How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

[lancerman]

Won't happen because of the following reasons.

1. They have no idea how to structure it. It was actually a good idea to mix the first arc with Piccolo. However even that already kinda screws us out of Cell because of no Red Ribbon. You really do need to start with Dragon Ball and go in a much lighter tone to build up or else it's disjointed and screws up how a mainstream audience will perceive it. Sorry I get most of us started with Z but that just doesn't work well with a much larger film audience that isn't all anime fans.

2. Sadly Hollywood won't make a film where all the major characters are Asian and they aren't about to get blasted for white washing.

[sintzu]

You really do need to start with Dragon Ball and go in a much lighter tone to build up or else it's disjointed and screws up how a mainstream audience will perceive it.

I get most of us started with Z but that just doesn't work well with a much larger film audience that isn't all anime fans.

Hollywood won't make a film where all the major characters are Asian and they aren't about to get blasted for white washing.

How people perceive it will be the last thing on the company's mind. their first and major goal will be to make as much $$$ as possible which won't be possible if they start with a light kid adventure. The Saiyan arc is the most iconic part of the franchise so if they want one that can rival other franchises then that's what they'll start with.

Z is the main product and face of the franchise so that's what everyone will expect to see.

If there's $$$ to be made they won't give a **** about what anyone has to say about the actors they pick.

[Pluto]

We know that it would need at least a quarter of a billion budget, so for the arguments sake, let's keep that as a pillar.
Director, Michael Bay . You see, it's impossible to discuss this role, all cause of personal taste. I didnt even put my favourite directors on this, as they have nothing in common with DB at all.
Ridley Scott? Shit, Clint Eastwood would make a good one if Goku was a depressed little boy (yes, pun intended).

[sintzu]

IF we were to get this, I'd start with the Saiyan arc and have Z's arcs as the main movies. DB's would come in-between each movie as prequels. Maybe later down the line I'd do solo movies for the characters.

[ABED]

Z is the main product and face of the franchise so that's what everyone will expect to see.

No it's not. DB is the main product because it's ALL DB.

People constantly assume before the fact that fans will bitch and refuse to see something and put up such a fuss if it's not done a particular way. What I've found is that if something is good, those same people who were bitching prior to the release will shut up.

[sintzu]

DB is the main product because it's ALL DB.

People constantly assume before the fact that fans will bitch and refuse to see something and put up such a fuss if it's not done a particular way.

You know what I mean. Z is the one most are familiar with so they associate the franchise with it. That most likely wouldn't have happened if they didn't change the anime's name during the Saiyan arc and just kept it all DB. Me and you know there's more to it than Z and that DB as a whole is better watched in order from start to finish but business executives are gonna go with what people are most familiar with to make the most money and that's with Z.

A movie franchise won't be targeting fans but the general public that most likely doesn't know much about the franchise so they'll want it to be as marketable as possibble.

[Pluto]

Whatever the part of the story they "would" start with, it would need a shit load of introduction.

[ABED]

The series was already successful

A movie franchise won't be targeting fans but the general public that most likely doesn't know much about the franchise so they'll want it to be as marketable as possible.

This is pure marketing speak. It's not an axiom. Forget that it's an existing story, there were no DB fans before Toriyama created it. People weren't clamoring for Guardians of The Galaxy until Fiege and Gunn made the movie. If you make a good movie and market it well, I think people will see it. I've seen plenty of times that there are producers who do care about building their stories and aren't just making movies or TV shows from existing IP to make a buck. What you seemingly fail to realize is that DBZ didn't become super popular overnight. DB built the audience over time.

Whatever the part of the story they "would" start with, it would need a shit load of introduction.

No more than the 10th anniversary special. I think you could add a few minutes to allow moments to breathe, but the story isn't complicated.

[kemuri07]

The series was already successful

A movie franchise won't be targeting fans but the general public that most likely doesn't know much about the franchise so they'll want it to be as marketable as possible.

This is pure marketing speak. It's not an axiom. Forget that it's an existing story, there were no DB fans before Toriyama created it. People weren't clamoring for Guardians of The Galaxy until Fiege and Gunn made the movie. If you make a good movie and market it well, I think people will see it. I've seen plenty of times that there are producers who do care about building their stories and aren't just making movies or TV shows from existing IP to make a buck. What you seemingly fail to realize is that DBZ didn't become super popular overnight. DB built the audience over time.

Whatever the part of the story they "would" start with, it would need a shit load of introduction.

No more than the 10th anniversary special. I think you could add a few minutes to allow moments to breathe, but the story isn't complicated.

Sure, maybe that's the case in Japan. But Globaly? Especially in America? It's DBZ through and through.

[ABED]

There is no DBZ without DB, and regardless of the popularity of DBZ, that doesn't require a film adaptation to skip to the middle.

