Name some great moments in this arc

[sintzu]

The arc is good, but still I can't get over the fact of how poorly written it was, I'm hoping the next arc improves in that department.

I agree that it had some issues like the way Goku was written in ep53 and Pilaf but overall it's taken the show in the right direction and will hopefully improve more moving forward.

[Cipher]

Really enjoyed Vegeta's pro-Goku chastisement of Black, Trunks and Mai's Mafuba, and the entirety of episode 67/the brutally weird end.

[Fionordequester]

But I thought the episode was great. The people bashing it are either:

1) Upset Vegito fanboys who feel he didn't get enough focus

2) People who see Trunks as a Mary Sue, completely overlooking the fact that Vegito tired Zamasu out, then Goku/Vegeta channeled their energy to Trunks as well as the planet, then Trunks used his power to finish him off.



Don't go to reddit, youtube, twitter, or any other Dragonball related forum. People there are having mental breakdowns.

Pretty much this.

I really don't see anything majorly offensive about the episode at all. I thought it was a perfect finale to what was already a great arc.

There may be some people like that, but not all of them. Demonizing the other side is never a good thing to do; and we've already had MORE than enough of that in our most recent presidential election. Both sides have points there, and both sides have points here. For example, if you'll read what I posted in the relevant thread, you'll see that I had more to say than just "Vegetto got gypped".

I'll echo the complaints of many of the other posters in this thread; there was some downright sloppy writing here. GT levels of sloppy, in fact. I mean, we've got...

1) Manipulative writing. They tell us that the Vegito fusion lasts for one hour...only to then immediately break their own rule within the same episode, causing him to defuse after just a few minutes.

2) Overclogged writing. Gowasu has that whole spiel about Zamasu's body and mind not being in sync...and why did we need to cut to that? We already got an explanation as to why his body was getting all purple; he had some mortal in him. Why do we need more explanation on top of that, especially when we're just anxious to get back to Vegito vs. Zamasu?

And what was the point of Gowasu even being there if Vegetto was only going to be a bit part? One of the big plot points a few episode was that Gowasu was going to somehow make up for his mistakes...and now that's been thrown out the window by giving the kill to Trunks. So unless Episode 67 picks up the slack, Gowasu and Supreme Kai are going to end up being completely worthless to the final battle; every second of screentime they hogged in the final battle will have been wasted.

[Note that I've changed my mind on this since then. EVERYONE technically became worthless in the end...and that's part of the point. Trunks lost; yes, they killed Zamasu, but Trunks lost almost everything he tried to protect in the process. So really, "Gowasu being useless" is kind of a moot point]

3) Unclear writing. Some posters have theorized that Trunks only overpowered Zamasu because Vegito softened him up for him...but is that really true? If so, they were not selling me on that at all. None of the sideline characters mentioned that being the case, and as for the animation...well, just look at Zamasu! Guy tanks a Final Kamehameha to the face, and then just jumps in the air like he just doesn't care! He's got the big ol' smile, he's got his mouth running, and the guy really doesn't look any different from how he looked before Vegito appeared. There's not even a stab wound! The guy gets stabbed right through the gut, and just brushes that off like nothing. Even his clothes are completely intact! No tear at all! Which, to me, leads to...

4) Lazy writing. Without any indication of battle damage (seriously, this is important), I can only assume that Zamasu was more or less at full power when he fought Trunks. So instead of doing something creative (maybe Vegito DOES leave a stab wound, and that ends up being the exact same place that Trunks stabs with his Super Sword), they just copy and paste the ending of the 1st Broly movie. Dude gets a whole ton of power out of some random guys who shouldn't possible have what he needs, and then OHKOes the very same guy that's spent most of the fight no-selling almost everything else they've thrown at him. Which also leads into...

5) Rushed writing. Episode 64 and Episode 66 both feel like they suddenly ran out of time, episodes, and/or money. Both of them feel like there are pages missing in the script, beginning with how Goku is busy distracting Zamasu...and then is suddenly fighting Black's Shadow Clones, with no transition in between the two scenes. This one also feels that same way, in that Zamasu gets a brand new form...only to then lose within 10 minutes of achieving said form. This would also explain the way the writers contradicted themselves in regards to how Vegito's fusion worked, as well as how tacked on Gowasu's whole mind vs. body speech felt. The Episode just throws that whole character analysis at us...only to then kill off said character almost immediately afterward. Heck, it'd even explain how out-of-nowhere Trunk's power up was, if there was no time to properly build that up.

[Ok, so Zamasu didn't DIE per say...but there still wasn't really a point to that "mind vs. body" thing. I don't see what was wrong with just "there's a mortal in his body now, that's messing up his immortality"]

This was...a frustrating episode for me. Awesomely animated and choreographed...but still extremely frustrating. And that's from a guy who's liked every other episode from this arc