quality. If you shot a punching bag then the bullet will easily pass through it. But if you punch a punching bag the hit is absorbed. Boo is more susceptible to piercing shots than he is with punches.

6. since when was it established they're even? Gotenks is no martial artist,buu used cheap tactics and yet...EVEN WHILE TOYING AROUND gotenks owned buu and made him HAVE TO HEAL countless times. Countless times! and in the last few seconds of being ssj3 he almost killed buu with ease when he stopped holding back so much. You hype up buu WAY to much.

Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him
Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”

Piccolo suggests that SSJ3 Gotenks is at least on par with Evil Boo. And Boo makes the point that Gohan is stronger than him and he can't have that.

Chapter: 498 (DBZ 304), P2.3-4
Boo: “Far, far, waa~~aay far away, I felt a strong power…I won’t allow anyone to have a power stronger than mine…”

Both of these statements suggest that SSJ3 Gotenks is on par with Evil Boo or maybe a little weaker as Boo only see's Gohan as a threat and more powerful than him.

[Darkprince410]

1. Buu does have bones. How else would he crack his neck and knuckles?

2. He was suppressed or just grabbing the bullets with his body a bit,he's masochistic.

3. Piccolo only had sensed a surpassed fat buu,super buu base is good buu+evil buu,just like fat buu.

4. You act like being at full power when freshly transformed means he couldn't suppress himself before he was shot.

5 if his body is so weak as to where bulelts actually CAN hurt him when not surpressed then how in the hell would base gotenks not make a scratch on him? Do you think guns>>>>base gotenks post ROSAT?

6. since when was it established they're even? Gotenks is no martial artist,buu used cheap tactics and yet...EVEN WHILE TOYING AROUND gotenks owned buu and made him HAVE TO HEAL countless times. Countless times! and in the last few seconds of being ssj3 he almost killed buu with ease when he stopped holding back so much. You hype up buu WAY to much.

1) All that "neck cracking" entails is the popping of air bubbles between the joints. In Buu's case though, since he has no bones, it can be attributed to just air getting caught within his "flesh". It's like forming an air bubble inside some silly putty, and then popping it.

2) Nothing was indicated that he was suppressed at the time, and given that, as said, Piccolo established that Evil Buu was stronger than Fat Buu at the exact same time that all this is going on, so it wouldn't make sense for Piccolo to be able to make this statement if Evil Buu was suppressed to such drastic levels, as you're suggesting.

3) He sensed what would have essentially been Fat Buu's limits in terms of power, which was right before he expelled the Pure Evil Buu, as that was the height of his rage. Besides, again, as said, this was Piccolo saying that Evil Buu was stronger at the same time that Evil Buu was being shot, meaning that he wasn't actually suppressed, or at least nowhere near as low as you're indicating.

4) See #2 and #3

5) Because Buu can choose how pliable he wants to make his body, and blunt impacts aren't the same as piercing ones. He had no qualms or concerns about Ssj Gotenks' Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack when they were used on him, as he casually just sat around with a drink and a comic after having regenerated from the damage from their first use against him, even though he was left a blobby mess for a good while.

For more evidence that Buu can be injured or have holes blown in him by people weaker than him, we have these moments.

A heavily weakened Dabra effortlessly throwing a spear through Fat Buu's body.

Spoiler:

Ssj2 Vegeta and Mr. Buu both easily blowing part of Pure Buu away.

Spoiler:

Besides, when it came to Evil Buu and Gotenks' Super Ghosts, both times that he did get damaged by them, he was caught off guard. The first time, he had no idea of the nature of the ghosts, in that they detonate upon impact. So he chopped at the one, not realizing until it was too late that doing so caused it to explode. The second time, the ghosts played on his naivety and stupidity and lured him over next to them by pretending something was on the floor, then jumped him before he realized what was going on.

There's no telling what would have happened to Buu if he took a hit from a Super Ghost explosion while prepared for it.

6) Piccolo's comment on the subject.

Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”

If Ssj Gotenks was already stronger than Evil Buu, as you're claiming, then why would it not be until Gotenks was fighting him as a Super Saiya-jin 3 for Piccolo to comment that Gotenks is simply "at least on par" with him?

