Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

[sintzu]

You know the title of this thread just fits this picture perfectly. I think the mental image Trunks had of his idol Gohan, just died right there.

It also represents the fans :

Trunks represents the fans who expected Super to be as good as the original.

Videl represents the the fanboys who think Super is god's gift to the world.

MR.Satan represents the new fans who are questioning how the original got so popular if this is all it had to offer.

[Kagari]

Maybe people should actually wait to see the episode, for all we know Gohan will offer his help.

Agreed. People are too quick to jump to the most negative things. Super has already proven it's very hard to predict this arc.

[Beyond]

I wouldn't mind a filler arc where Gohan and his side kick, pickle man(because saiyawoman doesn't exist I guess), go on adventures to save the city folk for about 3-4 episodes. It'd be better then that super human water arc we got. I fully expect that they would ruin it by having Goku save the day though.

[Faisal Shourov]

MR.Satan represents the new fans who are questioning how the original got so popular if this is all it had to offer.

Super is giving DBZ a bad name. Hard to accept its faults with the amount of good anime out there.

[Kagari]

I wouldn't mind a filler arc where Gohan and his side kick, pickle man(because saiyawoman doesn't exist I guess), go on adventures to save the city folk for about 3-4 episodes. It'd be better then that super human water arc we got. I fully expect that they would ruin it by having Goku save the day though.

I would love some more Saiyaman adventures. Definitely an underrated part of Z.

[sintzu]

It'd be better then that super human water arc we got.

They should've made an arc showing Trunks' encounter with Babidi and Dabura.

Super is giving DBZ a bad name.

Super is giving Shonen in general a bad name.

[KingKaash]

It's true that we Gohan fans have to let it go and just remember the good days. He did get to be the hero of the Cell Saga so I guess that was his peak.

It's very sad what they've done with Gohan. I thought he was the Chosen One.

[ArchedThunder]

Super is giving DBZ a bad name. Hard to accept its faults with the amount of good anime out there.

Super is giving Shonen in general a bad name.

Can we keep this hyperbole out of this? If you hate Super so much then just stop watching it and posting about it. The show isn't hurting you, nor is it hurting any genre of anime or anime in general.

[sintzu]

If you hate Super so much then just stop watching it and posting about it.

The show isn't hurting any genre of anime or anime in general.

I've said multiple times that I enjoy it (I've been watching it for a year so that should be clear) But I'm not going to pretend there's nothing wrong with it like what some fans are doing just because it has Dragon Ball's name on it.

That's like saying Batman&Robin didn't hurt the comic movie genre.

[Faisal Shourov]

Super is giving Shonen in general a bad name.

I will actually be skipping a few fillerish episodes and watch news ones based on NEP. People say anime has become to pussy nowadays but we have plenty of shows with gore like Akame Ga Kill, Parasyte, Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan. Tired of seeing people blaming current time as an excuse for Super for it's childish tone and humour, as if other contemporary violent anime don't exist.

[Shin]

Super is giving Shonen in general a bad name.

let's not be dramatic please lol... Super isn't that bad.

[ArchedThunder]

I've said multiple times that I enjoy it (I've been watching it for a year so that should be clear) But I'm not going to pretend there's nothing wrong with it like what some fans are doing just because it has Dragon Ball's name on it.

That's like saying Batman&Robin didn't hurt the comic movie genre.

Sure it has it's problems, but it's not hurting anime. Batman and Robin came when Comic Book movies where still figuring themselves out and get a footing in the market, plenty of poor Comic Book movies come out these days but that doesn't stop others from doing well because the genre is established now. Super is not hurting Shonen or anime and its popularity shows that it certainly isn't hurting DBZ.

I will actually be skipping a few fillerish episodes and watch news ones based on NEP. People say anime has become to pussy nowadays but we have plenty of shows with gore like Akame Ga Kill, Parasyte, Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan. Tired of seeing people blaming current time as an excuse for Super for it's childish tone and humour, as if other contemporary violent anime don't exist.

Dragon Ball is, always has been and always will be targeted at children, most of what you listed is not. Dragon Ball doesn't need gore, nor is its tone all that different from what came before.

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball always has been targeted at children.

Dragon Ball doesn't need gore, nor is its tone all that different from what came before.

Shōnen manga is manga aimed at a young male audience. it is primarily intended for boys between the ages of 8 to 18.

Super's tone isn't that different from the original's ? the difference between them is night and day.

[ArchedThunder]

Shōnen manga is manga aimed at a young male audience. it is primarily intended for boys between the ages of 8 to 18.

Super's tone isn't that different from the original's ? the difference between them is night and day.

Dragon Ball has always targeted children.

Super's humor is the same that Toriyama's humor always has been and it gets just as serious as Z. They just mix the seriousness and the humor differently and neither last quite as long due to the faster pace.

[sintzu]

Dragon Ball has always targeted children.

Super's humor is the same that Toriyama's humor always has been and it gets just as serious as Z.

And young men which is why we're fans of it and other Shonen.

Its humor and seriousness is no where near the original's and you know it.

[ArchedThunder]

And young men which is why we're fans of it and other Shonen.

Its humor and seriousness is no where near the original's and you know it.

It doesn't mater if adults enjoy it, it's targeted at children, that is a fact.

The humor is the same, maybe you should rewatch DB, Z and even GT, and Super get's plenty serious, especially in the current arc.

[sintzu]

It doesn't mater if adults enjoy it, it's targeted at children, that is a fact.

The humor is the same, maybe you should rewatch DB, Z.

It's a Shonen, shonen is targeted at 8-18 year olds. that's a more accurate fact.

That's what I'm doing and the difference between them is huge. that's also a fact.

[Muffin Man]

And young men which is why we're fans of it and other Shonen.

Its humor and seriousness is no where near the original's and you know it.

It doesn't mater if adults enjoy it, it's targeted at children, that is a fact.

The humor is the same, maybe you should rewatch DB, Z and even GT, and Super get's plenty serious, especially in the current arc.

The original's humor was much more clever and didn't rely on the same recurring gags over and over. And before you bring up Mr. Satan, he had a fully fleshed out character arc and changed a lot over the course of the series, influencing the story in a lot of new and important ways as part of his character growth. He was far more than a repetitive one note gag character.

[sintzu]

The original's humor was much more clever and didn't rely on the same recurring gags over and over. And before you bring up Mr. Satan, he had a fully fleshed out character arc and changed a lot over the course of the series, influencing the story in a lot of new and important ways as part of his character growth. He was far more than a repetitive one note gag character.

That's because the original was selling a story so it had to have good writing and characters, super on the other hand is selling merchandise so that's irrelevant cause all it needs is character designs that can be turned into action figures and hero cards.

[Faisal Shourov]

Dragon Ball has always targeted children.

Super's humor is the same that Toriyama's humor always has been and it gets just as serious as Z. They just mix the seriousness and the humor differently and neither last quite as long due to the faster pace.

All mainstream shonen have large adult audience. Hunter x Hunter is a shonen, Bleach is a shonen. Far more violent than Dragon Ball Super. Shonen doesn't have to be childish. I am pretty sure you have confused Shonen with Kodomo. Kodomo is childish and is aimed at little kids (for example, Doraemon). Shonen is NOT kodomo. Mainstream shonen is able to attract diverse audience for being edgy. Dragon Ball Super looks like a kodomo instead of shonen, and it's giving shonen a bad name. DBZ was a standard mainstream shonen.