New or Old animation

[Ajay]

I was addressing Sintzu, not you.

[MrWalnut4]

One problem I have with the new movies and super is Toei's new color palette. It doesn't bother me too much that Goku has a a darker skin tone closer to Toriyama's intentions, but it does make the continuity between Z and Super very strange. I only wish that Toei went back to the original cels to base their new palette on rather than seemingly starting from scratch (also, using shadowing for detail rather than highlighting). I would be much happier if it were something like this:

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Rather than the current palette:

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[Ajay]

The skin tone was never that colour. That's just a tone we've gotten used to due to aged film being released uncorrected. The cels themselves are pretty neutral.

I'd argue this is closer to what we saw in the Boo arc:

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Either way, I agree with the general idea.

[Bansho64]

Does anyone notice that Kuririn has been getting smaller and less muscular as the years go by? I don't know what it is but it seems like the animators make him look so much smaller nowadays. I mean just compare his Cell Arc design to his Super design.

[MrWalnut4]

The skin tone was never that colour. That's just a tone we've gotten used to due to aged film being released uncorrected. The cels themselves are pretty neutral.

I'd argue this is closer to what we saw in the Boo arc:

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Either way, I agree with the general idea.

I'm talking more about how the original cels look rather than the degraded and aged film. You're right about Vegeta there, but in almost all of the cels of Goku I have seen, that haven't been damaged, Goku has that pink skin tone. I'm pretty sure almost all the color changes I made on Goku other than his hair were eye-dropped from cel scans. Here's an example of what I mean:

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(I don't think I used this specific cel to get the colors from, but it is just a quick example I found)

[Ajay]

Yeah, it's definitely more pink than Vegeta, but yours seems suuuuuuuper red-tinted like the aged film. That's where my comment came form. Looked a little too lobstery.

[MrWalnut4]

Yeah, it's definitely more pink than Vegeta, but yours seems suuuuuuuper red-tinted like the aged film. That's where my comment came from. Looked a little too lobstery.

Yeah, looking at that cel now, I think I used a damaged cel or one that has aged when I took Goku's skin tone. It is definitely too pink, but you get the picture. Nevertheless, I do wish Super used a different palatte at least for the returning characters. However I don't have any gripes about any of the new character's palettes. I quite like the look of Whis, Vados, Beerus, and Champa to be honest.

[JulieYBM]

Does anyone notice that Kuririn has been getting smaller and less muscular as the years go by? I don't know what it is but it seems like the animators make him look so much smaller nowadays. I mean just compare his Cell Arc design to his Super design.

It's a mix of Toriyama's drawing style changing and Yamamuro Tadayoshi's animation character designs reflecting that. Besides, it makes Kuririn cuter.

[HybridSaiyan]

I'm still gutted they never decided to use the same animation they used for the 2008 Ova. I'm sure I'd have a much more positive attitude to Dragon Ball Super.

[Smilodon]

Even the best episode in super is worse than the wrost episode in any old animation....In new animation only the movie BOG is nice (even ROF isn't nice).

[SuicidalZerg]

Even the best episode in super is worse than the wrost episode in any old animation....In new animation only the movie BOG is nice (even ROF isn't nice).

I'm gonna have to disagree there. Not even Episode 5 looked as bad as this IMO:




And don't even get me started on Movie 6... Actually, too late for that I'm afraid.




Yes I know that last one is an in-between, but my point still stands. The worst in the old animation is definitely not better than the best of the new animation by any stretch of the imagination.

[Bansho64]

Vegeta's widows peak is looking strong in the first pic

[HybridSaiyan]

Even the best episode in super is worse than the wrost episode in any old animation....In new animation only the movie BOG is nice (even ROF isn't nice).

I'm gonna have to disagree there. Not even Episode 5 looked as bad as this IMO:




And don't even get me started on Movie 6... Actually, too late for that I'm afraid.




Yes I know that last one is an in-between, but my point still stands. The worst in the old animation is definitely not better than the best of the new animation by any stretch of the imagination.

You kidding right? Those two examples aren't even that bad. I'm perfectly fine with those. The movie 6 one is but it still doesn't even compare with the hideousness of these.

[KameRule]

Even the best episode in super is worse than the wrost episode in any old animation....In new animation only the movie BOG is nice (even ROF isn't nice).

I don't think we've been watching the same show.

Anyway, aside from the already heavily production scheduling issues, the over-simplified character designs and the new artstyle, I think another reason that Super is suffering is because its staff aren't working within their bounds.

Scenes that consist of mere talking, staredowns etc. are obviously much easier to animate than fight scenes, and while I'm not asking for Z-esque pacing, I think that for all of their staff and time constraints, Toei could still do well with Super if they just eased up on the pedal a little. That way, while there would be less action scenes (or at least, they would be more sparsely dispersed), the ones that do show up would be of much higher quality, and we wouldn't get as many of those painful scenes where they clearly tried to make it good, but the poor animation sucks you out of the episode.

[JulieYBM]

Bad animators are still going to be bad, even with a little extra time. They'll still need to acquire the actual skills to produce good animation if they're going to produce good animation. The screwed up scheduling has made it nearly impossible to properly plan more work for good freelancers, too, so that makes the series suffer even more.

[SuicidalZerg]

You kidding right? Those two examples aren't even that bad. I'm perfectly fine with those. The movie 6 one is but it still doesn't even compare with the hideousness of these.

Actually, yes, I am. Partially. Episode 5 is in fact the worst of the worst. However, for the Uchiyama shots, I still think those two are the worst of the worst in the old animation. Reverse two-tone pillow shading, and gigantic hair. It's about the most off-putting, child-like shading I've seen in the old animation. Other animators did two-tone pillow shading too, with the SSJ aura, but at least they managed to make it look good. Uchiyama's shading is laughable, because he extended the shaded parts so far out that it's wholly unrealistic. It's something that, as of yet, I haven't seen in Super (Granted, I am significantly behind in watching the full episodes...). It would actually look better with no shading at all.