Additionally, in relation to Evil Buu being "nearly killed" by Ssj3 Gotenks right before he fell out of Ssj3, Buu suggests later that he was intentionally taking his time with the fight because he could sense Gohan's new strength and knew Gohan would be coming down.

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

As you see here, he's talking about when he was fighting against Ssj3 Gotenks, but he senses Gohan and determines he's someone that might be stronger than he (Buu) is, so he came about a strategy for dealing with Gohan should he arrive. His statement indicates he didn't consider Ssj3 Gotenks stronger than him, which would support that his "defeated" state right before Gotenks fell out of Ssj3 was simply a ploy on his part. He faked how severely injured he was, knowing he could easily regenerate from it, just to drag the battle out longer, while at the same time not injuring Gotenks so that he'd be fresh and at full strength when he absorbed him.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

1. Buu does have bones. How else would he crack his neck and knuckles?

2. He was suppressed or just grabbing the bullets with his body a bit,he's masochistic.

3. Piccolo only had sensed a surpassed fat buu,super buu base is good buu+evil buu,just like fat buu.

4. You act like being at full power when freshly transformed means he couldn't suppress himself before he was shot.

5 if his body is so weak as to where bulelts actually CAN hurt him when not surpressed then how in the hell would base gotenks not make a scratch on him? Do you think guns>>>>base gotenks post ROSAT?

6. since when was it established they're even? Gotenks is no martial artist,buu used cheap tactics and yet...EVEN WHILE TOYING AROUND gotenks owned buu and made him HAVE TO HEAL countless times. Countless times! and in the last few seconds of being ssj3 he almost killed buu with ease when he stopped holding back so much. You hype up buu WAY to much.

1) All that "neck cracking" entails is the popping of air bubbles between the joints. In Buu's case though, since he has no bones, it can be attributed to just air getting caught within his "flesh". It's like forming an air bubble inside some silly putty, and then popping it.

2) Nothing was indicated that he was suppressed at the time, and given that, as said, Piccolo established that Evil Buu was stronger than Fat Buu at the exact same time that all this is going on, so it wouldn't make sense for Piccolo to be able to make this statement if Evil Buu was suppressed to such drastic levels, as you're suggesting.

3) He sensed what would have essentially been Fat Buu's limits in terms of power, which was right before he expelled the Pure Evil Buu, as that was the height of his rage. Besides, again, as said, this was Piccolo saying that Evil Buu was stronger at the same time that Evil Buu was being shot, meaning that he wasn't actually suppressed, or at least nowhere near as low as you're indicating.

4) See #2 and #3

5) Because Buu can choose how pliable he wants to make his body, and blunt impacts aren't the same as piercing ones. He had no qualms or concerns about Ssj Gotenks' Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack when they were used on him, as he casually just sat around with a drink and a comic after having regenerated from the damage from their first use against him, even though he was left a blobby mess for a good while.

For more evidence that Buu can be injured or have holes blown in him by people weaker than him, we have these moments.

A heavily weakened Dabra effortlessly throwing a spear through Fat Buu's body.

Spoiler:

Ssj2 Vegeta and Mr. Buu both easily blowing part of Pure Buu away.

Spoiler:

Besides, when it came to Evil Buu and Gotenks' Super Ghosts, both times that he did get damaged by them, he was caught off guard. The first time, he had no idea of the nature of the ghosts, in that they detonate upon impact. So he chopped at the one, not realizing until it was too late that doing so caused it to explode. The second time, the ghosts played on his naivety and stupidity and lured him over next to them by pretending something was on the floor, then jumped him before he realized what was going on.

There's no telling what would have happened to Buu if he took a hit from a Super Ghost explosion while prepared for it.

6) Piccolo's comment on the subject.

Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”

If Ssj Gotenks was already stronger than Evil Buu, as you're claiming, then why would it not be until Gotenks was fighting him as a Super Saiya-jin 3 for Piccolo to comment that Gotenks is simply "at least on par" with him?

Additionally, in relation to Evil Buu being "nearly killed" by Ssj3 Gotenks right before he fell out of Ssj3, Buu suggests later that he was intentionally taking his time with the fight because he could sense Gohan's new strength and knew Gohan would be coming down.

