Kid Buu's Power Level in Dragon Ball Super SO FAR...

[Israelite Wolfman]

And no, training for years doesn't make characters several folds stronger unless it's GT we're talking about. In fact, in Super, Beerus implied that Goku in his base would not have stood a chance against Frieza, despite having trained for a decade after that.

Let me remind you that Goku had a base of 8000 in November 3rd of Age 762= the day he was revived to fight Nappa & Vegeta, in the 24th of December that year he already was in 90,000 = 11.25 times growth in power after training for 6 days on his way to Namek in a growing gravity rate of 20 to 100. Later that day he arrived on Namek, he went through a Zenkai boost of over 33 times to reach 3,000,000 at base. About the latest 2 movies: their power scaling is just awful, especially RoF where Frieza jumps from being "slightly rusty" (under his 530,000 in his 1st suppressed form) over Kid Buu many times over in just 4 months.

[ekrolo2]

And no, training for years doesn't make characters several folds stronger unless it's GT we're talking about. In fact, in Super, Beerus implied that Goku in his base would not have stood a chance against Frieza, despite having trained for a decade after that.

Let me remind you that Goku had a base of 8000 in November 3rd of Age 762, in the 24th of December that year he already was in 90,000 = 11.25 times growth in power after training for 6 days on his way to Namek in a growing gravity rate of 20 to 100. Later that day he arrived on Namek, he went through a Zenkai boost of over 33 times to reach 3,000,000 at base. About the latest 2 movies: their power scaling is just awful, especially RoF where Frieza jumps from being "slightly rusty" (under his 530,000 in his 1st suppressed form) over Kid Buu many times over in just 4 months.

And then he and Vegeta train like madmen for 7 years and they're not noticeably stronger than Gohan was at his Cell Games peak given that Piccolo says Majin Vegeta is maybe stronger than Gohan used to be. The last big gains Goku makes after Namek come from the ROSAT, anything in the earlier Android arc or after the trip yields much, much smaller gains.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Current Goku is probably over 1,000x stronger than Kid Buu.

[fadeddreams5]

I feel after Goku reached SSJ, any increases to his base form are very minuscule in comparison to the threats he has to face. Like, his PL can increase by 10 million points every year, but that's hardly anything to brag about.

[OLKv3]

None of the power scaling works because the anime doesn't make sense in that regard. Probably why the manga retconned BoG

[Israelite Wolfman]

Any bets or thoughts about who's stronger: Kid Buu or Lavenda or Bergamo from Trio De Dangers?

[Ki Breaker]

Any bets or thoughts about who's stronger: Kid Buu or Lavenda or Bergamo from Trio De Dangers?

Kid buu, buu wreaked basil, kid buu is capable of utterly stomping buu and those brothers shouldn't be too much trouble because of his excellent regeneration and infinity ki..
We can't be sure though, as we don't know how strong Bergamo is

[TheUltimateNinja]

Any bets or thoughts about who's stronger: Kid Buu or Lavenda or Bergamo from Trio De Dangers?

Kid buu, buu wreaked basil, kid buu is capable of utterly stomping buu and those brothers shouldn't be too much trouble because of his excellent regeneration and infinity ki..
We can't be sure though, as we don't know how strong Bergamo is

Considering the fact that Bergamo is going to be Goku's opponent, he must be far superior to Kid Buu to not go down in one shot.

[Ki Breaker]

Any bets or thoughts about who's stronger: Kid Buu or Lavenda or Bergamo from Trio De Dangers?

Kid buu, buu wreaked basil, kid buu is capable of utterly stomping buu and those brothers shouldn't be too much trouble because of his excellent regeneration and infinity ki..
We can't be sure though, as we don't know how strong Bergamo is

Considering the fact that Bergamo is going to be Goku's opponent, he must be far superior to Kid Buu to not go down in one shot.

He is supposed to be the oldest brother with the best skill set between the three so he has something, but goku was wreaking him in base in the op..
Kid buu should be able to dominate him in a prolonged fight if not from the start..
But like I said, can't say anything for certain as of now

[TheUltimateNinja]

Kid buu, buu wreaked basil, kid buu is capable of utterly stomping buu and those brothers shouldn't be too much trouble because of his excellent regeneration and infinity ki..
We can't be sure though, as we don't know how strong Bergamo is

Considering the fact that Bergamo is going to be Goku's opponent, he must be far superior to Kid Buu to not go down in one shot.

He is supposed to be the oldest brother with the best skill set between the three so he has something, but goku was wreaking him in base in the op..
Kid buu should be able to dominate him in a prolonged fight if not from the start..
But like I said, can't say anything for certain as of now

Base Goku can easily wreck even SSJ3 Gotenks who is much stronger than Kid Buu.

