Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

[Anime Kitten]

I'd say to give Future Mai points for heroism, but I doubt it's plot-relevant, so...
Definitely go for the manga. I don't read it (at least not yet), but this seems to be working well thus far.

Also, spoilers!
[spoiler]This Merged Zamasu thing willl undoubtedly rack up a ton of points.[/spoiler]

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I'd say to give Future Mai points for heroism, but I doubt it's plot-relevant, so...
Definitely go for the manga. I don't read it (at least not yet), but this seems to be working well thus far.

Also, spoilers!
[spoiler]This Merged Zamasu thing willl undoubtedly rack up a ton of points.[/spoiler]

You're right about Future Mai. I gave her points for the same thing the first time they went to the future. I was just a bit annoyed by this repetition, except this time she was a death door, while the first time she was just injured.
I'll definitely give her three points, she deserves it. Fighting Black is plot-relevant, even if it's off-screen.

I still have to re-watch the latest episode with subs, what's the consensus about it? Is Present Zamasu, Black? Or is he a different Zamasu from another timeline?

[Mazingerdestro]

Why don't you make a poll? Like the old times with db in shonen jump?
But yes I have to agree with the results Trunks is definitely number 1 with Black 2 for few points.

[LightBing]

Why don't you make a poll? Like the old times with db in shonen jump?
But yes I have to agree with the results Trunks is definitely number 1 with Black 2 for few points.

I prefer for people to justify their opinions and for everyone to have a discussion to reach a conclusion. A poll incurs the risk of people choosing their favourites to boost their numbers, or people having skewed views on what is relevant to the plot.
This way, we as a group evaluate the arc and share perspectives, to reach the common goal.

[Anime Kitten]

I still have to re-watch the latest episode with subs, what's the consensus about it? Is Present Zamasu, Black? Or is he a different Zamasu from another timeline?

Black is the Present Zamasu, and a theory I picked up is that he's from the main Super timeline if Future Trunks never came back, as Beerus wouldn't have killed Zamasu that way.

[Anime Kitten]

How's this been going? Is it "officially" on break or hiatus?

[LightBing]

How's this been going? Is it "officially" on break or hiatus?

No, I will finish this. Sorry for the delay and lack of updates, half the reason has been procrastination.

With all the timeline information I was waiting for the episodes to provide more information, instead of having to correct everything with each new one. So I let them run until eventually I got quite a bit behind. Since I rewatch the episodes when making this, it takes me a decent amount of time for each post.
I'll try to do one episode a day. Instead of thinking of doing them in bunches and giving up...

I'll take this chance to hear everyone's opinions. Black and Present Zamasu, should I add their points together? Fusions, should I take them a new person or divide the points for the individuals?
I plan to do another one for the upcoming Hit Arc, any suggestions for improvement? Is it worth continuing these threads? Let me know.

[Anime Kitten]

Black and Present Zamasu, should I add their points together? Fusions, should I take them a new person or divide the points for the individuals?

I plan to do another one for the upcoming Hit Arc, any suggestions for improvement? Is it worth continuing these threads?

Keep Black and Present Zamasu separate. It'd be up to you whether to combine them at the end, but I'd keep them separate as they're different versions of the same character. Add the Fusions' points separately at first, but divide them between the Fusees once you've finished the arc.

Definitely keep these going. I can't think of anything off the top of my head for you to improve on. Also, don't worry about procrastination. I do it all the time.

[kinisking]

Is this still getting updates? Edit: I guess it is. Should've read further up.

[Nejishiki]

I consider Goku Black, Future Zamasu, and Merged Zamasu separate characters. Additionally, I don't think Merged Zamasu went away after Future Trunks cut him. The universal spread still counts as the fusion, in my eyes.

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Episode #61 (#15)
Goku Black - 32 points (+2 points for appearing, + 6 points for the fight, +6 points for recruiting Future Zamasu and killing Future Gowasu, +6 points for killing all the Gods, +6 points for stealing Goku's body and killing his family, +6 points for destroying the Super Dragon Balls) *
Future Trunks - 15 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances, +6 points for the fight, +6 points for his transformation)
Future Zamasu - 14 points (+2 points for appearing, + 6 points for the fight, +6 points for destroying the Super Dragon Balls) **
Son Goku - 9 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances, +6 points for the fight)
Vegeta - 8 points (+2 points for appearing, + 6 points for the fight) *
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Future Mai - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) **
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) **
Other Chi-Chi - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Other Goten - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Future Gowasu - 1 points (+1 points for appearing)

Notes:
- Goku Black just exploded, I feel the points I gave him are justified. He is the arc! This episode just exposes all his actions, therefore the record breaking point score.
- Regarding the fight's, Goku had a bigger focus than Vegeta and Trunks. It's still part of the same conflict, I don't think he deserves a bigger score than them. I prefer to put them all under the same umbrella.
- In Dragon Ball most transformations by themselves deserve special attention. The six points I gave are skewed because of that view, even if Trunks didn't do anything with his newfound power yet; I think most people will agree with me.

