This franchise has become a joke now

[omaro34]

I can't bring myself to do it. I've already watched WAY more than I care to in hopes that it might get better. I'm not waiting 4 seasons for a show to get good. You found that clip funny? The clip where they show Goku is a genius at fighting is not funny, and just used the gist of the original dialog. Also, what is with Goku sounding like a stereotypical gay character?

I don't like Goku's portrayal in Abridged. But Mr. Popo is legendary, most who has seen Abridged will agree.

[Kamiccolo9]

Not many would put Abridged as being better than the original. A few have that opinion which is I obviously don't agree with, but those who do don't appreciate that without Z, there wouldn't be an Abridged. I have seen their remake of the Saiyan, Freeza, and Cell arcs. All Abridged has done is change the voices and edit the scenes. It has its funny moments, but if you're concerned that many think Abridged is right up there with the original, then I'm here to assure you: You have nothing worry about, my friend.

Without Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, there would be no Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

Men in Tights totally kicks Prince of Thieves' ass.

Just because something is the original, that doesn't mean it's of higher quality, or that it is, by whatever scale you are using, necessarily "better" than the derivative product.


Dragon Ball and Abridged both have "entertainment" as their primary goal. I find Abridged to be much more entertaining. Therefore, to me, it's "better."

I actually enjoy Abridged. You're right in that both Dragonball and Abridged are aiming towards entertainment. All Abridged has done is take the same characters, same animation, and same plot to exaggerate it with hilarious humor & new voices. I take into account obstacles the original had to go through to become the success it became. My main point is that I have more appreciation for the original because of the work they put in to produce the entertainment, and for that reason I value it higher than Abridged.

Good for you (meant in a totally non-condescending way, seriously.) If you want to encompass a wider appreciation of the creation of the show into your enjoyment of the final product, that's great.

I, on the other hand, have basically no interest said obstacles, inter-studio drama and difficulties, etc., and only care about the end product. Abridged is a more consistently enjoyable end product for me than the Dragon Ball anime. All the other stuff may be interesting, and can explain a lot about the end product....but it ultimately has no bearing on whether I like the end result.

[Anime Kitten]

Just curious, is this still on-topic?

[kinisking]

I can't bring myself to do it. I've already watched WAY more than I care to in hopes that it might get better. I'm not waiting 4 seasons for a show to get good. You found that clip funny? The clip where they show Goku is a genius at fighting is not funny, and just used the gist of the original dialog. Also, what is with Goku sounding like a stereotypical gay character?

It's funny because his character. Out of context it wouldnt be so funny but seeing how stupid he sounds the entire time, it becomes a funny moment. At least to me.

I know the context of the scene. Is it funny because he's high pitched and almost like Jack from Will & Grace?

Nah, the voice isn't whats funny to me. I just think it's funny to see his genius in fighting to be portrayed in the matter it is. The whole series he's using very simple words and then suddenly he's able to use intricate words such as those. Gohan's confusion at this sudden change and Goku treating him like an idiot makes it even funnier. Also, another character point is how Tien hates Vegeta. They really capitalize on it in TFS and I love that it leads to moments like this. The actual antagonizing in this one is pretty weak but what Tien says after is amusing as hell. Thought i'd mention it because you seem pretty active in the Tien thread I made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L94Kqd2gZNI

[Kamiccolo9]

Just curious, is this still on-topic?

Could you stop trying to minimod every topic you post in? If you think there is a problem, report it. Let the mods handle it.

[ABED]

Nah, the voice isn't whats funny to me. I just think it's funny to see his genius in fighting to be portrayed in the matter it is. The whole series he's using very simple words and then suddenly he's able to use intricate words such as those. Gohan's confusion at this sudden change and Goku treating him like an idiot makes it even funnier. Also, another character point is how Tien hates Vegeta. They really capitalize on it in TFS and I love that it leads to moments like this. The actual antagonizing in this one is pretty weak but what Tien says after is amusing as hell. Thought i'd mention it because you seem pretty active in the Tien thread I made.

It's still not funny or well acted. They have a few things that could be clever, but the execution is awful, so it doesn't work. For instance, pointing out that Super Saiyan isn't that special anymore (even though at that point, it still was) could be a great "hanging a lantern" joke, but the delivery is awful so the joke doesn't land.