[Kunzait_83]

How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Here's a better question: why does anyone even still care about this?

Like seriously: WHY is it so important for so many people for DB (and a ton of other things for that matter) to have big budget live action Hollywood blockbuster adaptations? Especially when the track record for so many of those adaptations tends to be.... less than stellar oftentimes.

Like serious question: is this a validation thing? Does having a Michael Bay or Zack Snyde-esque CGI-fest with Goku in it somehow make you feel better about liking Dragon Ball in some way? Like "Yes! NOW Dragon Ball has TRULY arrived!" or something roughly along those lines (as if this is still the early/mid 2000s)?

And obviously DB has already HAD a shot at a mainstream Hollywood live action movie, and we all saw how well THAT turned out. So what, are we supposed to keep demanding one over and over and over again incessantly, even as various attempts fall on their face, until one of them "gets it right"? And what DOES "getting it right" even entail anyway? Like what's our metric or barometer here? That it lines up tonally and stylistically with the latest Spider-Man* or MCU movies (which is what I see bandied about most often lately)? Because those are the current belles of the ball right now? Despite those movies not really having almost ANYTHING in common with DB in many respects (aside from containing action and comedy: SUCH a unique and specific combination that)?

*(This being especially ironic since one of Evolution's main problems was that it copied so much so blatantly from the original Rami Spider-Man movie in the first place)

I mean by all means someone correct me if I'm wrong or way off the mark here, but this entire topic (in general throughout the 50 kajillion times its come up over the years, not just this latest incarnation specifically) to me has always smacked of "I want DB to remain pop culturally relevant in the mainstream public eye forever and ever no matter what!" rather than getting something cool and genuinely DB-esque out of a Hollywood live action movie.

99% chance that if it DID somehow happen again, it would very likely STILL suck, you all likely WOULDN'T be happy, and we'd all be right back around here again at square one musing aloud "Man wouldn't a PROPER DB Hollywood blockbuster movie be GREAT if it was done well?"

[ABED]

This being especially ironic since one of Evolution's main problems was that it copied so much so blatantly from the original Rami Spider-Man movie in the first place

Did it? I didn't notice.

I don't care if DB becomes mainstream. I saw Battle of Gods in a theater full of DB fans and that experience was more than enough for me.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Somethings just aren't meant for live action. Goku's hair would look too f**cking stupid in live action despite all "technological advancements" similar with Super Saiyan, won't work at all.

[Kid Buu]

Not Hollywood, but a lot of Chinese wuxia films are basically live-action Dragon Balls film.

[Hellspawn28]

This being especially ironic since one of Evolution's main problems was that it copied so much so blatantly from the original Rami Spider-Man movie in the first place

Did it? I didn't notice.

People thought Grandpa Gohan's death was similar to Uncle Ben's death and Goku's personality was more closer to Spider-Man than Goku in the anime & manga.

[lancerman]

DB is the main product because it's ALL DB.

People constantly assume before the fact that fans will bitch and refuse to see something and put up such a fuss if it's not done a particular way.

You know what I mean. Z is the one most are familiar with so they associate the franchise with it. That most likely wouldn't have happened if they didn't change the anime's name during the Saiyan arc and just kept it all DB. Me and you know there's more to it than Z and that DB as a whole is better watched in order from start to finish but business executives are gonna go with what people are most familiar with to make the most money and that's with Z.

A movie franchise won't be targeting fans but the general public that most likely doesn't know much about the franchise so they'll want it to be as marketable as possibble.

Yeah but the problem is that a mainstream Hollywood is not going strictly for the anime audience. For the amount of money they have to pump in for it to be good, they are going to want kids and families and men and women who never watched the show to want to check this out for the first time. Therefore, they aren't going to start a big franchise that costs a lot of money in the middle of the Saiyan arc.

I'm sorry it's different when it's cartoon on tv in the afternoon that kids can just jump in on it and not care as much. They aren't going to want to worry about all the things that kids in the 90's took for granted being questioned.

[lancerman]

How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Here's a better question: why does anyone even still care about this?

Like seriously: WHY is it so important for so many people for DB (and a ton of other things for that matter) to have big budget live action Hollywood blockbuster adaptations? Especially when the track record for so many of those adaptations tends to be.... less than stellar oftentimes.

Like serious question: is this a validation thing? Does having a Michael Bay or Zack Snyde-esque CGI-fest with Goku in it somehow make you feel better about liking Dragon Ball in some way? Like "Yes! NOW Dragon Ball has TRULY arrived!" or something roughly along those lines (as if this is still the early/mid 2000s)?