Dwellings and Tendencies:
For the first time Future Trunks was dethroned. Him and Black further solidify their role as main hero and main villain of the arc, getting further ahead of third placed Goku.
Future Zamasu got a huge rise and now joins a very interesting group of character with 39/40 points.

[LightBing]

Hey people, do you still remember this thread? It's been a long time coming for me to finish this.

Ramping up to the first episode of the new arc, I will be publishing the remaining episodes until I finish this. I will drop one, maybe two episodes in a few hours to the get this started. Stay tuned!

I also want to ask if people want this thread for the Universal Tournament Arc? Obviously keeping a consistent schedule, not what I've done with the last third of this arc.
If this comes back, I think the point system can be improved or even completely revamped. In retrospective the consecutive episodes points was a bad decision, it buffs characters who should be in the relative same level as others, just because they didn't have a break.

Let me know.

[MyNiggaGoku]

Hey people, do you still remember this thread? It's been a long time coming for me to finish this.

Ramping up to the first episode of the new arc, I will be publishing the remaining episodes until I finish this. I will drop one, maybe two episodes in a few hours to the get this started. Stay tuned!

I also want to ask if people want this thread for the Universal Tournament Arc? Obviously keeping a consistent schedule, not what I've done with the last third of this arc.
If this comes back, I think the point system can be improved or even completely revamped. In retrospective the consecutive episodes points was a bad decision, it buffs characters who should be in the relative same level as others, just because they didn't have a break.

Let me know.

I definitely want this thread for the new arc,you're doing a fantastic job so far!
Also,imo Present Zamasu & Goku Black should become one character because they are the same,just with a different end game.But that's for you to decide

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Episode #62 (#16)
Future Trunks - 14 points (+2 points for appearing, +6 points for the fight, +6 points for sacrificing himself so that the others could escape) *
Son Goku - 8 points (+2 points for appearing, +6 points for learning the Mafuba) *
Master Roshi - 8 points (+2 points for appearing, +6 points for teaching the Mafuba to Goku)
Goku Black - 8 points (+2 points for appearing, +6 points for the fight) **
Future Zamasu - 6 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +3 points for the fight)
Piccolo - 5 points (+2 points for appearing, +3 points for suggesting the Mafuba)
Vegeta - 5 points (+2 points for appearing, +3 points for the fight) **
Future Mai - 3 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Future Yajirobe - 3 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) *
Beerus - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Whis - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Present Trunks - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Shu - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Pilaf - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Present Mai - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Kuririn - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Son Goten - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Chi-Chi - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Son Gohan- 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Umigame - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Present Gowasu - 2 points (+2 points for appearing)
Videl - 1 points
Pan - 1 points
Mr.Satan - 1 points
Piccolo Daimao - 1 point
Piano - 1 point

Notes:
- I gave both Vegeta and Future Zamasu less points than Goku Black and Future Trunks for the fight in this episode. To differentiate their more supportive role.
- I didn't gave any points to Umigame for helping out with the Mafuba because it was done for comedy purposes. We know from Tenshinhan learning the technique way back that such assistance isn't necessary.

[Nejishiki]

I also want to ask if people want this thread for the Universal Tournament Arc? Obviously keeping a consistent schedule, not what I've done with the last third of this arc.
If this comes back, I think the point system can be improved or even completely revamped. In retrospective the consecutive episodes points was a bad decision, it buffs characters who should be in the relative same level as others, just because they didn't have a break.

"Go for it, man." If it's worth anything, I suppose the consecutive bonus values could be lowered.

[LightBing]

Episode #63 (#17)
Future Mai - 15 points (+2 appearing, +6 for saving Trunks, +3 for attempting to kill Goku Black, +3 for helping in the fight) *
Maki - 10 points (+2 for appearing, +8 for previous episodes)
Haru - 10 points (+2 for appearing, +8 for previous episodes)
Vegeta - 9 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for fighting, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Goku Black - 9 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for fighting, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Future Trunks - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for fighting) **
Son Goku - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for fighting) **
Future Zamasu - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for fighting) *
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Present Gowasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Kaioshin - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Master Roshi - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Dende - 2 points (+2 for appearing,)
Mr. Popo - 1 points
Umigame - 1 points *

Notes:
- I hold off on giving Bulma any points for fixing the time-machine, since it isn't a finished deal yet.
- I introduced Maki and Haru only now because I didn't know they would be so relevant.

