Opinions on Jiren?

[Asura]

Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku

Yeah, and Jiren just had his fight with Goku and still isn't interesting or any different than before. That's the entire point on why they're not the same.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku

Yeah, and Jiren just had his fight with Goku and still isn't interesting or any different than before. That's the entire point on why they're not the same.

That wasn't the main fight, Goku didn't even damage him. When Goku first fought Hit he was completely stoic and didn't even take his hands out of his pockets, very similar to Jiren.

[CJStriker_CBR]

People calling jiren boring get outta here
Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku and don't act like his personality is any different from jiren

That is a good point and one that shows again it TAKES TIME for some characters to grown on you;

BUT Their is Another Lesson here, something else I want to add to this as well ~~~ Ones Own Self Perspective and Relativity.

I have found that as I Grow Older, Have more life experiences and adding to that one of my Hobbies in life is to read, watch and experience as much History, Real Life Knowledge, Comics, TV Shows, Animations, Stories and over all characters as I can get in life. When that happens I find myself going back and liking characters that not to long or even years ago I did not find interesting. This is why while good and progressive storytelling is important, it is the individual and how we evolve at the time and place of our existence that can determine who we start to like.

Everything is Relativity in may ways, especially as we change.

[Doctor.]

I think he may be slightly autistic.

Maybe not slightly.

[Michsi]

Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku

Yeah, and Jiren just had his fight with Goku and still isn't interesting or any different than before. That's the entire point on why they're not the same.

Hit had one thing going for him even before his fight, and that was a good character design. As shallow as it may seem, an intriguing appearance can go a long way in creating interest in a new character. Jiren's design doesn't seem to be scoring a lot of points with the audience.

[KayDash]

I think he is not boring, but currently underdeveloped as a character. Hit also started out like this, so I doubt that Jiren will stay like this until the end of the tournament.

[precita]

I don't think we can really accurately judge Jiren till this arc ends. It feels still too early and we barely know anything about him.

[Krillin1994]

love him so far. all the people who said hes boring have no sense of good charecters. they think if you are silent then you must be boring. jiren lack of speech is what makes him so cool

So what makes Jiren a "good character"? How does Jiren satisfy the hallmarks of a good character?

How would you describe Jiren's personality? Well, he has none. Enjoys a good fight as he let Goku charge spirit bomb, also helped dyspo against Maji so cares about his teammates

How would you describe Jiren's motivations? Haven't seen them yet He wants to live and get the super dragonballs

How would you describe Jiren's hallmark features? He's strong... that's about it. Doesn't have any unique gimmicks or fighting techniques either.

How would you describe Jiren's backstory or anything relevant to his character other than being told he's strong? Well, there's still nothing else there. we could discover this by what he wishes for/wants to wish for, he's also a pride trooper a group of super heroes who look after their universe

He really is like Broly. He's cool to look at it because of how strong he is but underneath that there's literally no character there at all.


Now let's compare that to another stoic character, Hit.

How would you describe Hit's personality? Stoic, experienced, enjoys a good fight, shows some compassionate emotion towards Goku as well as towards his U6 teammates. He's intimidating not because we're told he's intimidating, not because he just stands there and says shitty one liners, but because there's an air of mystery around him and his abilities as well as his backstory of being a 1000 year old assassin.

How would you describe Hit's motivations? Well, a bit murky I guess. He obviously wants to live which means keeping his universe alive. He wanted Champa's cube to fly to different universes, although the question still remains as to why.

How would you describe Hit's hallmark features? His unique time stopping abilities and the mystery of how Hit is so powerful/what is his secret ability during the U6 arc made him a very interesting antagonist. He's a deadly assassin and we're not only told that but we're shown it too.

How would you describe Hit's backstory or anything relevant to his character other than being told he's strong? He's 1000 years old and again, he's an assassin. The best assassin in the entire universe in fact. There's an air of mystery around him but you at least know what he does and why he's so strong and so dangerous with his abilities instead of taking the Jiren approach which is just "He's strong because we're telling you he's strong" because otherwise there's nothing unique or interesting about the way Jiren fights.



So it has nothing to do with finding silent characters boring, it's just that Jiren isn't written as a good character, silent or not. He's just written as an obstacle for Goku to overcome rather than an enemy for Goku to overcome.

Unlike so others that seem Not to want to Give New Characters time to Develop ~~~~ I am More Open Minded on this Subject and while I can make a joke about Jiren not having much of a personality for fun;

I WILL Give him a Chance to Develop his Character. That is the Right and Justifiable thing to, it will take many more episodes to do that, BUT I and We all Gave all the Other characters Hundreds of Episodes to Develop to grow on us!

He has an interesting start to him, but more is needed to say the least.

It is only Right and Honorable to do the Same for Jiren and ANY OTHER new Character that comes along!

