Dragon Ball Super ROF arc - Your thoughts?!

[TheMikado]

Hmm if you all hate it so much why do you continue watching it?

Because I'm interested in what happens to some of my favorite characters in their new adventure. Doesn't mean I have to like what happens at all.

Lol the tournament arc is what is saving super right now, stop hating.

I'm not hating on the tournament arc and genuinely interested in what happens next, this is actually the most attentive I've been to the series since it started. Not liking certain aspects like Frost/Frieza rehash or Powering Piccolo up significantly only have him lose anyway (not even lose, forfeit while Goku comes back. Seriously when has Piccolo ever been a quitter who takes the L or an easy way out.) Hoping Cabba and planet Salad are cool as Saiyans from universe 6 were interesting as they said he had never heard of SSJ. Personally very disappointed that Cabba learned about SSJ an hour ago and apparently is about to become one in the next episode. Feeling like how they have been treating the Champa arc so far, theres a good chance they will mess up that Cabba opportunity too. So Super had a ton or interesting premises and ideas, especially in this Champa arc but they are literally getting squandered one after the other and I keep hoping each new concept will be a turning point for Super to have and interesting story.

Anyway RoF was the worse and many others feel the same.

[Kuririn Fan]

RoF arc still had some great episodes (15-18) and final one was really good (27). It's the worst arc in Super so far, yes, but it's still better than GT.

[pacz360]

RoF arc still had some great episodes (15-18) and final one was really good (27). It's the worst arc in Super so far, yes, but it's still better than GT.

Not really no but whatever it your opinion.

[HybridSaiyan]

Literally one of the worst arc of the franchise! Seriously it was practically the super 17 arc of super. It was poor adaption of a shit movie that had no reason to exist whatsoever I thank god we're free from this shit

At least the Super 17 arc had well animated fight scenes. Nowadays they can't even animate a punch making contact with the face.

[Kuririn Fan]

RoF arc still had some great episodes (15-18) and final one was really good (27). It's the worst arc in Super so far, yes, but it's still better than GT.

Not really no but whatever it your opinion.

Well of course it's my opinion, that goes without saying lol.
GT is fucking garbage and that opinion is popular, as far as i know.

[TheMikado]

RoF arc still had some great episodes (15-18) and final one was really good (27). It's the worst arc in Super so far, yes, but it's still better than GT.

Not really no but whatever it your opinion.

Well of course it's my opinion, that goes without saying lol.
GT is fucking garbage and that opinion is popular, as far as i know.

Not nearly as popular anymore especially when compared with Super. this thread alone is proof positive of that

[Kuririn Fan]

Super is still faaaaaar more accepted than GT.

[Overlord78]

ROF both the movie and arc are terrible in my opinion. The arc could have solved some of the problems of the movie but it didn't. It is by far the worst arc of Super, I didn't really have a lot of problems with the BOG arc besides episode 5 and stupid moments such as Oolong vs Beerus but I at least enjoyed it more than ROF.

It's definitely one of the worst arcs in the entire franchise to me.

[shadowmaria]

I'm currently up to date with Super, and currently rewatching DBZ.

I won't draw comparisons, but the Otherworld Tournament is far more poorly paced than the Universe 6+7 Tournament.

Still enjoyable because there's a lot more competitors, but the fights are much better in Super

[Duo]

Super is still faaaaaar more accepted than GT.

For now. Basically nobody here was able to follow GT ongoing at the time. I imagine it would have a much different experience for everybody had the context been different. Time will offer clarity on all of this.

[Kuririn Fan]

Super is still faaaaaar more accepted than GT.

For now. Basically nobody here was able to follow GT ongoing at the time. I imagine it would have a much different experience for everybody had the context been different. Time will offer clarity on all of this.

GT doesnt have Toriyama involved and is of very poor quality. People can see that.

[TheMikado]

Super is still faaaaaar more accepted than GT.

For now. Basically nobody here was able to follow GT ongoing at the time. I imagine it would have a much different experience for everybody had the context been different. Time will offer clarity on all of this.

GT doesnt have Toriyama involved and is of very poor quality. People can see that.

Most evidence is pointing to same levels of involvement for both series. In fact if we were to use the credits as evidence GT would be considered to have more influence of Toriyama.

Akira Toriyama is credited as author in the ending credits of Dragon Ball GT; he oversaw the series' production, this was the same process that was used during the production of the anime series Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. He drew a rough design for the GT logo, he designed the GT appearance of the series main cast, and he designed the appearances of Giru and the GT spaceship used in the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga. He also drew at least three color pictures of Goku, Pan, and Trunks adventuring on various planets (Monmaasu, Rudeeze, and an area in Hell).

Toriyama seems to have positive feelings towards his works' continuation, as he drew his own version of Super Saiyan 4 Goku (which was originally designed by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru) exclusively for the Dragon Box GT. Characters and events from GT have also been included in more recent Dragon Ball video games.

