For a show that's about to build on the other universes, we really don't know much about U7

[Totamo]

What exactly does that have to do with what I said?

the threat level of the villains were artificial in GT, Gero was also a superior scientist to Myuu.
had goku been at his peak and Gohan and vegeta were around and as strong as they were in z, none of those threats would have been a problem.

I wasn't talking about GT itself though, I was talking about the concepts behind GT. GT itself sucked ass. I sure as hell wouldn't have made the enemies in the first arc a bunch of goofy weaklings.

ahhhhhhh apologies.

[lord turbo]

Everything is about the perspective.

You can say the Kaioshins were weak, because you think Freeza was weak. But the truth is, Freeza was at one point the strongest being in the known universe, by far, bar none. And each of the Kaioshins could end him in one blow, even the weak East Kaioshin.

The South Kaioshin was so powerful that he brought Kid Buu from his comparatively small powerlevel to greater than Super Buu's.

In Toriyama's work, this perspective is usually kept and powerlevels do usually make sense. If a being is powerful, they also hold suitable influence and are suitably feared. Freeza was a name known throughout the universe and Majin Buu was feared even by the gods.

One exception to this are the Androids - they had no business being as strong as they were and you really have to suspend your disbelief to accept how strong they actually were - even 19 and 20. Cell was quite believable, on the other hand, which served to rectify this a little bit.

Its not necessarily true just because you are powerful you hold suitable influence and such. Avo and Cado, two remnants of Freeza's army, were as Vegeta and Tarble mentioned to be neck and neck with the Ginyu-Force in power, yet years later they somehow (the most likely explanation through training) gained power that rivaled Freeza. Hell, DBS showed that Tagoma (Dodoria/Zarbon level) in a few months of training went from that tier to easily decimating Post Cell Games Piccolo, a character usually estimated to be nearly comparable to SSJ Vegeta and Trunks back then during that very Cell Games. That's a tremendous jump in power from relatively an unknown grunt. Hell, there's no reason in-universe why Freeza himself is so powerful, he just is. Out of universe Toriyama explains it away as him being a mutant, something Ginyu said to Jeice when explaining why Goku is so powerful so indirectly speaking, Freeza and his dad were so powerful because they were mutants.

Freeza himself trained and a few months later he became far stronger than previous villains in Z in just his regular true form and with his Golden form stronger than SSJBs. On Earth Gero created artificial humans that surpassed Freeza and so forth, with all this in mind it never really bothered me in GT when Goku encountered aliens that surpassed Freeza or former villains like Cell and Buu. If scrubs like Avo, Cado, Shishima, and Tagoma can get vastly stronger than previous major enemies from past sagas, there is no rule saying others can't do the same. We see this in trained warrior Ledgic in GT who appears to be one of these individuals. We don't know really anything about Ledgic, what his race is or the limitations so as far as we may know he could have been born with power not that far from Freeza, as great as Freeza, or even greater due to being some freak of nature and trained further which pushed his power to new heights.

We get to RIldo who's stated to be a machine mutant. Hmmm...a mutant, an excused used in Dragon Ball lore to explain away why X character is as powerful as they are like Ginyu and Freeza. The next is machine, we've seen technological enhancements give great results to organic beings like 17 and 18 for instance. Apply that to an already powerful mutant and viola, you have a character superior to Buu. It works giving what we know about Dragon Ball in general so I don't really see the problem here. Should Rildo be more well known? I don't know, shouldn't have Cell? Know you may say Cell was killed off before he could attain notoriety, but we really don't know much about Rildo and Myuu in general, we have zero idea how long they been at this and etc. as far as we know they may have just been starting to put their grand plan into motion.

I honestly don't see the problem with the power levels of the villains in GT, if so could someone carefully explain why because so far I'm not really seeing and issue here.

[Saturnine]

I honestly don't see the problem with the power levels of the villains in GT, if so could someone carefully explain why because so far I'm not really seeing and issue here.

Even the Shadow Dragons? Come on.

Of course with enough mental gymnastics anything can work, but the point is, you shouldn't have to do them in the first place.

[lord turbo]

I honestly don't see the problem with the power levels of the villains in GT, if so could someone carefully explain why because so far I'm not really seeing and issue here.

Even the Shadow Dragons? Come on.

Of course with enough mental gymnastics anything can work, but the point is, you shouldn't have to do them in the first place.

Yes, even the Shadow Dragons. There's no mental gymnastics to be had here. The Dragon Balls have been accumulating a massive amount of negative energy over decades. This negative energy caused a different dragon to form into existence who uses his unknown, but apparently incredible power to create 7 distinct dragons of various levels to terrorize the Earth. Lets be honest, this is no different than how Toriyama handles things in his own series which is why it doesn't bother me, fits right in line with Toriyama's own writing.

[Yomi]

We know freeza was strongest mortal being in the universe, majin buu was there since when universe started, berrus is god of destruction and strongest god in our universe..
Now if they go and explore planet xyz, what good will it do? There is no tension, they beat everyone who were strongest in our universe anyway, will a viewer even enjoy seeing god goku vs tao pai pai level battles in random planets?
I would find it a waste of time amd utterly pointless..

That is the reason it's a brilliant idea they introduced other universes, we don't know about any being's positions there, who is strong, who is the god, is there any evil we know nothing.. and that is what is interesting to a viewer..

This is why GT never clicked with me, seeing our heroes stronger than the strongest mortal in Universe 7 struggling against soldiers, lizards, and asteroid worms, some mecha-baby, some sentient whip. It made me wonder. . . Then there's Super 17 and Dr.Muu and Baby, which is all just an Android/Cell saga rip-off. People say the animation is better than Z, but I don't see it.

[HeroR]

We know freeza was strongest mortal being in the universe, majin buu was there since when universe started, berrus is god of destruction and strongest god in our universe..
Now if they go and explore planet xyz, what good will it do? There is no tension, they beat everyone who were strongest in our universe anyway, will a viewer even enjoy seeing god goku vs tao pai pai level battles in random planets?
I would find it a waste of time amd utterly pointless..

That is the reason it's a brilliant idea they introduced other universes, we don't know about any being's positions there, who is strong, who is the god, is there any evil we know nothing.. and that is what is interesting to a viewer..

This is why GT never clicked with me, seeing our heroes stronger than the strongest mortal in Universe 7 struggling against soldiers, lizards, and asteroid worms, some mecha-baby, some sentient whip. It made me wonder. . . Then there's Super 17 and Dr.Muu and Baby, which is all just an Android/Cell saga rip-off. People say the animation is better than Z, but I don't see it.

The animation is on par and better than Z in places. However, the color pallid and art were horrible and killed the good animation.

[ChronoTwigger]

DB had a lotta world building.
Then, DBZ machism that most of teens love, focused on bashing, shouts and crazy light shows.
There was a lotta chances of world building, but all the events are rushed due to fighting plot.
And that's what you got. An hollow world, with some place to train with no more use for.