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

As you see here, he's talking about when he was fighting against Ssj3 Gotenks, but he senses Gohan and determines he's someone that might be stronger than he (Buu) is, so he came about a strategy for dealing with Gohan should he arrive. His statement indicates he didn't consider Ssj3 Gotenks stronger than him, which would support that his "defeated" state right before Gotenks fell out of Ssj3 was simply a ploy on his part. He faked how severely injured he was, knowing he could easily regenerate from it, just to drag the battle out longer, while at the same time not injuring Gotenks so that he'd be fresh and at full strength when he absorbed him.

I'm sorry but none of that really makes sense,Piccolo made the comment when buu was raging,he didn't rage as ssj1...why would he make it back when he was ssj1 then? SSj1 and ssj3 gotenks are the same person,not different people.
Vegeta>kid buu
and dabura was using his spear on buu,i don't get how that proves your point that buu is weak body wise. also gotenks was clearly about to beat super buu, buu woudltn know the fusion was about to run out and save his ass. And gotenks took a lot of damage,thats why he got pissed and did that epic combo at the end out of rage.
a lot of what you're saying does add up or fit with the show at all man.
Look at evil buu,he didn't have damage from the pistol,why? Because he wasn't toying with the gunman,he was getting shit done quickly. With the fat one he was beign sadistic and too damage to toy with him and then kill him BRUTALLY. Buu doesn't consider gotenks a contender because all he has to do is eat or absorb him,and he doesn't last as stronger then buu for more then 30 minutes. In fact he cant even hold ssj3 for 30 minutes,he go back to base which is below super buu.

and super buu =fat buu. nobody could properly snese fat buu,its been established for a while it's energy is strange and feels empty and ect. Plus even buutenks is below SSj3 goku so his quote doesn't mean anything. Vegeta and goku are above buutenks so even then he isn't the strongest,and then there's vegito!

[Darkprince410]

I'm sorry but none of that really makes sense,Piccolo made the comment when buu was raging,he didn't rage as ssj1...why would he make it back when he was ssj1 then? SSj1 and ssj3 gotenks are the same person,not different people.
Vegeta>kid buu
and dabura was using his spear on buu,i don't get how that proves your point that buu is weak body wise. also gotenks was clearly about to beat super buu, buu woudltn know the fusion was about to run out and save his ass. And gotenks took a lot of damage,thats why he got pissed and did that epic combo at the end out of rage.
a lot of what you're saying does add up or fit with the show at all man.
Look at evil buu,he didn't have damage from the pistol,why? Because he wasn't toying with the gunman,he was getting shit done quickly. With the fat one he was beign sadistic and too damage to toy with him and then kill him BRUTALLY. Buu doesn't consider gotenks a contender because all he has to do is eat or absorb him,and he doesn't last as stronger then buu for more then 30 minutes. In fact he cant even hold ssj3 for 30 minutes,he go back to base which is below super buu.

and super buu =fat buu. nobody could properly snese fat buu,its been established for a while it's energy is strange and feels empty and ect. Plus even buutenks is below SSj3 goku so his quote doesn't mean anything. Vegeta and goku are above buutenks so even then he isn't the strongest,and then there's vegito!

1) Buu wasn't raging at all at the time he said that about Gotenks being at least on par with him. At the time, he had just been pummeled and beaten into the ground by Gotenks' Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles, and when he came out, he was "angry", but not raging. And again, if Ssj Gotenks was stronger than Buu, as you're claiming, and Ssj3 Gotenks is vastly stronger than Ssj Gotenks, then why would it be that Piccolo is just now saying that Gotenks is around par with Buu in terms of strength?

2) What? Vegeta is far, far weaker than Pure Buu in terms of power. Goku was only able to fight evenly with him in his Ssj3 form, and Vegeta got pummeled and decimated by Buu, and he even stated beforehand that Goku was the only one of them (Goku and Vegeta) that was capable of fighting him. If Vegeta were stronger than Pure Buu, then he wouldn't have been on the verge of being killed had Mr. Satan not distracted him.

3) Just because Buu looked like he was on the verge of being killed doesn't mean he actually was. It simply means he intentionally held off regenerating for awhile to drag it out. He did know, thanks to Gotenks' boasts, that Gotenks only had a very brief time left in the transformation, so he knew he wouldn't need to stall for time for very long. Besides, as Buu himself established, Ssj3 Gotenks wasn't stronger than he was at the time, as he considered Gohan the only individual stronger.