[Kuririn Fan]

Toriyamas name is on EVERYTHING Dragon Ball related, but we know that he wrote the movies that are in Super and this new arc.
He did some designs for GT and thats it.

[TheMikado]

Toriyamas name is on EVERYTHING Dragon Ball related, but we know that he wrote the movies that are in Super and this new arc.
He did some designs for GT and thats it.

Toriyama wrote at least one movie, not sure about RoF but we know he was involved. This does not mean its translated to Super and we have other writer in the credits.

[Kuririn Fan]

Toriyamas name is on EVERYTHING Dragon Ball related, but we know that he wrote the movies that are in Super and this new arc.
He did some designs for GT and thats it.

Toriyama wrote at least one movie, not sure about RoF but we know he was involved. This does not mean its translated to Super and we have other writer in the credits.

He wrote both BoG and RoF. The writer is there to make episodes from Toriyamas script.

[TheMikado]

Toriyamas name is on EVERYTHING Dragon Ball related, but we know that he wrote the movies that are in Super and this new arc.
He did some designs for GT and thats it.

Toriyama wrote at least one movie, not sure about RoF but we know he was involved. This does not mean its translated to Super and we have other writer in the credits.

He wrote both BoG and RoF. The writer is there to make episodes from Toriyamas script.

That's not a script. Toriyama made an outline for Super. I can believe he primary writer for the movies but specifically for the series he is not credited as the writer no should he be. Either way, going strictly by credits he has had less involvement in Super than any and all past animated series.

[Kuririn Fan]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/production/toriyama/
Dragon Ball GT is, of course, the anime series in which Toriyama had the least involvement. In his intro to the Dragon Box GT, Toriyama explains that “For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images.”

[TheMikado]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/production/toriyama/
Dragon Ball GT is, of course, the anime series in which Toriyama had the least involvement. In his intro to the Dragon Box GT, Toriyama explains that “For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images.”

Same page:

From the start, the Jump Super Anime Tour special was promoted as being based on a story by Toriyama. In fact, the opening credits to the special credit Toriyama with the first draft, in addition to his usual credit in the openings as the creator of the original work. The actual script for the special is, however, credited as being written by Takao Koyama, the same man responsible for all of the Dragon Ball Z movie scripts. Toriyama did come up with the basis for the story, but he did not flat-out “write” the finished version. Still, this represents more involvement from Toriyama than any of the other movies had received.

Furthermore it's referencing the stories and up until this point I would say GT was the series he had the least involvement in. 2/3 of Super so far are based on movies he was involved in and he did little at the TV series production level.

[Duo]

Super is still faaaaaar more accepted than GT.

For now. Basically nobody here was able to follow GT ongoing at the time. I imagine it would have a much different experience for everybody had the context been different. Time will offer clarity on all of this.

GT doesnt have Toriyama involved and is of very poor quality. People can see that.

The 'Z' movies had the same level of involvement from Toriyama, and half of them stand among my favorite Dragon Ball stories ever put to animation. GT just turned out a lot different, for whatever reason. In ten years, people may be looking back on Super saying "That was even worse than GT!" or they might be saying "That was a lot better than we were saying at the time!". Hindsight will offer a great deal more clarity, and these things need time to digest through the community and everybody's individual fandom.

Like I said, time will tell. No need to push the issue.

[Kuririn Fan]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/production/toriyama/
Dragon Ball GT is, of course, the anime series in which Toriyama had the least involvement. In his intro to the Dragon Box GT, Toriyama explains that “For GT, all I did was just come up with the title, design the initial main cast and some of the machines, and also do a few images.”

Same page:

From the start, the Jump Super Anime Tour special was promoted as being based on a story by Toriyama. In fact, the opening credits to the special credit Toriyama with the first draft, in addition to his usual credit in the openings as the creator of the original work. The actual script for the special is, however, credited as being written by Takao Koyama, the same man responsible for all of the Dragon Ball Z movie scripts. Toriyama did come up with the basis for the story, but he did not flat-out “write” the finished version. Still, this represents more involvement from Toriyama than any of the other movies had received.

Furthermore it's referencing the stories and up until this point I would say GT was the series he had the least involvement in. 2/3 of Super so far are based on movies he was involved in and he did little at the TV series production level.

“Dragon Ball Super” is a complete continuation of the Majin Boo story arc. It’s got a bit of post-battle aftermath, continues with the “Battle of Gods” arc where the God of Destruction Beerus appears and the “Revival of ‘F'” arc where Freeza comes back to life, and then, I’ve written a strange new story where they finally depart from this universe. They’re fighting against their neighbors, Universe 6! They’ll yell at me if I give away too many spoilers, so I’ll keep the rest a secret, but they’re chasing after giant Super Dragon Balls; I think things will unfold in a bright and simple way, that will be really fun and exciting! - Toriyama
Oh course he did little at the TV series production level, what the fuck do you expect? Hes a manga artist. He is old, so he cant write the manga now, so these scripts are the second best thing. GT is garbage and he wasnt involved with its story at all.