And obviously DB has already HAD a shot at a mainstream Hollywood live action movie, and we all saw how well THAT turned out. So what, are we supposed to keep demanding one over and over and over again incessantly, even as various attempts fall on their face, until one of them "gets it right"? And what DOES "getting it right" even entail anyway? Like what's our metric or barometer here? That it lines up tonally and stylistically with the latest Spider-Man* or MCU movies (which is what I see bandied about most often lately)? Because those are the current belles of the ball right now? Despite those movies not really having almost ANYTHING in common with DB in many respects (aside from containing action and comedy: SUCH a unique and specific combination that)?

*(This being especially ironic since one of Evolution's main problems was that it copied so much so blatantly from the original Rami Spider-Man movie in the first place)

I mean by all means someone correct me if I'm wrong or way off the mark here, but this entire topic (in general throughout the 50 kajillion times its come up over the years, not just this latest incarnation specifically) to me has always smacked of "I want DB to remain pop culturally relevant in the mainstream public eye forever and ever no matter what!" rather than getting something cool and genuinely DB-esque out of a Hollywood live action movie.

99% chance that if it DID somehow happen again, it would very likely STILL suck, you all likely WOULDN'T be happy, and we'd all be right back around here again at square one musing aloud "Man wouldn't a PROPER DB Hollywood blockbuster movie be GREAT if it was done well?"

Same reason comic fans wanted a liveaction Superman and Batman despite them being insanely popular due to their comic and television legacy. Same reason Game of Thrones and LOTR and Harry Potter fans wanted movies despite the books already being insanely popular and having a legacy.

There's just a different experience that's a bit more authentic and humanly relateable when they get the characters right in live action.

[Pluto]

How far away are we from a "proper Hollywood treatment"?

Here's a better question: why does anyone even still care about this?

Like seriously: WHY is it so important for so many people for DB (and a ton of other things for that matter) to have big budget live action Hollywood blockbuster adaptations? Especially when the track record for so many of those adaptations tends to be.... less than stellar oftentimes.

Like serious question: is this a validation thing? Does having a Michael Bay or Zack Snyde-esque CGI-fest with Goku in it somehow make you feel better about liking Dragon Ball in some way? Like "Yes! NOW Dragon Ball has TRULY arrived!" or something roughly along those lines (as if this is still the early/mid 2000s)?

And obviously DB has already HAD a shot at a mainstream Hollywood live action movie, and we all saw how well THAT turned out. So what, are we supposed to keep demanding one over and over and over again incessantly, even as various attempts fall on their face, until one of them "gets it right"? And what DOES "getting it right" even entail anyway? Like what's our metric or barometer here? That it lines up tonally and stylistically with the latest Spider-Man* or MCU movies (which is what I see bandied about most often lately)? Because those are the current belles of the ball right now? Despite those movies not really having almost ANYTHING in common with DB in many respects (aside from containing action and comedy: SUCH a unique and specific combination that)?

*(This being especially ironic since one of Evolution's main problems was that it copied so much so blatantly from the original Rami Spider-Man movie in the first place)

I mean by all means someone correct me if I'm wrong or way off the mark here, but this entire topic (in general throughout the 50 kajillion times its come up over the years, not just this latest incarnation specifically) to me has always smacked of "I want DB to remain pop culturally relevant in the mainstream public eye forever and ever no matter what!" rather than getting something cool and genuinely DB-esque out of a Hollywood live action movie.

99% chance that if it DID somehow happen again, it would very likely STILL suck, you all likely WOULDN'T be happy, and we'd all be right back around here again at square one musing aloud "Man wouldn't a PROPER DB Hollywood blockbuster movie be GREAT if it was done well?"

It's normal to have doubts, especially if anyone mentions Michael Bay. BUT...

Does anyone still care? Yes, always expect the opposite of your opinions, anywhere.
WHY? Why the fuck not?
Validation? What? I dont feel like taking you serious anymore, especially on a thread where i explicitly asked to ignore Evolution.

Now a question for you. What if something mind-blowing came out, what would you say? You dont have to be an optimist, you can rest on the neutrality of skepticism, but there is no point ranting for your pessimism. WE UNDERSTAND YOU, AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND US, and none of us have to agree with each other.

[DiegoBrando]

It's going to suck if it happens, just like most, if not all, of todays Hollywood blockbusters.

[sintzu]

It's going to suck if it happens, just like most, if not all, of todays Hollywood blockbusters.

There are a lot of things they'd need to do in order for it not to, among them are :

1- It needs a big budget : I honestly don't see any major studio offering anyone 200 or so million to work on an unproven franchise like this.

2- They need to be willing to have it as long as possible if the arc(s) demand it : like the above, I don't see this happening either cause the longer a movie is, the more it costs to make.

3- They need to get a director and actors who not only like the source material but also understand it : pigs will fly before this requirment is met. You'll have directors wanting to make "their" DB and actors who look and act nothing like the characters they're playing.