What character took you hundreds of episodes before they grew on you? Every major antagonist in Z grew on me almost instantly. Beerus and Whis grew on me instantly. Black grew on me instantly. This was the time when Jiren's character should have started to develop. This was the chance that was given to him. Hit was as boring as Jiren was when the U6 arc first started, but then after he started fighting he grew more and more interesting and started to talk more. Jiren still hasn't done that yet after fighting Goku. If they haven't given him any character now or anything unique about him then they probably never will.

applied some of the 'huge' personality traits which Hit has to Jiren.

[wolflonnie]

People calling jiren boring get outta here
Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku and don't act like his personality is any different from jiren

That is a good point and one that shows again it TAKES TIME for some characters to grown on you;

BUT Their is Another Lesson here, something else I want to add to this as well ~~~ Ones Own Self Perspective and Relativity.

I have found that as I Grow Older, Have more life experiences and adding to that one of my Hobbies in life is to read, watch and experience as much History, Real Life Knowledge, Comics, TV Shows, Animations, Stories and over all characters as I can get in life. When that happens I find myself going back and liking characters that not to long or even years ago I did not find interesting. This is why while good and progressive storytelling is important, it is the individual and how we evolve at the time and place of our existence that can determine who we start to like.

Everything is Relativity in may ways, especially as we change.

I support this line of thought.
Of course there are characters immediately interesting, and good for them, but others shouldn't be penalized if they need time to develop. Actually, the development sometimes pays off MORE than the characters that are already interesting, since we explore their growth and we even admire that growth.
Heck, it has happened to me with Krillin, Roshi and even Vegeta... well until he regressed in this ark but whatever. I never really liked any of those before.
But apparently people can't even wait no, better serve the dish asap. So damn sad.

[CJStriker_CBR]

People calling jiren boring get outta here
Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku and don't act like his personality is any different from jiren

That is a good point and one that shows again it TAKES TIME for some characters to grown on you;

BUT Their is Another Lesson here, something else I want to add to this as well ~~~ Ones Own Self Perspective and Relativity.

I have found that as I Grow Older, Have more life experiences and adding to that one of my Hobbies in life is to read, watch and experience as much History, Real Life Knowledge, Comics, TV Shows, Animations, Stories and over all characters as I can get in life. When that happens I find myself going back and liking characters that not to long or even years ago I did not find interesting. This is why while good and progressive storytelling is important, it is the individual and how we evolve at the time and place of our existence that can determine who we start to like.

Everything is Relativity in may ways, especially as we change.

I support this line of thought.
Of course there are characters immediately interesting, and good for them, but others shouldn't be penalized if they need time to develop. Actually, the development sometimes pays off MORE than the characters that are already interesting, since we explore their growth and we even admire that growth.
Heck, it has happened to me with Krillin, Roshi and even Vegeta... well until he regressed in this ark but whatever. I never really liked any of those before.
But apparently people can't even wait no, better serve the dish asap. So damn sad.

Well Said and Thank You for Agree on my points Wolflonnie and nice to meet you.

That is the life lesson I learned, their is no 1 way to like a character or 1 Timetable in doing it. It happen for all different reasons and all different idealism. But I feel as fans we have become to quick to judge cause we are under pressure to have a judgement right away to form an opinion. Now if that how you live and like it ok, but it holds you back in what could be possible developments to a character that has not finished with their story yet. It is like walking out of a movie with barely the 1st act done and judging all of it without seeing the rest IMO.

If a Character is liked right away that is great, more power to them, but You also want to have more story to back them up. We where in a age before the net when we saw Dragon Ball on Toonami or VHS or DVD before the net was even a major thing and did we make fast judgement then too.........Maybe.......but I am sure most of those changed when we saw more and more of the show. Leaving the original judgement behind for more informed ones. This is how it worked in the past, this is how it should by a degree work today too.

It is the honoring of the Storytelling and it is honoring the ideals that you change as time goes on as well.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I think he is not boring, but currently underdeveloped as a character. Hit also started out like this, so I doubt that Jiren will stay like this until the end of the tournament.

Yeah they teased this with Toppo when he said something about Jiren getting his wish fulfilled. Hopefully someone asks him what he is fighting for soon, or maybe in the rematch we'll get some backstory.

[fadeddreams5]

People comparing Jiren to Broly must have either skipped the 1st Broly movie or just have a horrible bias against the character, which is actually very common in this fandom. Broly has an awesome design in all of his forms, is connected to the lore of the series, and has a sadistic personality unlike anything seen before in the franchise. Forget the 2nd and 3rd films for a second. Sure, his backstory is nonsensical, but there's more to this character than a bland grey alien who does nothing but stand silently.

Hit wasn't interesting until his fight with goku and don't act like his personality is any different from jiren

Hit was basically Pikkon, and Jiren is basically Hit. That's exactly the problem: the level of unoriginality in Jiren's character is astonishing.

Hit, however, had four things going for him: a) an awesome design. b) the status of the greatest assassin/mercenary in his universe. c) the ability to stop time and other original abilities. d) the mystery of other techniques he couldn't showcase due to tournament rules. There's substance to Hit and a lot you can do with this character. Jiren is like Kenshiro if Kenshiro had no catchphrases and only used one "ta."