[Anime Kitten]

Could you stop trying to minimod every topic you post in? If you think there is a problem, report it. Let the mods handle it.

That was an actual question. I said "Just curious" to clarify. I honestly can't tell if we're on-topic or not.

[Bansho64]

It's still not funny or well acted. They have a few things that could be clever, but the execution is awful, so it doesn't work. For instance, pointing out that Super Saiyan isn't that special anymore (even though at that point, it still was) could be a great "hanging a lantern" joke, but the delivery is awful so the joke doesn't land.

No offense but I feel as if your stating your opinion as fact and it really comes across to me as condescending. You're constantly exclaiming that Abridged is badly acted and badly written and that none of the jokes are funny and use that same rebuttal every time somebody says they like something in Abridged. You can question why someone likes something but sometimes people just like things. But there are sometimes where you just can't give every single little detail about why you like something and just say that you like it.

[kinisking]

Nah, the voice isn't whats funny to me. I just think it's funny to see his genius in fighting to be portrayed in the matter it is. The whole series he's using very simple words and then suddenly he's able to use intricate words such as those. Gohan's confusion at this sudden change and Goku treating him like an idiot makes it even funnier. Also, another character point is how Tien hates Vegeta. They really capitalize on it in TFS and I love that it leads to moments like this. The actual antagonizing in this one is pretty weak but what Tien says after is amusing as hell. Thought i'd mention it because you seem pretty active in the Tien thread I made.

It's still not funny or well acted. They have a few things that could be clever, but the execution is awful, so it doesn't work. For instance, pointing out that Super Saiyan isn't that special anymore (even though at that point, it still was) could be a great "hanging a lantern" joke, but the delivery is awful so the joke doesn't land.

It's true, Tien's mockery here wasn't that funny (it's been executed better in other situations) but the game concept really sheds light on their relationship in TFS

[ABED]

It's still not funny or well acted. They have a few things that could be clever, but the execution is awful, so it doesn't work. For instance, pointing out that Super Saiyan isn't that special anymore (even though at that point, it still was) could be a great "hanging a lantern" joke, but the delivery is awful so the joke doesn't land.

No offense but I feel as if your stating your opinion as fact and it really comes across to me as condescending. You're constantly exclaiming that Abridged is badly acted and badly written and that none of the jokes are funny. You can question why someone likes something but sometimes people just like things. There are sometimes where you just can't give every single little detail about why you like something and just say that you like it.

That's true to a degree, and I'm not really asking for a reason why. I accept that people like stuff that's bad. I enjoy Power Rangers even though it's mostly badly acted and written, but it's still silly fun to me. This isn't whether they just like something. They are giving their reasons. They believe it is well written and some have said it's well acted, but I don't know how anyone can honestly claim that NozawaX's acting as Goku isn't objectively bad. It doesn't sound anything close to approximating anything truthful. That's fine if you're going for exaggerated and silly for comedic effect. So yes, I do think it's a fact that it's poorly acted.

[Ajay]

If you could take this conversation about DBZA's quality to a more appropriate thread, that'd be great.

Currently, it's derailing the topic regarding the quality of the franchise.

Thanks!

[floofychan333]

The franchise isn't a joke but I agree some of Toei's ideas are stupid, eg SSJ4 Broly. Also, I hate how inconsistencies run rampant in the franchise because Toriyama forgets everything and nobody bothers to fix plot holes.

[Bullza]

The complaints seem pretty petty to me. DBZ had SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, MSSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 never mind things like Kaioken but it's a problem that they had another one in SSJG? The first six forms of that were alright but the seventh and it's a problem?

The series brought back Pilaf, Piccolo, Garlic Jr, Broly, Cooler, Vegeta kinda, Mercenary Tao and that's fine but they bring back Frieza whose the most popular one and that's a problem?

He had yellow hair randomly and that's alright but then he gets blue hair randomly and....so? Didn't they even poke fun if the ridiculous name?

It's complaining about things that have always been there.

[Bansho64]

If you could take this conversation about DBZA's quality to a more appropriate thread, that'd be great.