4) Gotenks Buu was not weaker than Ssj3 Goku. Where are you getting that he was weaker than Ssj3 Goku from? Base Evil Buu was established by Goku as being more powerful than he was, and Gotenks Buu was vastly stronger than that. Rou Kaioushin even outright stated that Goku and Gohan, fighting together, wouldn't be able to beat Gotenks Buu, which is why the Potara earrings were suggested in the first place. If the two of them couldn't beat Gotenks Buu together, then Goku, who was a good deal weaker than Gohan at the time, wouldn't have stood a chance.

Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

As for Fat Buu and Evil Buu being the same strength. No. Even though they're made up of the same parts, Evil Buu's strength wasn't suppressed much at all by the Dai Kaioushin's presence within him, whereas Fat Buu's was more greatly so. And no, the whole "difficulty sensing his power" stuff wasn't in the manga. When he expressed his power, it was easy to be sensed, and between the maximum strength sensed from Fat Buu and the first, non-powered up strength sensed from Evil Buu, it was clearly indicated that Evil Buu was the more powerful.

[Tectorman]

Those numbers are pretty weird considering Trunks also pressured Vegeta. Are you saying that Gohan doubled his strength is still weaker than Vegeta and Trunks is also around double Goten? Because unless Vegeta is also suffering from being rusty I highly doubt Gohan received gains like that. It is really more likely that Gohan's strength hadn't really dropped in those 7 years but he can't draw on the rage boost he had at the Cell Games. So his base and SSJ are relatively the dame. Just his SSJ2 power got smaller.

No, I just don't consider Trunks landing all of one hit (heck, not even that, all he did was clip Vegeta's chin) and withstanding one accidental reaction hit to be "pressuring Vegeta" in the first place. As I noted above, we see about the same performance out of Krillin when he was fighting Nappa, and we know approximately how big that gap was.

Although I'm only using these numbers off the top of my head to illustrate my point, as far as Vegeta and Trunks are concerned, I'd put them at:

Begin Training Vegeta: 11
Begin Training Trunks: 3.5
Tournament Vegeta: 13
Tournament Trunks: 4.5

[Hitiro]

Those numbers are pretty weird considering Trunks also pressured Vegeta. Are you saying that Gohan doubled his strength is still weaker than Vegeta and Trunks is also around double Goten? Because unless Vegeta is also suffering from being rusty I highly doubt Gohan received gains like that. It is really more likely that Gohan's strength hadn't really dropped in those 7 years but he can't draw on the rage boost he had at the Cell Games. So his base and SSJ are relatively the dame. Just his SSJ2 power got smaller.

No, I just don't consider Trunks landing all of one hit (heck, not even that, all he did was clip Vegeta's chin) and withstanding one accidental reaction hit to be "pressuring Vegeta" in the first place. As I noted above, we see about the same performance out of Krillin when he was fighting Nappa, and we know approximately how big that gap was.

Although I'm only using these numbers off the top of my head to illustrate my point, as far as Vegeta and Trunks are concerned, I'd put them at:

Begin Training Vegeta: 11
Begin Training Trunks: 3.5
Tournament Vegeta: 13
Tournament Trunks: 4.5

Kuririn couldn't even do damage to Nappa during that fight apart from with the Kienzan. And the only time he could land a hit was with Nappa being distracted. Even if it was a scratch from Trunks it was clear that it did something and Trunks was able to actually hit Vegeta while Vegeta was prepared. So no, I would definitely not place Trunks as more than twice as weak as Vegeta. Characters have been shown to utterly decimate others with a mere gap of 25% Trunks is definitely not within this gap. A good example of this gap is Kui against Vegeta. If there was this much of a difference between them Vegeta would be casually dodging every blow thrown at him just by swaying. The Namek arc is a perfect example of this. The Ginyu Force, all being around 40,000, were toyed with by Goku who was 90,000 at the time. Even Ginyu says that Goku would only need a battle power of 60,000 to do this.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I'm sorry but none of that really makes sense,Piccolo made the comment when buu was raging,he didn't rage as ssj1...why would he make it back when he was ssj1 then? SSj1 and ssj3 gotenks are the same person,not different people.
Vegeta>kid buu
and dabura was using his spear on buu,i don't get how that proves your point that buu is weak body wise. also gotenks was clearly about to beat super buu, buu woudltn know the fusion was about to run out and save his ass. And gotenks took a lot of damage,thats why he got pissed and did that epic combo at the end out of rage.
a lot of what you're saying does add up or fit with the show at all man.
Look at evil buu,he didn't have damage from the pistol,why? Because he wasn't toying with the gunman,he was getting shit done quickly. With the fat one he was beign sadistic and too damage to toy with him and then kill him BRUTALLY. Buu doesn't consider gotenks a contender because all he has to do is eat or absorb him,and he doesn't last as stronger then buu for more then 30 minutes. In fact he cant even hold ssj3 for 30 minutes,he go back to base which is below super buu.