[perucho1990]

He is the type of antagonist that will be heavily trolled and defeated by big time PIS.

It will be truly hilarious if by the end of the Main Event, he gets dmgd by the likes of Caulifla and Kale, its Toei we are talking about, they are going to destroy the Hakaishin level hype.

[Torturephile]

People comparing Jiren to Broly must have either skipped the 1st Broly movie or just have a horrible bias against the character, which is actually very common in this fandom. Broly has an awesome design in all of his forms, is connected to the lore of the series, and has a sadistic personality unlike anything seen before in the franchise. Forget the 2nd and 3rd films for a second. Sure, his backstory is nonsensical, but there's more to this character than a bland grey alien who does nothing but stand silently.

Thank you, I wanted to mention that for a while. They also seem to forget Broly had lines in his first movie and wasn't chanting "Kakarot!" like an idiot like in his second one. Let's not forget that Broly also had an unique moveset.

[Chuquita]

Jiren wants the super dragon balls to wish for a personality.

But seriously, I think we'll learn more about Jiren's backstory and motivation at the end of the arc. That's poor planning though, imo. That sort of info should really have been dropped back during the recruiting part so we'd have reason to care about him beyond oh he's strong.

[Asura]

Enjoys a good fight as he let Goku charge spirit bomb, also helped dyspo against Maji so cares about his teammates

I wouldn't really say that's an example of him enjoying a good fight. He looks like the type who doesn't enjoy anything, like someone's eternally shit in his morning coffee. Also it doesn't seem like he cares about his teammates given he and Toppo were willing to sacrifice 5 of the pride troopers and didn't even bother to intervene when Dyspo started getting his ass kicked by Hit.

He wants to live and get the super dragonballs

Not a very exciting motivation and it doesn't tell us anything about his character, but in all fairness Hit doesn't have one either aside from wanting to live.

we could discover this by what he wishes for/wants to wish for, he's also a pride trooper a group of super heroes who look after their universe

Sure, there's still the mystery of what he wants to wish for, but being part of the pride troopers doesn't seem to define or enhance his character at all given he's nothing like the rest of the pride troopers, he just wears the uniform. I would care to find out why he's so different from all of them yet still in the pride troopers, but again I've pretty much lost interest in the character already and I barely care to know more about him if there's nothing even interesting or likeable to begin with.

Jiren wants the super dragon balls to wish for a personality.

LOL. I think I've found my first ever signature.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Honestly, I think Jiren works for his intended role.

We've never had a character that just doesn't have any elaborate schemes or ambitious goals, or even a major drive to do anything beyond what's necessary, and yet is such a big problem for our heroes. Jiren didn't even bother going after Goku until Belmod told him to.

This guy is less a superhero and more of a soldier who does things by necessity. He's no-nonsense and doesn't care about giving his life story or exchanging banter with his foes. He's there to ensure his Universe's survival when his power is needed. We even see that Goku becomes as stoic and quiet warrior when he attains the Ultra Instinct and finally starts to fight more evenly with Jiren.

[fadeddreams5]

Jiren wants the super dragon balls to wish for a personality.

Cause not even the regular dragon balls can make that happen.

[Lord Frieza]

Jiren reminds me of a Spiderman villain from way back, the guy poped up out of nowhere wanting to feed on Peter because he was the totam for the spider. Not the deepest of motivastions and his origin was completely unkown. Morlun I think his name was.



Spidey was terrified of him.

"I hit him as hard as I can, he keeps coming. I hit him with everything I can find, he keeps coming. I hit him with everything I've got and he just keeps coming!"

"He keeps coming...silent, so silent. I find myself almost wishing he would taunt me... That he would say something, anything... because vanity is weakness and right now... I dont see any other weaknesses."

"He dosen't get tired... Only gets stronger as he goes... But he knows I'm exhausted... And dame him, he knows exactly what it takes to pull me in again!"


Jiren is any beings worst nightmare. He's not a demon king bent on world dominastion, he not an overly confident saiyan, he's not a sadistic emperor who has spent to long sitting on his laurels, he's not a mad scientist, he's not a conceited android, he not a blood thirsty killer, he's not a chaotic destroyer, not a giant monster, not a vengence seeking tuffle, a bored God of Destruction, a mad God of Creation or even honorable warrior who just happens to be on the oppasite side.

He's an uncareing, unreactive force who's power, skill and awairness utterly suppasses your own with no weaknessess and he's one goal is your defeat. He is in a way the embodyment not only of power but also the greatest fear of all liveing things, he is totally alien and detached from everything you have ever faced befor, he is the unknown. And the worst part... even when you have tapped into a new power, when others looked at you the same way they did him, when your burning brighter then you ever have befor.....he's not afraid, he's not in awe, hell he dosen't even seem all that impressed. All he's got to say to you after all that is that your "intreasting".

Thats why I like Jiren so far.

[jplaya2023]

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