[julianix]

Considering the fact that Bergamo is going to be Goku's opponent, he must be far superior to Kid Buu to not go down in one shot.

He is supposed to be the oldest brother with the best skill set between the three so he has something, but goku was wreaking him in base in the op..
Kid buu should be able to dominate him in a prolonged fight if not from the start..
But like I said, can't say anything for certain as of now

Base Goku can easily wreck even SSJ3 Gotenks who is much stronger than Kid Buu.

Ugh I hate base Goku power level discussions..

Ssj3 gotenks would still lose to kid buu though.. It's right there to see. You think that idiot Gotenks can kill Buu. He would end up on the missing children's lost list if he fights Kid Buu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He is supposed to be the oldest brother with the best skill set between the three so he has something, but goku was wreaking him in base in the op..
Kid buu should be able to dominate him in a prolonged fight if not from the start..
But like I said, can't say anything for certain as of now

Base Goku can easily wreck even SSJ3 Gotenks who is much stronger than Kid Buu.

Ugh I hate base Goku power level discussions..

Ssj3 gotenks would still lose to kid buu though.. It's right there to see. You think that idiot Gotenks can kill Buu. He would end up on the missing children's lost list if he fights Kid Buu.

Is this a joke? Gotenks is far above Kid Buu, he'd vaporize him in one blast.

[ssbgoku]

Considering the fact that Bergamo is going to be Goku's opponent, he must be far superior to Kid Buu to not go down in one shot.

He is supposed to be the oldest brother with the best skill set between the three so he has something, but goku was wreaking him in base in the op..
Kid buu should be able to dominate him in a prolonged fight if not from the start..
But like I said, can't say anything for certain as of now

Base Goku can easily wreck even SSJ3 Gotenks who is much stronger than Kid Buu.

I am sorry but ss gohan vs ss goku(holding back), put Current Ss gohan around base goku if not a little stronger.
Keep in mind that Current Base gohan has to be at least pre rosat ss gotenks level to even dream matching his peak ultimate power from buu arc.

[dragonballgeek]

If Kid Buu's power wasn't shrouded in crazyness.. The debates wouldn't exist.

His power in this thread basically depends if you believe or not in the two base theory. And also in how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got from their Buu Saga level. Which is something still unclear.

Agreed. Just because Goku defeated Buu doesn't mean he can take him one on one right at the beginning of Super. To say he had an advantage over him with that Spirit Bomb AND having his energy replenished would be an understatement. Feel free to correct me on this but I'm sure Vegeta and Goku had for the most reached their peak before getting SSB.


There's another matter concerning Gokus base form. When Beerus first met Goku he couldn't really see how Goku could defeat him. I'm well aware that Vegeta took on ssj3 gotenks with that whole copy thing (never watched it.)

I think it's also possible that they take experience into these fights. You can be the strongest person ever but if your opponent has more experience than you you're at a disadvantage.

I'm personally skeptical of PRESENT Zamasus strength. The future Zamasu is almost believable since it's so much older. Even then it feels like a stretch seeing the strength difference between SSJ2 Goku and Blue.

[iAnimationLover_]

I am fairly certain that Zamasu - at least while fighting in the Kaioushin realm, would not be powerful enough to beat Kid Boo.

Goku's base by the time of meeting Zamasu was much much stronger than in the Kid Buu Saga and he had to go SSJ 2 (x100 multiplier) to fight Zamasu which ended with Zamasu still alive, so that's what led me to believe he's stronger than Kid Buu.

Not sure if someone already replied to this but, Zamasu survived because goku had no intentions of killing him. Goku would've easily killed him if he wanted to, even in ssj2 (correct me if I'm wrong though)

[TheUltimateNinja]

I am fairly certain that Zamasu - at least while fighting in the Kaioushin realm, would not be powerful enough to beat Kid Boo.

Goku's base by the time of meeting Zamasu was much much stronger than in the Kid Buu Saga and he had to go SSJ 2 (x100 multiplier) to fight Zamasu which ended with Zamasu still alive, so that's what led me to believe he's stronger than Kid Buu.

Not sure if someone already replied to this but, Zamasu survived because goku had no intentions of killing him. Goku would've easily killed him if he wanted to, even in ssj2 (correct me if I'm wrong though)

Goku's base right now would probably be only 3-4x stronger than in the Buu Arc at most, so at best his SSJ2 would be equal to his Buu Arc SSJ3, and Zamasu is inferior to that so he can't beat Buu.

[VegettoEX]

Apologies for letting this go on so long (other members are encouraged to report these types of threads), but please keep your Super-related strength debates and theories to the specific thread created to handle them all, rather than cluttering the overall forum sub-section with these in-universe discussions. Thank you!