Currently, it's derailing the topic regarding the quality of the franchise.

Thanks!

Oh shoot, my apologies man. Won't happen again

[AnimeMaakuo]

The complaints seem pretty petty to me. DBZ had SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, MSSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 never mind things like Kaioken but it's a problem that they had another one in SSJG? The first six forms of that were alright but the seventh and it's a problem?

The series brought back Pilaf, Piccolo, Garlic Jr, Broly, Cooler, Vegeta kinda, Mercenary Tao and that's fine but they bring back Frieza whose the most popular one and that's a problem?

He had yellow hair randomly and that's alright but then he gets blue hair randomly and....so? Didn't they even poke fun if the ridiculous name?

It's complaining about things that have always been there.

No, it's the fact that they got to the point where Saiyajins can now become "Gods".

[Kamiccolo9]

The complaints seem pretty petty to me. DBZ had SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, MSSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 never mind things like Kaioken but it's a problem that they had another one in SSJG? The first six forms of that were alright but the seventh and it's a problem?

The series brought back Pilaf, Piccolo, Garlic Jr, Broly, Cooler, Vegeta kinda, Mercenary Tao and that's fine but they bring back Frieza whose the most popular one and that's a problem?

He had yellow hair randomly and that's alright but then he gets blue hair randomly and....so? Didn't they even poke fun if the ridiculous name?

It's complaining about things that have always been there.

No, it's the fact that they got to the point where Saiyajins can now become "Gods".

Goku had a chance to become God at the end of the 23rd Budokai. He's been surpassing gods for decades.

[ABED]

The complaints seem pretty petty to me. DBZ had SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, MSSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 never mind things like Kaioken but it's a problem that they had another one in SSJG? The first six forms of that were alright but the seventh and it's a problem?

Well, sure. At a certain point it becomes overkill. Where that point is will differ for everyone. My breaking point is now SS2. What's wrong with Kaio-ken?

He had yellow hair randomly and that's alright but then he gets blue hair randomly and....so? Didn't they even poke fun if the ridiculous name?

I think you are abusing "random". Super Saiyan wasn't random.

Goku had a chance to become God at the end of the 23rd Budokai. He's been surpassing gods for decades.

And at a certain point the ever growing hierarchy grows tiresome as well.

[Bullza]

No, it's the fact that they got to the point where Saiyajins can now become "Gods"

Again, not really seeing what the problem is.

At the very end of Dragon Ball Kami asked him to become a God right there on the spot. He literally says "You can become a God". So we've always known he could become a God. He even said Chi Chi would be a Goddess.

So I don't see why it's a problem that he just became one later on.

[AnimeMaakuo]

No, it's the fact that they got to the point where Saiyajins can now become "Gods"

Again, not really seeing what the problem is.

At the very end of Dragon Ball Kami asked him to become a God right there on the spot. He literally says "You can become a God". So we've always known he could become a God. He even said Chi Chi would be a Goddess.

So I don't see why it's a problem that he just became one later on.

In Dragon Ball, did Kami tell Goku that he could transform into Bluper Saiyan God, or acquire Super Saiyan God Rose? Overseeing the Earth as a God in Dragon Ball, is much different than being a God and having the power to obliterate a universe in Dragon Ball Z/Super.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I think Super's greatest issue is actually the lack of a weekly manga to force its course; the first two TV series had scenes to recreate and a beginning-to-end progression to guide their production and to frame around. Super is going off a synopsis, which by virtue of form is not sufficient for a long-running TV series- the characters would certainly be more consistent if they were centered on dialogue straight from Toriyama.

The hard truth of it is that the series was already toppling over itself when it ended, but the twenty year interlude allowed long-time and pre-Super fans to become accustomed to the manga story, warts and all. To become so familiar with it that we glaze over the fact, because "that is what Dragon Ball is". Then, suddenly, twenty years later, Toriyama accepts the task of writing new Dragon Ball. What does he do? The same thing he'd been doing since the King Piccolo arc, the same thing that the series had for better and worse been defined by for the past twenty five years- higher stakes, stronger villains, and no time for any real, quasi-insightful training. Between Super and GT we have now had two attempts at that, and certainly neither have been flawless.