and super buu =fat buu. nobody could properly snese fat buu,its been established for a while it's energy is strange and feels empty and ect. Plus even buutenks is below SSj3 goku so his quote doesn't mean anything. Vegeta and goku are above buutenks so even then he isn't the strongest,and then there's vegito!

1) Buu wasn't raging at all at the time he said that about Gotenks being at least on par with him. At the time, he had just been pummeled and beaten into the ground by Gotenks' Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles, and when he came out, he was "angry", but not raging. And again, if Ssj Gotenks was stronger than Buu, as you're claiming, and Ssj3 Gotenks is vastly stronger than Ssj Gotenks, then why would it be that Piccolo is just now saying that Gotenks is around par with Buu in terms of strength?

2) What? Vegeta is far, far weaker than Pure Buu in terms of power. Goku was only able to fight evenly with him in his Ssj3 form, and Vegeta got pummeled and decimated by Buu, and he even stated beforehand that Goku was the only one of them (Goku and Vegeta) that was capable of fighting him. If Vegeta were stronger than Pure Buu, then he wouldn't have been on the verge of being killed had Mr. Satan not distracted him.

3) Just because Buu looked like he was on the verge of being killed doesn't mean he actually was. It simply means he intentionally held off regenerating for awhile to drag it out. He did know, thanks to Gotenks' boasts, that Gotenks only had a very brief time left in the transformation, so he knew he wouldn't need to stall for time for very long. Besides, as Buu himself established, Ssj3 Gotenks wasn't stronger than he was at the time, as he considered Gohan the only individual stronger.

4) Gotenks Buu was not weaker than Ssj3 Goku. Where are you getting that he was weaker than Ssj3 Goku from? Base Evil Buu was established by Goku as being more powerful than he was, and Gotenks Buu was vastly stronger than that. Rou Kaioushin even outright stated that Goku and Gohan, fighting together, wouldn't be able to beat Gotenks Buu, which is why the Potara earrings were suggested in the first place. If the two of them couldn't beat Gotenks Buu together, then Goku, who was a good deal weaker than Gohan at the time, wouldn't have stood a chance.

Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”

As for Fat Buu and Evil Buu being the same strength. No. Even though they're made up of the same parts, Evil Buu's strength wasn't suppressed much at all by the Dai Kaioushin's presence within him, whereas Fat Buu's was more greatly so. And no, the whole "difficulty sensing his power" stuff wasn't in the manga. When he expressed his power, it was easy to be sensed, and between the maximum strength sensed from Fat Buu and the first, non-powered up strength sensed from Evil Buu, it was clearly indicated that Evil Buu was the more powerful.

Facts>>>quotes. Toriyama's writing got really bad in the buu arc, even in super the lines don't match up with the actual power scaling it never has 2 examples

A) Vegeta-I"M THE STROGNEST IN THE UNIVERSE! (that was during his first fight with goku when he knew about ginyu and company)

B) Whis-You're always 1 step behind Goku,do you know why that is? (Vegeta doesn't deny this so by your logic of quotes,which I get why you put so much weight on....but by that logic man Vegeta is BELWO goku in episode 20....yet in episode 19,jsut 1 episode b4 hand he was shown stronger......and then I nepisode 21 Vegeta is shown stronger then Goku.....) So clearly what people say doesn't hold any weight. It's what they do. If you go by dialogue then GOKU>>>>vegeta but by the logic of what's the characters are doing and the facts then- VEGETA>>>Goku to many arrows I know but you get my point. There's evidence for both sides but that's thanks to bad writing,Goku roflstomps buuhan In terms of power. BUt buu is well buu.....and the writing is bad so yeah....