I definitely want this thread for the new arc,you're doing a fantastic job so far!
Also,imo Present Zamasu & Goku Black should become one character because they are the same,just with a different end game.But that's for you to decide

Thanks! Your opinion is noted. I won't change anything now, but I'll ask the question again when I finish this and see if enough people prefer it that way and/or make a strong point for the separation.
I kinda just went along with both of them being separated; I have no strong opinion on the matter.

"Go for it, man." If it's worth anything, I suppose the consecutive bonus values could be lowered.

Hum..., I'll probably remove them completely. Imagine at the tournament they consistently show God X every week, while God Y is shown every two weeks, both are just standing in the crowd not even uttering a line. By the end of it God X would have a huge advantage based on nothing of substance.

[Anime Kitten]

I'd love to see you do this for the Universe Survival arc. It's already turned out so well thus far. I'd certainly be looking forward to it!

[LightBing]

Episode #64 (#18)
Goku Black - 15 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight, +6 for fusing) *
Future Zamasu - 15 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight, +6 for fusing) **
Future Trunks - 9 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +6 for sealing Zamasu)
Son Goku - 9 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +6 for the fight)
Vegeta - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight) *
Piccolo - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for teaching the Mafuba to Trunks)
Present Bulma - 6 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +3 for stalling Zamasu)
Future Mai - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for her assistance in sealing Zamasu) **
Absolute Zamasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Present Gowasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Kaioshin - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Master Roshi - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Present Trunks - 2 points (+2 for appearing)

Notes:
- Piccolo gets the same points as Master Roshi for teaching the Mafuba. The way they did it, feels wrong.
- As you can see I will be tracking the fusion points separately. At the end I will show two scores for the fuses, one with the fusion points divided among them and another ignoring those points.

Episode #65 (#19)
Future Trunks - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight) *
Son Goku - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight) *
Vegeta - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight) **
Absolute Zamasu - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight) *
Future Mai - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Present Gowasu - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Kaioshin - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Maki - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Haru - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Future Umigame - 1 point
Future Android #8 - 1 point

Notes:
- Nothing to say.

[The gr]

I'm hoping you do this type of thread for the universe survival arc because I'm amazed by this, your doing a fantastic job

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Episode #66 (#20)
Future Trunks - 20 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight, +12 for "defeating Absolute Zamasu") **
Son Goku - 18 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight, +6 for fusing, +3 for contributing to the Genki Sword) **
Vegeta - 12 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +6 for fusing, +3 for contributing to the Genki Sword)
Absolute Zamasu - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight) **
Vegetto - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for the fight)
Present Bulma - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for fixing the time-machine) **
Maki - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for grabbing Trunks sword) *
Kaioshin - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Future Mai - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Present Gowasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Haru - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Future Umigame - 1 point *
Future Android #8 - 1 point *

Notes:
- I thought about giving everyone points for their "Genki Sword" contribution but since nobody with the exception of Vegeta and Goku consciously helped, I decided against it. Thoughts?
- I also gave double points to Trunks defeat of Absolute Zamasu, I think it's worth it.

Episode #67 (#21)
Absolute Zamasu - 15 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +6 for fusing with the Universe, +6 for killing almost everyone on Earth)
Future Zen-chan - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for destroying the Universe)
Zeno-chan - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 retroactive points for giving Goku the button)
Future Trunks - 6 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +3 points for challenging Zamasu)
Son Goku - 6 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +3 points for challenging Zamasu)
Vegeta - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 points for challenging Zamasu) *
Whis - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for giving Trunks and Mai a place to live)
Present Gowasu - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for protecting the time-machine and everyone in the vicinity) **
Kaioshin - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for protecting the time-machine and everyone in the vicinity)
Present Bulma - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Future Mai - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Beerus - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Present Trunks - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Shu - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Pilaf - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Present Mai - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Kuririn - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Haru - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Maki - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Son Gohan- 2 points (+2 for appearing)
#18 - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Son Goten - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Chi-Chi - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Grand Priest - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Piccolo - 1 points
Marron - 1 points
Future Umigame - 1 point **
Future Android #8 - 1 point **

Notes:
- Many episodes after, I'm giving the points to Zeno-chan for the button. Only in this episode it's importance was unveiled.

Finally done!

I'll post my thoughts and my ideas for revamping the points system later.
Meanwhile I want read everyone's opinions. Like which character(s) placement in ranking surprise you? How do your initial expectations compare to the final table? Was it a good balance, influence wise? You know these type of things, get the ball rolling.
I would also like to hear suggestions to modify the points system, I believe it's has a huge room for improvement.

Check the first post for the final table!